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RUMOR: Tales of Hearts (R) Coming to the West
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SatelliteOfLove
Member
Perhaps with a bit of "this is what we could get"?
What's wrong with it?
clay_ghost
Member
Innocence R being superior is subjective but Hearts DS being superior is objective.
The audience wanted games that currently dont exist, like Type 0 vita and Valkyria Chronicles 3 vita. They also wanted a game that actually exists. They choose the possible option.
Hades Hotgun
Banned
Yeah. The only hope I see for VC and FFT0 at this point is if they just don't have dates yet and are gonna get big reveals at E3 or something. Hearts sounds like the kind of game that wouldn't get a big reveal.
This is mostly just me being irrationally hopeful though, because if this is the fruit of #JRPGVita then we are all fucked.
The conversion to 3D which looks terrible. The combat works but it doesnt hold a candle to the original and it loses the charm overall with the mediocre low budget conversion.
And now that I look it seems Over My Dead Body 2 isn't out yet anyway, though I guess that can be #jrpgvita2.
Dimentionalist
Member
I was under this mindset until the day the game came out. The demo was awful and as a fan of cel-shading, I was more than a little let down with the choice of graphical style. Then I sat down and played it for a few hours, and thought "okay, better than I thought, but still not what I'd want." The fact that they had another artist remix Sakuraba's own tracks didn't help matters.
However, I started to realize some of the smart fixes they've made to the game.
The original Hearts is notorious for being spammy. Shing gets an Arte called Shouseijin (no localized name yet from other Tales AFAIK) that deals good damage and knocks the enemy high into the air. It's possible to get an enemy to the top of the screen simply by repeating the Arte over and over again: by the end of the game, you'd be able to use the Arte up to 15 to 20 times in succession. In R, if you want to deal damage, you'll have to vary your combos.
Hearts R significantly reduces Arte damage output if you use the same move over and over again. Stunlocked enemies will also occasionally turn red and counterattack. When they do that, if you hit the guard button with perfect timing, you'll counterattack and continue your combo. You can get some neat bonuses for doing that in the form of skills that restore TP, HP, and TC (think Xillia's AC, but it doesn't deplete from normal attacks) upon a successful guard counter. There's also another cool defensive option that lets dash through enemies by pressing guard and forward.
There are definitely things I miss about Hearts DS that I wish they would have brought back (a non-traditional world map, Sakuraba, Emotional Gauge, Combination Gauge and Combination Artes), and I hate how enemies recover in mid-air, but I'd argue that Hearts R is much better than it's made out to be.
How is that any different than when Shahid fields inquiries about Indie Game X? People sent him those in the hopes of getting them ported, and localized. Based on what Adam Boyes once said, it seems Sony might even localize the PSP builds (yikes) rather than go the full distance.
I don't know anything about this game and the hate isn't promising but you are right. It won the vote and if this is true they are trying to do what the people want.
Dice//
Banned
Budget aside (obviously Uncharted is going in with a bit more behind it), but I really really really wished Tales games could add a filter or two to "glossy" over some of their bland graphics. What am I saying? Yes. I love bloom effects!
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Rrrrrgh! I have tried to come to terms with the idea of this (and Innocence) never being localized in any way shape or form, but this makes me want to get my hopes up! I mean it's Tales! I can't help it! I want this! I need this! Please be true!
PLEASE!
There's a fan translation of the DS version of Tales of Innocence.
You could take screencaps of Persona 4 Golden and it might still come out ahead of ToH.
Budget aside (obviously Uncharted is going in with a bit more behind it), but I really really really wished Tales games could add a filter or two to "glossy" over some of their bland graphics. What am I saying? Yes. I love bloom effects!
FFXHD looks better than Hearts R.
If people actually believe that they will do that, they only have themselves to blame.
You could compare the original version of FFX to most PS2 games and it'd come out notably ahead. It and MGS2 were just crazy good looking for that system's library.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
I hate using emulators and roms, though. I'm a bit traditional in that I like playing official/legit versions of games I want/love. I'll always have hope that I'll one day get to play Innocence or any other unlocalized Tales games.
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Would've liked to try a localized DS version instead.
Up-port and localization of Rebirth? Please and thanks?
Well, Shahid did come through for Tales, the highest vote-getter. Just a shame that the game doesn't look great.
What's interesting to me though that Bamco is going all Tales crazy recently in the West. Tales is hitting the big time.
Would've liked to try a localized DS version instead.
Up-port and localization of Rebirth? Please and thanks?
Well, Shahid did come through for Tales, the highest vote-getter. Just a shame that the game doesn't look great.
What's interesting to me though that Bamco is going all Tales crazy recently in the West. Tales is hitting the big time.
GreatMightySymp
Member
Namdai likely figured out they can make a decent profit (not huge numbers, but at least makes more than breaking even) off the core fan base (especially when they increase their bottom line with the CEs which don't cost them nearly as much as they sell them for).
CielTynave
Member
Well I certainly wasn't too keen on the changes that were made to the game, but it's a Tales game so I'll probably end up liking it enough anyways.
Hours Left
Member
I'd buy it.
hmm, I have nothing against this. But to back to an older thread and your lost faith in Shahid
but I hope you all realize that JRPGs are just a drop in the bucket, unfortunately.
FMC2014 that he helped come to fruition was effing fantastic, allowing cross save with the PC version? Effing Megaton.
Running around like everyone's bitch and trying to open up the PlayStation system to everyone? Thats effing fantastic.
Yepp, I would have loved to see results about 6 months before Shahid even mentioned the hash tag, I would love not to see so much exclusively Japanese content on the Vita, bring it over please.
But I'm not expecting that any company will be ready in 6-9 months from negotiations start to localization and presentation.
Come Fall and Winter and still no news? Yepp then screw it, I'll be punching llamas for being such horrible animals while sipping salty Beers and enduring the 3DS with it's better rpg library...after I finished Tales of heart R.
PS. Or I'll finally be able to play DQVII/VIII on my Vita through remote play if Sony doesn't mess that up by region locking the PS1/2 Emulation and not allowing remote play on older titles.
btw I don't think this has anything to do with Shahid and is more of a Namco wanting more money thing
FMC2014 that he helped come to fruition was effing fantastic, allowing cross save with the PC version? Effing Megaton.
Running around like everyone's bitch and trying to open up the PlayStation system to everyone? Thats effing fantastic.
Yepp, I would have loved to see results about 6 months before Shahid even mentioned the hash tag, I would love not to see so much exclusively Japanese content on the Vita, bring it over please.
But I'm not expecting that any company will be ready in 6-9 months from negotiations start to localization and presentation.
Come Fall and Winter and still no news? Yepp then screw it, I'll be punching llamas for being such horrible animals while sipping salty Beers and enduring the 3DS with it's better rpg library...after I finished Tales of heart R.
PS. Or I'll finally be able to play DQVII/VIII on my Vita through remote play if Sony doesn't mess that up by region locking the PS1/2 Emulation and not allowing remote play on older titles.
Infernal Monkey
Member
I dunno, this is the same Namco that refused to release the Vita version of One Piece Pirate Warriors 2 in NA/EU despite going to the effort of localising the game, and somehow decided to make Dragon Ball Z on Vita a digital-only release in America so nobody would know it even existed. Namco doesn't give a shiiiiit about the Vita outside of Japan.
KimonoNoNo
Member
I don't envy the headaches of Sony's third party guy trying to get ports of Japanese IP out of their cold dead hands.
They're localizing the new One Piece game on Vita, though. It's even getting a physical release at GameStop.
ULTROS!
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Innocence isn't what you can call a good Tales game.
Just wondering about ToHR, if I've never played the original, will I still like this game?
Hitlersaurus Christ
Banned
Is the story worse in R?
ThatStupidLion
Member
whats peoples beef with ToH?
what makes it such a bad game?
what makes it such a bad game?
Reluctant-Hero
Member
Boss★Moogle;107938218 said:
Well said, my friend.
pancakesandsex
Member
Neat, I passed on importing this one, but I'll definitely take an English version, especially if it has a full localization. I was disappointed to miss out on the DS one (not enough voice for me to fumble through it with my limited Japanese knowledge), and I'm all for having another thing to do on my Vita.
OldKingDoran
Banned
outsourced low budget port with numerous unnecessary changes to combat and presentation that just makes it inferior to the DS version.
You'll like this game because you've never played the original DS version. If you did, you'd probably not like this remake very much.
No, it's not Hearts that people hate, it's Hearts R that people hate. I'm honestly surprised at the positive comments in regards to the DS version on GAF.
R_thanatos
Member
i'm conflicted ...on one hand it's cool tha the vita gets a Jrpg , on the other hand it's tales of hearts
i'd ...take it i guess ...
i'd ...take it i guess ...
Seems major complaint is from people who preferred the 2D DS version, and weren't happy with the conversion to 3D or the design choices involved with that shift. Judging from other responses/feedback, it sounds like a fairly well received game for those that never played the DS one.
I can't speak to the quality of either version but I do find it so very strange that people begging for localizations don't want this one based purely off the idea it is inferior to a different version they have never played. I can appreciate being skeptical and listening to impressions of those that have, but people are acting as if this is the worst Tales game ever and shouldn't be touched. At the least Dimentionalist's posts seems to point to there being more to it than being outright awful as some people are trying to claim it is.
Dimentionalist
Member
The story is comparable and honestly more or less the same. There are some new story scenes, and some scenes from the original (maybe 2 or 3 by my count) were removed. However, there's a new, self-contained (and largely unresolved) subplot about something called a "Triverse" that
connects the worlds of Innocence, Hearts, and Tempest. One of the new characters in Hearts R, Galado, is from another world, presumably Tempest's or somewhere else. Rumors are that the Triverse lore is what will expand the criminally short (10-hour-long) Tales of the Tempest into a much larger game if it is ever remade.
BTW, here are some direct-feed, uncompressed screenshots from the game.
chrominance
Member
To be fair, a) I think Shahid and co. did also ask for PSP games, i.e. anything that could be played on a Vita, not just Vita games; b) while I'm sure lots of people would love to see Vita versions of those games, I'm also pretty sure that most just want to see those games localized in any form, PSP or Vita. I can't imagine there are many fans of those series who would turn up their nose at PSP versions with English translations.
