It matters when your complaining about cookie cutter characters. It's potato, potato. The difference is the quality of the actors.Just because something is familiar doesn't make it bad. Also it's still a lot more than no character arc.
How is Finn as a character not cookie cutter? I mean his character id incredibly well after but his arc is one id the most generic out there.
He says everyone dies. Well more like "they all sacrifice their lives" but same gist.
Regarding the CGI - it's funny because both the boyfriend and my mom thought the actor that played Tarkin was real. Both of them assumed they found a look alike. They knew instantly that that wasn't Carrie Fisher (or any actress) as Leia but were 100% sure that Tarkin didn't have any CGI until I told them after the fact.
I discussed this at some other threads already, but one thing I've noticed with most (but not all) people who prefer R1 over TFA is they seem to be focusing more on the actual SW content - especiallly if they are franchise fans who look for more lore expansion - rather than the actual composition it as a film and if it works cohesively through the medium.
TFA has better characters and dialogue, but Rogue One is superior with most other aspects. I think it looks better, it has better action sequences and it is doing a way better job in showing us the star wars universe and expanded lore.
It matters when your complaining about cookie cutter characters. It's potato, potato. The difference is the quality of the actors.
My biggest issue with TFA is that it requires you to turn off your brain because there's so much outside the movie it doesn't explain or even try to there's not much else you can do. Rogue one is self contained The characters may be bland but they make sense within the star wars lore you don't need to read outside material to understand what's going on just the original trilogy. Every about TFA is just more questions.
I agree.
One feels like an actual war movie and the other feels like a retread.
Also, Rogue had an actual space battle. It wins.
What isn't explained though? Rey's past is really the only thing that comes to mind, and that's just sequel bait. Meanwhile the 1/2 emotional moments for Jyn means nothing to the viewers because those 10+ years are time skipped at the start of the film.It matters when your complaining about cookie cutter characters. It's potato, potato. The difference is the quality of the actors.
My biggest issue with TFA is that it requires you to turn off your brain because there's so much outside the movie it doesn't explain or even try to there's not much else you can do. Rogue one is self contained The characters may be bland but they make sense within the star wars lore you don't need to read outside material to understand what's going on just the original trilogy. Every about TFA is just more questions.
Jyn Erso, Donnie Yen, Mads, Diego Luna, Darth Vader, Uncanny Valley Tarkin, Mon Mothma.
That's most of the cast.
I couldn't agree more.I discussed this at some other threads already, but one thing I've noticed with most (but not all) people who prefer R1 over TFA is they seem to be focusing more on the actual SW content - especiallly if they are franchise fans who look for more lore expansion - rather than the actual composition it as a film and if it works cohesively through the medium.
EDIT: R1 was a C+ at best for me.
I'm kind of shocked that people believe this. I don't think TFA was great, but Rogue One was such a bore with unforgettable characters (with poorly developed motives) that it was zero fun to watch the first time, nor with repeat viewings. Disappointing that Donnie Yen was in this one, and not a better one.
Rogue One was a shitty Star Wars movie and a a shitty movie in general. Instead of having the trademark light-hearted space opera bits that people like in this series, it had dull, lifeless characters, pseudo-serious plot which made absolutely no sense in the context of the SW-lore and the dramatic moments missed the mark all the time.
But I guess it had 30 secs of Vader.
TFA was the second worst Star Wars movie, so it's no surprise.
Really? At the bolded.
I mean is it really that necessary at this point in Star Wars canon to explain (much more than what we got in R1) why these characters are fighting against the evil empire?
Yup, we've reached that point of a SW thread.Rogue One has some faults but it's far and away a better Star Wars film than The Force Awakens. The only thing TFA has going for it was Poe and Han Solo. In some ways TFA was worse than the Prequels. At least they were doing something new and different.
"Bad guys are bad" isn't a compelling narrative for any film.Really? At the bolded.
I mean is it really that necessary at this point in Star Wars canon to explain (much more than what we got in R1) why these characters are fighting against the evil empire?
What isn't explained though? Rey's past is really the only thing that comes to mind, and that's just sequel bait. Meanwhile the 1/2 emotional moments for Jyn means nothing to the viewers because those 10+ years are time skipped at the start of the film.
TFA tells the story and arc it sets out to do within the movie while also setting hooks in for an arc that ends with the trilogy. Rey, Finn, and Han are probably the biggest focus of telling a story and wrapping it at the end of the film, while everyone else takes a backseat. Rogue One fails to deliver any sort of arc for anyone, even though they had the perfect ending for Jyn but for some reason male costar literally just rises from the dead to prevent her from confronting the antagonist.
In a universe where everyone hates the big evil doer, you're going to need a better selling point to get people to be emotionally invested in a particular character, no matter how much of a no-shitter that may be. Otherwise, you end up with people who are no better than the redshirts getting clunked out on the sidelines.
"Bad guys are bad" isn't a compelling narrative for any film.
I discussed this at some other threads already, but one thing I've noticed with most (but not all) people who prefer R1 over TFA is they seem to be focusing more on the actual SW content - especiallly if they are franchise fans who look for more lore expansion - rather than the actual composition it as a film and if it works cohesively through the medium.
EDIT: R1 was a C+ at best for me.
BullshitIt's the worst
Attack of Clones must never be forgotten.BullshitIt's the worst
In some ways TFA was worse than the Prequels. At least they were doing something new and different.
We're not dealing with revolutions in characterization with any Star Wars films. A clearly defined character, with understandable motivations, great chemistry with the rest of the ensemble, and a clearly defined arc executed well is plenty. It's a man on the run, who finds something worth fighting for, and learns to face his fears when it matters most. Generic? Sure. But it's in the execution, which TFA nails.
This is already more than Rogue One had going for it. The film was a narrative mess, Jyn was robbed of her story arc, and there's no tension or chemistry between any characters. The whole film felt like a very messy missed opportunity, with some nice set pieces. Star Wars is ultimately about characters, not action, and RO failed utterly in that department.
Attack of Clones must never be forgotten.
You're weird, then.It was bad but I didn't fall asleep watching it on Bluray.
I discussed this at some other threads already, but one thing I've noticed with most (but not all) people who prefer R1 over TFA is they seem to be focusing more on the actual SW content - especiallly if they are franchise fans who look for more lore expansion - rather than the actual composition it as a film and if it works cohesively through the medium.
EDIT: R1 was a C+ at best for me.
He's one of the very few compelling parts of the movie. However it's all severely under utilized, and relies heavily on Jyn as well. It would have worked better if it was recentered around Jyn not wanting to steal the plans because she was told to, but to steal them because she wanted to. Outside of that, RO doesn't really pretend to care about that narrative either, asYou didn't find Erso Sr.'s motivations interesting? At the very least.