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Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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Åesop
Unconfirmed Member
It doesn't matter if it's a timed exclusive or not.. Not supporting this bullshit, even if it ends up on PS4 1 year later.
Liquid-Swords
Member
By Holiday 2015 X1 might be $250 and I may buy one.
Uh it was mixed it with all of the 2015 games, they never said "hey this is multiplatform!". Like someone said earlier more than likely a contract had not been finalized yet hence Square never saying anything about platforms.
This entire concept is a bit biased towards Sony (and Nintendo, and Microsoft if anyone else wants to enter the market)
How is any competitor supposed to enter a market where the consumers treat the product like there is some entitlement simply because of brand history?
In a market where some of the best selling products by far are the ones that are from franchises that existed before you've entered it?
So now a huge swath of all of the available business partners aren't available to you for exclusive agreements because of some "I'm entitled because of history" concept consumers claim right to?
I get some of the complaints here; in general the practice just kind of sucks as a consumer. I own all of these devices and it bothers me as the Xbox One would be my last choice to play the game on.. but we aren't all entitled to game sequels on the devices we buy; and we also have no clue why these deals happen.
In an era of publishers shutting down, developers not getting paid, etc. you'd think we'd be more understanding as gamers of deals that get made that might help these companies out.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
It makes financial sense to alienate 70% of your fan base.....okay.
Cutting down dev costs, what are you talking about? PS4 and PC SKU's are most likely still in dev. MS simply gave SE money to push the other platform SKU's to a later date.
They didn't help SE with development from what I've read. They aren't publishing it either.
No matter where you go, tombraider forums, youtube, IGN, tumblr or neogaf you will see what gamers and TR fans think of this. Their message is clear.
Praise the Lorde
Banned
You'd be right.
Doug Heffernan
Member
That is quite an imagination you've got.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Really?
Can't just hope new writers and up-and-coming developers takeover the franchise instead of condemning thousands of people?
Captain Tuttle
Member
115 pages over Tomb Raider, who would have thought.
Was the latest one really good or something?
Was the latest one really good or something?
jediyoshi
Member
People like things you don't like. More at 12.
Stop.
It was fun to play, the story was balls, but playing with bow-only was fun as hell. I played on the 360 but would have fully expected the sequel to be playable on the PS4.
Metallix87
Member
REALLY smart move by Microsoft, seemingly dumb move by Square-Enix. I wonder how big the truck full of money was?
got the gaf award or something
Depending on how much Microsoft paid, it could be a really dumb move by Microsoft and a really smart move by Square Enix.
Prove it
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
It's not so much that TR2013 or TR in general isn't good, but buying exclusive rights to a series that arguably hasn't really been a killer app or a system seller since the PS1 is kind of.. strange, I'd say.
we will see once silent hill gets announced as a ps4 exclusive i guess
bananafactory
Banned
I agree with everything you said, I'm not trying to paint MS as the bad guy. In fact I don't blame them for trying to secure some big franchises as leverage to gain customers.
I just think it sucks in general when something that has gained a loyal following on a certain platform suddenly becomes unavailable to those consumers. I was pleasantly surprised how much I enjoyed TR after playing it on PS4, and looking forward to the sequel before learning of this.
I completely understand why the deal was made - I just don't like it. I also don't like how grossly Sony has been promoting Destiny as "BETTER ON PLAYSTATION". It all rubs me the wrong way.
Swarming101
Member
If wanting a game that has always been multiplat to remain multiplat is entitlement then everything and nothing is. You've dropped the bar so low the word no longer has any meaning. Congrats.
Also strange that it's taken less than 24 hours for the XB1 fanboys to so twist the terminology used to discuss gaming that it is now considered 'fanboyish' behaviour to want to play a game in a series that has always been multiplatform, yet wanting that game to only be available on one's own platform (namely, XB1) is not. Coincidental, hmm?
mangochutney
Member
Which suggests to me it is timed or will also come to at least PC.
If it is fully exclusive they would have no need to dodge questions from the press about their wording etc and could clearly say, yes it is fully exclusive to Xbox.
ArkkAngel007
Member
I wouldn't call it smart yet. We haven't even seen the game yet to have any clear indication on how much of an audience grabber that title would be.
For all we know, Microsoft wasted millions provided by unhappy investors. It's just too early to tell. Aside from Halo, Uncharted, and The Division, we don't know much of the 2015 holiday season lineups currently to make any calls.
Dragonborn
Member
It was well liked, yes.
Unknown Soldier
Member
This is an interesting new level of desperation from MS.
I enjoyed Tomb Raider (2013) quite a bit but if MS thinks I'm going to buy a Bone just for the sequel they are crazy.
I enjoyed Tomb Raider (2013) quite a bit but if MS thinks I'm going to buy a Bone just for the sequel they are crazy.
WonkyPanda
Member
A) Cutting down development costs at a macro level because of the money that's given to SE. It isn't rocket science. Think on that for a second.
B) You read that they didn't help with development? Great, and? Do you want MS to be hands on or off with the project? It doesn't matter regardless because I don't know what the point is here.
C) No matter where you go, people will spout off that anything that doesn't allow them to do what they want without spending more money is inherently "anti-consumer" and other fun words. Go through any thread with exclusives, it's always a fun time. Remember when FF13 went multiplat? People treated it as if SE had murdered their family and that they somehow owed something to Sony and the "fans."
D) Your alienation metric is interesting. Assuming you're using the DE sales, how does that take into account people who do own both consoles but chose the PS4 version? Additionally, how does that take into account people who will a) eventually be XB1 owners and b) people who will get an XB1 for the game itself?
Break down D for me and we can actually get somewhere with this.
Yes. People complaining that they're owed a game on their platform of choice is a sense of entitlement. I am not sure what you're attempting to point out. If you don't see the vitriol of the matter in this, I don't know what to say. Read a dictionary?
Secondly, I don't care if more or less people are able to play the game. What I do care is that companies are given the ability to work within their right to actually broker and calculate the deals that they wish to do. I've owned every PS system, Nintendo system (sans the micro), and Xbox system to date. I'm not here to choose sides. Nor, do I care if a game goes to one side, multi platform, or eventually goes iOS. It isn't my call to make. My call as the consumer is to vote with my wallet, which establishes the precedent for these companies to make decisions. Lambasting S-E or MS for brokering a deal, without knowing more, is ludicrous.
boredandlazy
Member
If it does, then it depends on how that came about as to whether the situation deserves the same level of ire.
Sola Scriptura
Member
There really shouldn't be any speculation about this at all. It clearly is a timed exclusive. We all know how well Titanfall's exclusivity turned out. Square-Enix completely foregoing sales on the highest-selling next-gen console not only in North America, but especially in Europe? Not. A. Chance.
Smart? Right... How's Titanfall doing in moving those consoles..? That was supposed to be a bigger game than even Tomb Raider.
Why are people expecting it to be exclusive? The teaser is just a more interesting way of revealing a game instead of just announcing it. Its no different when the manufactures have an exclusive marketing deal honestly.
Metallix87
Member
I don't think there's any way that Microsoft lost on this transaction. Even if it's only timed exclusive for 6 - 12 months, that's still a HUGE title for Microsoft to secure.
Are you saying that was a mistake? Titanfall sold well, and definitely helped the system out.
Thats what i thought aswell. TR 2013 wasnt bad by no means but it isnt a killer app.
I thought if MS buys a third party exclusive it will be something like Mass effect 4 or fallout 4.
MrCookiepants
Member
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
I'm pretty sure it's
1. On fundamental level / principles primarily
2. TR
E did really well on PS4 (game drought aside) even pushing 2:1 PS4:XB13. TR has always been a PS (& PC) franchise.
4. Also, almost all of the lastest TR games have been multi, have they not?
Maybe this is the real reason Lara is in therapy.
This post only gives more credit to the rumor that you are a martian.
This post only gives more credit to the rumor that you are a martian.
Duxxy3
Member
If it ensures that they make a profit on the game, why would it be a dumb move?
Helped the system out? Yes. Helped the system as much as they wanted? No..
I see that as less likely, if we didn't get an entire generation of Lightning, I'd be more optimistic.
But I'll admit that I'm being over-dramatic..Just getting tired of seeing SE self-destructing and want it to be over.
MS at the time of the E3 conference was treating the game as a multiplatform game.
So they came up with a deal in the last two months and PS4/PC were in development before July/August
boredandlazy
Member
I liked it a lot. The characterisation was a bit shit, but the game was fun.
Chobel
Member
Why does the thread title say timed exclusive when Darrell Gallagher seems pretty clear about it being Xbox Exclusive.
Until someone actually says otherwise it should be assumed to be exclusive.
It's a good move for MS, Sony or anyone would do the same if they have half a brain and the money. Exclusives are the only thing that really separates the systems in my view (hardware is nice but in the long run not that important, I drop $600 for games not a pretty box with nothing on it).
From the OP:
Until someone actually says otherwise it should be assumed to be exclusive.
It's a good move for MS, Sony or anyone would do the same if they have half a brain and the money. Exclusives are the only thing that really separates the systems in my view (hardware is nice but in the long run not that important, I drop $600 for games not a pretty box with nothing on it).
From the OP:
I was going to wait for the PS+ sale for it anyway if it had come to PS4, so I guess I’m part of the problem S-E wanted to avoid.
If it’s timed I’ll buy it eventually. If it’s a permanent exclusive, oh well. Plenty of other games to play. Considering my back log, Microsoft might have just done me a favor
If it’s timed I’ll buy it eventually. If it’s a permanent exclusive, oh well. Plenty of other games to play. Considering my back log, Microsoft might have just done me a favor
Metallix87
Member
Never a good idea to hurt part of your fan base for profit.
I don't think that matters much. It was a win-win for both Microsoft and EA.
if they had just announced this as an exclusive back at E3 when they unveiled the game I think the actual backlash wouldn't be as bad.
there would still be backlash of course but at least they wouldn't have been cagey about what platforms this will be released on.
the fact of the matter is, intentional or not, people were mislead into thinking this game would be multi-platform
there would still be backlash of course but at least they wouldn't have been cagey about what platforms this will be released on.
the fact of the matter is, intentional or not, people were mislead into thinking this game would be multi-platform
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Just struck me that they are trying to avoid directly competing with Uncharted, which lets face it, should do extremely well considering the momentum ND have gained with TLOU.
Most likely its a timed exclusive with an option open for full exclusivity down the line, hence the very specific wording used when talking about the situation.
Either way, the fact that MS are resorting to buying an exclusive for holiday 2015 doesn't fill me with confidence for the rest of their line-up in that period.
Most likely its a timed exclusive with an option open for full exclusivity down the line, hence the very specific wording used when talking about the situation.
Either way, the fact that MS are resorting to buying an exclusive for holiday 2015 doesn't fill me with confidence for the rest of their line-up in that period.