Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I don't know how anyone could get that impression.
Rick has ruined countless lives, realities and planets. He's an amoral sociopath.
Yeah but he is cool. Pickle Rick!
I don't know how anyone could get that impression.
Rick has ruined countless lives, realities and planets. He's an amoral sociopath.
Jerry - "Now you're gonna help me, right?"
Morty - "She just did."
Summer - "Yeah, clean up your own mess."
It's what the doctor said in Pickle Rick. Him taking the universe for a ride is him being the master of his own universe, and waiting for it to throw him off is his brain rotting by his own hand.
The show doesn't exactly say anything that contradicts Rick though.
In that very same episode Rick and Beth reject the one person who's smart enough to actually be able to try to help not oly them but also Rick and Summer. This is while they were ignoring what was pretty much cries for help that both of his grandkids were giving.Yeah but he is cool. Pickle Rick!
I don't know how anyone would want to be like Rick unless they didn't give more than half a second of thought to the show.
Rick is a power fantasy through and through. I think it's impossible to deny that actually. He's an unstoppable nigh invincible impossibly smart ubermench, who destroys whatever annoys him without impunity. Sure he's toxic, vulgar, abrasive and depressed, but so are most action heroes.
But most importantly? He's always right. Always. Even when he fucks up and makes things worse, it's for comedic value, and the universe of the show quickly warps to make whatever he messed up completely justified. Any and all misery he suffers is only a temporary stopgap. The show offers no meaningful counterpoint to anything Rick stands for outside of Jerry, and Jerry is a spineless small minded hypocritical dipshit who cowtowed to the aliens when Rick sacrificed himself.
Now, thinking about all this, do you really think the show would stop dead in its tracks to have this character deliver a spiel about his worldview without any counterpoint, and expect your takeaway to be "Rick is totally wrong"? Why? He's not wrong about anything else. How was this speech anymore toxic than Morty's "nothing matters, go watch tv" from interdimensional cable?
"this guy is a total piece of shit, like me! but he gets way with everything because he's so smart and his nihilistic world view is because he's smart, therefore i am smart! and just like Rick im justified on my terrible choices, because im smart! PICKLE RICK!"
Basically this is their train of thought.
Sociopaths often think they are the smartest people in the room, and are devoted solely to there own needs and pleasures, without empathy. Rick's speech is consistent with his characterization, and I don't read anything more into it than that.
Rick's family is completely fucked up in multiple universes, by his own doing. He abandoned a Beth, Jerry and Summer with a world full of monsters. His own grandson wants to kill him, so he has to wipe his memory to keep him docile. His daughter apparently is a sociopathic murder machine (animal surgery =? Animal mutilation plus the horrific hoof sculpture could have been hints to that).
Rick may be the smartest man in the universe, but he's a complete failure as a human being, and the show is quite clear on that. Edgelords that worship Rick as an ideal clearly lack the critical thinking skills to pick up on that.
Yes, but unless I am blocking something from my memory, the show so far has been smart enough to either show that as a consequence of the sci-fi concepts, especially multiverse travel, which does not bridge directly into our world, or as a consequence of Rick being a drunk idiot, or just as a simple joke in a cartoon.
To me one of the fun aspects of the show is precisely how it plays on ethics in absurd contexts in a way that we can't judge if Rick is good or evil because his enviroment is entirely other. A lot of "wrong" things do become meaningless in the specific context of "what about the universe where Hitler cures cancer?" but you obviously can't apply that to the real world and so it become a fun intellectual ride in a fun intelligent show.
I think what bothers me about Rick's speech in this episode is that is completely lacked anything that is either fun or intelligent. And when you are talking about how it is ok to try to murder people because it is all bullshit anyway, it doesn't come across as a tragic realization (like when Morty does the "let's go watch TV" speech) or as an over the top joke (like Rick's rant in the end of episode 1 of this season), it felt teenager in a way the show has avoided so far.
Yes, admitting, but not learning. He's in total control of this. The actual revelation comes from Beth, who realizes that her indictments of her father are toothless and impotent (because every indictment of Rick's character is toothless and impotent) and that his way of doing things is best. And it's only after this revelation that Beth earns the right to spend some time with her father. That's the lesson of this episode, and most of the series; Rick may be a shitty person, but he's right. Always right.
Rick's speech at the end was not something to be disagreed with. Rick & Morty very much subscribes to the notion that the universe is inherently meaningless, chaotic, and unfeeling. Only you as the individual have the power to make your own meaning. Rick realizes this, and as such is an ideal.
Again, Morty said this exact same thing to Summer at the end of Interdimensional Cable. Why is Rick saying it supposed to be bad?
With the format and the freedom the universe gives them the show can keep going until they run out of ideasthey can kinda end the series after the finale at this rate lol
i hope this show goes on for a long time though
Nine more seasons until Rick gets that sauce.they can kinda end the series after the finale at this rate lol
i hope this show goes on for a long time though
Jerry - "Now you're gonna help me, right?"
Morty - "She just did."
Summer - "Yeah, clean up your own mess."
That bit got me good. Otherwise probably my least favorite episode of the season on a first watch. Felt like we got two B plots rather than an A and a B.
There's no retconning going on.Not really on board with retconning Beth into a child murderer.
Nine more seasons until Rick gets that sauce.
Then and only then will he let the madness end.
Yep, that's what it looked like. The real Beth is probably out 'discovering herself' and when she comes back she'll want to reunite her entire family (including Jerry).
They will probably never reference it again and leave it up to the audience.
Not really on board with retconning Beth into a child murderer.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeh. I feel it'll be similar to Evil Morty. They won't bother referencing it again until they have a use for the plot point. Be it next season or after the next.
Maybe not.
But the show absolutely makes it clear that we should want to be like Rick.
It's the newest episode.Did I watch the same thing I can not find any info on this Rick speech. I only remember Morty's speech.
Not like it is being answered here anyways.
Did I watch the same thing I can not find any info on this Rick speech. I only remember Morty's speech.
Not like it is being answered here anyways.
I just dont get why people expect a real character arc from the show.
The show has made it clear that through memory erasing, clones and alternate universes none of the characters will ever learn anything from their experiences.
Hell we dont know if this is C137 Rick we see every episode.
It's the newest episode.
I think the Rick speech people are talking about comes from this episode, when he's talking to Beth about "being smart"? It didn't seem too far out of the ordinary for it to register for me that much, though.
I live in Taiwan maybe an episode behind here. Only seen episode six with the citadel, which is the only one here ATM.
So Beth totally left right?
They even go out of their way to tell us that a Beth clone and the real Beth are functionally identical.something I can't stand when people start speculating is when based on evidence that can be interpreted many ways they swear up and down based on absolutely nothing their interpretation is correct.
They even go out of their way to tell us that a Beth clone and the real Beth are functionally identical.
He actually had a non-vocal cameo in the memory episode proposing to morty.Still no poopybutthole in season 3
Only 1 episode left
Still no poopybutthole in season 3
Only 1 episode left
Maybe not.
But the show absolutely makes it clear that we should want to be like Rick.
Maybe not.
But the show absolutely makes it clear that we should want to be like Rick.
Maybe not.
But the show absolutely makes it clear that we should want to be like Rick.