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Haven't read over everything, but does this list teraflop performance? How well will this run unreal engine 4? Four to six times the performance of xbox 360 doesn't exactly get me excited.
This shit is definitely fake, the Next-Box uses DirectX 12 lol, what is this bullshit? I know one of the engineers on the project, this is FAKE.
Yes, the upcoming Windows will use 11.1 temporarily, but not the Next-box.
Its fake because Xbox 720 was always a stupid name thats not going to happen.
This is one of the least professional documents I've seen in ages, and I deal with tons of financial reports etc. every day. Some things that make this document look fishy:Well let's hope for microsofts sake that's its a fake. If somebody gets fired it'd real lol
I used Adobe Reader 9 for this. It tells me that this is most likely a copy and paste job with images from Google searches, and most likely garbage (or done by an intern or something). It's anyway not how I expect Microsoft to conduct business, and seems to be just a very elaborate hoax.7: (Google logo): http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumb...AAAAZM/aa05g-nG0S0/s1600-R/Google%2B3600x1500
It's a non-functionling link, but it is the URL connected to the image. Chance is I may have written it incorrectly, I had to write it for hand, couldn't copy.
8: (Xbox LIVE logo): xbox-live
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Pages after just repat already mentioned images.
Where are you getting these conclusions? Cloud-rendering dramatically lowers the entry cost for core gaming. You'll be able to send a Facebook invite to anyone to play any game and they don't have to buy anything to join. People who would never spend $300 on a console can play the most graphically demanding games within minutes.
Can you explain how this is not a major breakthrough?
And I think your comment about closed platforms and 60fps is lunacy. There's total incentive for developers of cloud games to push technology as far as it can go. Developers will want their games to stand out. Unlike current models, high tech requirements don't diminish the total potential sell-through.
That is not "Microsoft Confidential," which is the standard for all MS stuff.
Slide 9: "GPU 64 ALU @ 1GhHz" .... "GPU 48 ALU @ 500 Mhz"
Those parts don't make sense. Graphics cards are up to 512+ shader cores. 64 ALU doesn't make sense to me.
A bit OT, but...Is the talk about 720 being "cheap" ( in the sense of being 299 at launch ) something possible considering the recent rumors about hardware I've seen also in Wii U Speculation thread or I'm misunderstanding things?
Asking this to bgassassin, for example, since it'd be material for the speculation thread too.
Rösti;38938399 said:What/who this nkachroo is I don't know, maybe it's the directory of Sean Wilson who uploaded this document.
Finally with Smartglass, your whole family can look like a bag of dicks.
Activision called it 720 in the bungie leak. It won't end up being called that but it's definitely a word the industry use.
56 pages?
We can do better than that GAF!
This is what convinced me it was fake.The use of language in this section is abysmal and does not match the tone and syntax used in large corporations.
Rösti;38938399 said:This is one of the least professional documents I've seen in ages, and I deal with tons of financial reports etc. every day. Some things that make this document look fishy:
I also looked if there were any addresses/URLs to the images in this document, and what I found was rather interesting. The beginning number stands for page number:
- The diversity of resolution in images. Especially on page 4, if you compare the Xbox 360 image with the Kinect image, you see a clear difference. For material that should be readily available for Microsoft, you'd expect that all images would at least be of the same resolution, even if the document is marked "draft".
- The lack of vector logotypes. I know that the document is made in Microsoft Powerpoint 2010, but even in that program there's no need to rasterize logo images of such dimensions as displayed in this document. In most documents supplied by Microsoft, logotypes are in vector format (with eventual masks on, both the current Xbox 360 logo and the Xbox LIVE logo feature masks). Also, other logos (such as the Blu-ray logo) is in such low quality it could be difficult to see what it is on a big screen. Furthermore, many logos do not represent what certain companies use. The current Nintendo logo is for example gray and not red. Whether it's in Microsoft's interest to use outdated logos I don't know, but if they used this for a presentation it would make them look unprofessional.
- The frequent appearance of the term "Xbox 720". I'd expect either "Durango", "Xbox 360 successor" or "next generation system" to be used here. 720 is not a a term you can apply as well as 360, and what connection would it have to what is proposed in terms of services, software etc.?
- The inclusion of the Wingdings typeface somewhere in this document. I've gone through all pages but I don't see where that could be, and why would such even be used for something like this? Apart from some arrows (which you can get natively through PowerPoint), there's nothing in the typeface that can be used for any reasonable purpose regarding this.
I used Adobe Reader 9 for this. It tells me that this is most likely a copy and paste job with images from Google searches, and most likely garbage (or done by an intern or something). It's anyway not how I expect Microsoft to conduct business, and seems to be just a very elaborate hoax.
What/who this nkachroo is I don't know, maybe it's the directory of Sean Wilson who uploaded this document.
That's easily adjusted in Windows.Whoa, it seems legit if the username is real.
Rösti;38938399 said:I used Adobe Reader 9 for this. It tells me that this is most likely a copy and paste job with images from Google searches, and most likely garbage (or done by an intern or something). It's anyway not how I expect Microsoft to conduct business, and seems to be just a very elaborate hoax.
bgassassin's find seems a more likely candidate.
Seriously, it's not real because it doesn't look good enough? Have you guys never had real jobs? Doesn't matter how big the company is, they don't get PR agencies in to layout or word their internal strategy presentations.
Finally with Smartglass, your whole family can look like a bag of dicks.
"The Zune Marketplace is designed to help consumers discover new music, uncover old favorites and make new connections," said Naveen Kachroo, Zune Lead Program Manager at Microsoft. "Omniture helps us understand what our customers care about, continually allowing us to improve the online experience and provide the best possible content and services."
Has to be fake. There is no way they're going to focus this much on Kinect 2.0 when the majority of their customers are hardcore gamers and hate Kinect even more than Wii waggle and iOS gaming. If anything, they're going hardcore 2.0 with their next console.
Glad Microsoft has some real winners on the Xbox team. Zune. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200702/ai_n17169423/
already shot him a friend request on fb, def the same guy he's bald and note his bald avatar in the slideshare. http://www.facebook.com/naveen.kachroo
hope this isnt too stalkerish or something. sure somebody could shoot him an email and just as sure he wont comment.
i'm sure i could dig up a ton more, but dont really have time, sure you guys are on it.
It is and he won't tell you anything.
majority of customers are not hardcore, in fact the hardcore is probably the 1% of the customers that buy ANY game.
Hardcore gamers are the gamers that play all the games, that buys everything that has to do with the game/console they love.
just because you play FPS doesn't make you hardcore
Think about it for a second.
Now you have consumers spending $400 on hardware.
Now the publisher or whatever supplier has to spend $400 on hardware alone then dont forget about the bandwidth,cooling, electricity.
Then you have people complaining about rising development costs. What if you make a game as a indie dev and becomes a hype(minecraft) you have only capacity for 10k users but you have 100k users wanting to play aka diablo 3 launch.
Blizzard is big and can expand fast with server but where are those indie devs getting the hardware worth for 100k users. What if your game quickly dies after like a month user activity drops to 15k instead of the 100k it was worth you have all that hardware that needs to be maintained or sold.
If one thing cloudgaming will restrict devs even more on what they can do. Dont think a publisher will want a dev studio go full out with their game loose grip on optimization they will just throw a extra core at it developers will think.
As a studio im pretty sure i want the consumer to also spend money on hardware so i dont have.
Of course i dont know how flexibel server capacity can be allocated or if you need generic hardware or specialized hardware. This is my vision on cloud gaming. So if it is wrong enlighten me im mostly open for hardware suggestions.
I've found a link that has him at Microsoft Nov 2010.Yeah. Naren would have started with MS after this document was made. Naveen has stuff going back at least to 2000.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms978698.aspx
ARM/x86 is my favorite processor architecture after PowerPC/StayPuftMarshmallow.
Might want to read this?
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4375240/AMD-to-integrate-ARM-core-into-APUs
Not to single you guys out, but this exchange brings up one of the particulars I'm referring to. The first supposedly leaked rumors towards the end of last year regarding the next-gen Xbox actually gel with some of the info here.This article makes me feel it is kind of more ridiculous now.
^What does this really gain Microsoft in terms of performance relative to the amount of silicon used?
We're still going over the massive slideshow but here are some highlights:
XTV - Xbox TV will be launched "Holiday 2012" and will be what it sounds like. Full support won't be till the Xbox 720 though in 2013. It will work on the Xbox 360, Phone and PC.
Fortaleza (Kinect 3D Glasses) in 2014 with WiFi for living room; by 2015 it will have a cell radio/4G for use everywhere
By 2015 "Xbox experiences served up form the cloud. Instantly on any screen."
Xbox 720 Media Hub - "Record TV in the background and serve up to any device in the household.Stream your personal videos, music, photos and more and play them back from any device. Start and play your favorite Xbox games from other devices like phones and PCs with RemoteFX technology...Take your entertainment everywhere. Start on one screen but instantly pause and play it again from any other device makes it best way to enjoy your TV, movies and music when you’re on the go."
Kinect v2 Sensor (2013) - Better 3D Play Space (closer, wider, deeper); Improved Voice Rec.; 4 Player tracking; Dedicated Processing; Improved HD
Some now are speculating that Monday won't be a Microsoft Tablet but an "XTV" announcement. That actually makes sense as Los Angeles is the entertainment home. Regardless, if Microsoft doesn't announce it Monday you can bet that it's coming soon (if it's to be ready for the holiday season).
The "Xbox 720" doc floating about is based on sketches from a while back that were surrounded by demonstrably fake info.
@DanAdeptGames The fact they're calling it 720 pretty much proves it's fake plus I saw all this shit weeks ago. Amazed The Verge fell for it
Author of the original piece ignored comms asking to discuss his piece too. No mention at all of Durango either...
If doc is genuine, you'd wonder where MS could find a truly next-gen CPU/GPU SoC that only needs 50W too.
That could be quite interesting. It would be an IPTV service that would run on multiple devices (including Loop if that happens). If MS actually pulls this off, it'll be another kick to the groin of Sony. They've been working on this for a while but put it on hold because they weren't making enough progress with content providers (just like GoogleTV).
It could make PC gaming irrelevant, as you no longer need a "gaming PC" to play games on your PC. For example, you could buy Starcraft 2 for XBOX then play it with a mouse and keyboard like you do today on your PC streaming via XBOX (and the PC could be a netbook even).
DigitalFoundry claim that this is completely fake (surprise, surprise):
@DanAdeptGames The fact they're calling it 720 pretty much proves it's fake plus I saw all this shit weeks ago. Amazed The Verge fell for it
Me said:The idea that MS would refer to the next Xbox internally as "720" seems completely insane to me. Jeff_Rigby fails as usual.
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Covington Advises Microsoft in Patent Agreement With Facebook
4/23/2012
SAN FRANCISCO, April 23, 2012 — Covington & Burling advised Microsoft Corp. in negotiating a definitive agreement with Facebook that assigns the social networking company the right to purchase a portion of a patent portfolio that Microsoft recently purchased from AOL Inc. Under the agreement, announced today, Facebook will pay $550 million in cash.
Representative firm clients such as Bank of America, IBM, Maersk, Microsoft, Pantheon Holdings, Procter & Gamble, the National Football League, Société Générale and Wal-Mart look to us as trusted advisors and counsel.
Lookin' pretty real now!
I'd be really surprised if MS can get content deals that Sony can't, given Sony (albeit in a different division) actually produce content in the first place.