Red_Man said:So first off this isn't suppose to be a religion vs atheism or anything like that thread, I was just re-watching Bil Maher's documentary Religulous, and he brings up the point about how there are a variety of different diety stories that are either exactly the same, or very similar to the Jesus Christ story, that came before the Jesus story. I was wondering if anyone knows more about this? Also I'm curious how the church reconciles this point.
Tkawsome said:I'm curious too. I thought the Beast was the one to reign for 1000 years. It's been a while since I read Revelations though.
bengraven said:The Church rarely reconciles anything.
"God's will".
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Count Dookkake said:god's will = god swill
MrHicks said:gilgamesh story exactly how did i forget
do most christians just not know this stuff or what???
boggles the mind
I know you're joking, but it's worth mentioning that biblical criticism is not inherently at odds with religion.Teh Hamburglar said:I find your post threatening to my world view and choose to ignore it.
I like how the well-sourced Wikipedia article contradicts the unsourced nonsense article you posted right below it.ymmv said:
I can't compare yet, but if true, one of the comments is some icing: "Concise and scholarly as always, Willie. I love your work."Qwomo said:I like how the well-sourced Wikipedia article contradicts the unsourced nonsense article you posted right below it.
DECK'ARD said:From that chart it looks like Jesus is a compendium of all other ones.
Like a final boss with all their attacks.
Sacrifice in fiction is powerful and good storytelling. Usually doesn't have to to with religion. Sometimes it's to protect the world if they have super powers. Being directly effected by sacrifice is powerful. The Martyr complex is psychological need for your own sake is it not? The video was insulting Jesus's sacrifice and people watching and retelling not other people who do it and then get defined as having a martyr complex.jaxword said:I think it's a sign of the changing attitudes towards religion and the martyr complex that is increasing. You've seen this, an example would be claiming persecution at the slightest dissent from the religious belief, regardless if it's related to the debate.
Because those beliefs affect others.ReBurn said:What I don't get is why people get so upset over what other people believe in the first place. Many people are looking for something larger than themselves to believe in and they find comfort and community in churches. Sure, it's easy to reason away what someone else believes, but what good does that do?
Because people's beliefs affect others.ReBurn said:What I don't get is why people get so upset over what other people believe in the first place. Many people are looking for something larger than themselves to believe in and they find comfort and community in churches. Sure, it's easy to reason away what someone else believes, but what good does that do?
Lucky Forward said:
I think the better question for this thread is who the historical Jesus really was.Kalnos said:There are a ton but I think they're talking about Horus.
As to how the church reconciles the point... probably just try to point to historic proof that Jesus actually existed (though that's sketchy in and of itself).
Tron 2.0 said:Because people's beliefs affect others.
I don't care if someone believes in a magical man from the sky, but I do care that they think that gives them a right to dictate my life.
DeathIsTheEnd said:Because those beliefs can affect others.
And as others have said, an awful lot of the 'Jesus is just like other Gods' is wrong.
Yes. That's probably a better way of putting it.Red_Man said:Or be bigoted towards others life choices.
I don't know how it possibly couldn't, but to varying degrees.Air said:Fixed. I understand what you mean, and generally agree though, but I don't think it will always affect others.
Thank you for spotting that.Air said:Fixed. I understand what you mean, and generally agree though, but I don't think it will always affect others.
Pastry said:I think the better question for this thread is who the historical Jesus really was.
Tron 2.0 said:Yes. That's probably a better way of putting it.
I don't know how it possibly couldn't, but to varying degrees.
cheststrongwell said:I like how that chart says Jesus was born on Dec. 25th. Lol.
Meus Renaissance said:Or you can take it as the date his birth is celebrated on. The fact that it is celebrated during a period which historically was used to celebrate a pagan solstice probably adds to the intrigue.
You must really hate politicians that you didn't vote for.Tron 2.0 said:Because people's beliefs affect others.
I don't care if someone believes in a magical man from the sky, but I do care that they think that gives them a right to dictate my life.
What? How does it "add to the intrigue"?Meus Renaissance said:Or you can take it as the date his birth is celebrated on. The fact that it is celebrated during a period which historically was used to celebrate a pagan solstice probably adds to the intrigue into the origins of Christian customs.
Lunchbox said:he was a white man with blue eyes and golden locks from kansas
the paintings says so!
AlexMogil said:Buddha died on a cross?
God I would love for them to find irrefutable historical evidence of this.. for the epic meltdowns and lulz.DECK'ARD said:I think Jesus was a talented gay street magician, who got a lot of shit off people and tried to educate them, and had a dislike of authority.
jdogmoney said:I wonder why the wall of text Christians never post in threads like these.
I genuinely hate very few people, but is it frustrating for me when someone votes against gay marriage because Jesus told them to? Yes. Yes it is.ReBurn said:You must really hate politicians that you didn't vote for.
Because like many other things about the Jesus myth it was co-opted from another belief system and grafted onto Christianity.Qwomo said:What? How does it "add to the intrigue"?
Alpha-Bromega said:is where and by what means he died really relevant?
jdogmoney said:I wonder why the wall of text Christians never post in threads like these.
I don't know about that but what it does do is make it easier to sell to a populous, tell them to celebrate the same way the same point of the year but to a different God and it will be a easier conversion.Qwomo said:What? How does it "add to the intrigue"?
Tron 2.0 said:I genuinely hate very few people, but is it frustrating for me when someone votes against gay marriage because Jesus told them to? Yes. Yes it is.
Because like many other things about the Jesus myth it was co-opted from another belief system and grafted onto Christianity.
If you think evidence of syncretism in Christianity debases the religion as a whole, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what religion is.Tron 2.0 said:Because like many other things about the Jesus myth it was co-opted from another belief system and grafted onto Christianity.
Some of those other people want to uphold their own bigotry by force of law and teach mythology in science class. I won't stand for any of that.ReBurn said:What I don't get is why people get so upset over what other people believe in the first place. Many people are looking for something larger than themselves to believe in and they find comfort and community in churches. Sure, it's easy to reason away what someone else believes, but what good does that do?
My wife makes that mistake all the time.AlexMogil said:Additionally not a single deity was marked by heralding of angles. That chart is wrong.
I would say a manger would have some pretty interesting angles, though.
Qwomo said:If you think evidence of syncretism in Christianity debases the religion as a whole, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what religion is.
This is what I was thinking. The teachings of Jesus never condemned homosexuality. They did condemn hypocrisy. And people who make blanket judgments of Christians and their beliefs because they believe that all Christians are trying to judge them are full of the latter. Maybe that's what really ticks them off.MC Safety said:I believe the anti-homosexuality parts of the Bible appear in Deuteronomy, not the New Testament. But I am years away from the biblical and classical literature course I took in college.
Some is the operative word. Some atheists are just as far off of their rockers, too.Orayn said:Some of those other people want to uphold their own bigotry by force of law and teach mythology in science class. I won't stand for any of that.