Thats what i think, more than 60-70$ would be crazy talking.
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Reggie: Wii U becomes profitable with just 1 game purchase
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Thats what i think, more than 60-70$ would be crazy talking.
Hard numbers? I'm curious as to how much profit they're going to make off those stand alone gamepads they're going to sell in Japan if the actual pad isn't the thing driving up the price.
SolarPowered
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Amazing that they are actually losing so much money on this thing. The streaming tech is serious, but still...
Hey, that sounds like a reasonable reaction to this news...
Shouldn't it be itprintsIOUs.gif?
Teletraan1
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I am glad we live in a time when power consumption and manufacturer profitability is more important than the product we end up with.
Since when was a Nintendo console about third party publishers?
Silver_DNA
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Soooo, since we're all complaining about the Wii U having low numbers and fewer gigaflops and, I guess, less Pikmin (meaning it's like a Raditz) I I thought I'd throw out some useless anecdotes.
My parents want a Wii U. My parents aren't like the other anecdotal parents I hear about since they have a Wii and play it pretty much every day. And now they want a Wii U. And they will buy at least 5 games for the thing when they get one, and probably more later.
So my parents will be responsible for some of Nintendo's impending profits eventually.
My parents want a Wii U. My parents aren't like the other anecdotal parents I hear about since they have a Wii and play it pretty much every day. And now they want a Wii U. And they will buy at least 5 games for the thing when they get one, and probably more later.
So my parents will be responsible for some of Nintendo's impending profits eventually.
DJ Crimson
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Wii U?
DICKS AHOY
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Not since the SNES days, but leading up to release Nintendo pretty blatantly wanted people to think things regarding 3rd parties had changed with the Wii U.
iamshadowlark
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I wonder how much it would be without the gamepad?
KojiKnight
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I'm glad we still live in the 90's where mass over consumption by consumers trump worries about the environment or where products they'll want tomorrow will come from.
See I can hyperbole too~
GiantEnemyGoomba
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My guess would be $249 for Basic and $299 for Deluxe.
Dreamwriter
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Yeah, that's why Nintendo isn't selling them yet, and when they do they will charge ¥13,400 (probably $150 US when sold here), because they are so cheap and easy to make
First off, the thing's got a custom Broadcom chip in it using new technology designed specifically for the Wii U. Second, it's got *more* in it than a $200 iPod Touch, with a larger screen. And third, hardware costs always include their research and development, which is one of the biggest reasons they make more money over time, because they eventually pay that off. And the Wii U Gamepad had one hell of an expensive R&D, because of the need to get the latency down to under one frame, and keep the latency of the controller's camera under 2 frames.
I don't own a Wii U, but I do own a Wii and a 3DS. I don't usually buy anything from Nintendo's download stores because I don't like the fact content is tied to hardware. So I'm a bit bewildered at the Nintendo Network shenanigans going on right now.
Dreamwriter
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Why don't you like that? The fact that you can never lose your purchases means it doesn't matter. Unless I guess you want to give games you download to your friends' consoles...
iamshadowlark
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Yeah, that's why Nintendo isn't selling them yet, and when they do they will charge ¥13,400 (probably $150 US when sold here), because they are so cheap and easy to make
What do you mean by *more*? There's hardly any tech in there besides the streamer chip. Theres about 4-5x the power in a $150 Kindle Fire. The gamepad looks pretty cheaply made honestly. The screen is resistive of all things and not that good of a quality.
You can get a 7inch android tablet for that price also
Good Job Bob
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Incompetence.
MightyHedgehog
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Makes sense that they'd plan for immediate profit as gaming is their only real income as opposed to the other two who can soak up billions of losses for years thanks to their other profitable businesses. Ninty's nothing if not shrewd.
Bleh, I actually like the idea of the tablet gamepad. I would have liked for them to either
A. Spend an extra 30-50 bucks on more advanced chips (which can buy a LOT in a console)
B. Spend a bit less per unit but instead target a TDP of 80 watts. That is still very efficient for an advanced home game console and would place it a very nice step ahead of the current gen, though it would mean a slightly larger console and fan. Again, over time this can be reduced. Though, it seems that since the gamecube days Nintendo doesn't do any die shrinks for their systems.
That tablet is bad though (the post is from 2010)
For 129€ here you can buy now:
7"1024x600 IPS capacitive+ 1GBRAM + Dual Core Cortex A9 1,6 GHz + GPU: Quad Core ARM Mali-400 + 8GB flash + wifin + hdmi + 4100mah .... Android tablets.
So yeah, i dont think that cheap screen and a streaming chip makes the gamepad crazy expensive.
Teletraan1
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Dead world in 2 years if they went with a 125w system and people didn't have to put up with sup par games. Maximum Hyperbole.
Exactly.
We are in 2012.
A cheap LCD screen with all the features in the GamePad is not expensive.
You honestly think that you can compare a Gamepad with a tablet ( nexus or ipad ? ).
The GamePad is only used to receive the WiiU stream. It won't work by itself
( Example : store the current game in his ROm or anything else, lauch game or app without the WiiU ).
70$ max for a gamepad.
That's Right.
Nintendo has concentrated his efforts to lower as much as possible the wiiU cost.
Nintendo is well known for being an environmentally responsible company.
Are you joking? My hardware breaking/being stolen means I lost access to all the content on my account unless I send in that specific hardware in for repair. Hell, Nintendo don't even guarantee being able to save all the data/online info on your Wii/3DS when you send it in for repair. How the hell is that more convenient than having the content tied to an account, where I can simply get another piece of hardware and be on my merry way?
MoonLightWave
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Show me the receipts Nintendo!
goldenpp72
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How is it that the company that made the Gamecube which beat the crap out of the ps2/DC and cost 200 bucks only a year or two later, and broke even or profited, unable to make a system released 7 years later at 350 bucks only the same power level and sold at a loss. It really boggles my mind, I understand inflation and the exchange rate issue, but come on.
Graphics Horse
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I'd think the pad would cost them at least as much to manufacture as a DSi, however much that is.
WrenchNinja
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It doesnt matter? What doesnt matter?
DR2K
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R&D isn't free.
I for one am shocked by this news. Shocked.
iamshadowlark
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R&D isn't in this equation. He's talking profit per unit sold.
Dreamwriter
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Oh, so the only reason you hate it is because it's inconvenient, because you have to send your broken thing into Nintendo. Oh darn. You would be rather rich or lazy or ignorant to just buy another piece of hardware rather than sending the broken one in - even discounting the fact that Nintendo will restore all of your purchases on the replacement device (and can always do so regardless of the condition of the device, since they *do* have an account with all your purchases on it), they will charge FAR less than retail even if you are out of warranty. For example, at launch, the Wii's out-of-warranty replacement cost from Nintendo was $75 (I know this because my launch Wii had issues with its DVD drive and I had to replace it, and the invoice had the price, which was then canceled out due to warranty).
What about those who lose their console (broken, stolen, etc...) before they work this issue?
That GP report is completely misleading.
If the console breaks, they can send it back to Nintendo, they have the ''If you ask nicely, we'll do it for free'' policy. Even if it got stolen I'm sure something could be worked out with the CS at Nintendo. I'm confident the issue will be addressed very soon.
When my Wii had problems reading discs three years ago they fixed it for free, and I didn't even needed any proof of purchase. If that's not impeccable customer service then I ask you what is. So yeah, I trust them.
:lol
Tye're fucked and will have to buy a new console again, at double the price because incompetent and greedy Nintendo. Disgusting company.
Dreamwriter
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And R&D is always figured into that. Do you really think a PS3's BOM was over $700 at launch? Kinect was sold at a loss for $150, do you think it cost $150 for an IR light behind a filter, a low-res visual camera and a low-res IR camera (remember that Kinect was originally going to have a CPU in it, but they dropped that)? Companies always include development costs when they make these statements, the way they figure it out is kinda like credit card interest, where the dev cost is considered a large part of the device cost at first, and over time they lower and lower it until they've decided that the development cost has been paid off. Which is one of the big reasons devices get cheaper to manufacture over time.
greenpeace gives them a low score because they don't want to share informations with them, and that's it.
read here
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/csr/en/q_and_a/qa5.html
and here
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/csr/en/report2012/08/index.html
and you'll find out that nintendo is not the enviromental monster GP wants you to think it is.
Graphics Horse
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Aren't you talking about production costs, setting up production lines etc? R&D costs are written off way before that, they weren't telling investors that the 3DS wasn't yet profitable because of paying back some imaginary loan over the years.
I mean, you're saying that Reggie's statement means that they've already paid off the R&D budget on the first days of U.S. sales?? He'd have no way of knowing how profitable it will be for a while when you include the last few years of dev costs.
Prior to the release of the GameCube, it was mocked by some for its specs. having less main ram than the ps2 and the official "6 to 12 million polygons a second" ( vs 66 and 80 odd million for Xbox and playstation 2). Gamecube ports from playstation 2 were usually shitty and inferior.
Yet the games built specifically for it shined bright. Rogue leader , fzero gx , re4 revealed a very capable console.