DXB-KNIGHT
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If the world want to stop the Jihadist I'm may ask the world to shift their view to look at Theocratic Governments and Political Islam.
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Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov assassinated in Ankara
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the assassin having a religious background doesn't really stop this from being a political assassination for the most part. He basically gave a typical preamble, but his actions make it pretty clear that this is a targeted, single-focus assassination.
Zeus Molecules
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Talk to the Saudi's they have funded most of it.
And they export most the males who do it in a thinly veiled attempt to export their own political crisis globally.
Mr. Giggles
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No it doesn't but choosing who the target was followed by a closely correlated political statement shouldn't also imply it was only religiously motivated
What part of targeted assassination isn't clear for you?
Audioboxer
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It is disgusting how much business and hand-waving the UK and US do with Saudi Arabia because oil. Heck Saudi Arabia even have their hands in everyone's favourite politicians pockets, the Clinton Foundation lol. The place should be sanctioned to the max and ignored. Not have weapons sold to it and pandering on the global political scene by so called liberal presidents and prime minister's. It's one problematic area in a wider global epidemic, but on the whole the country is not treated as it should be for the abuses it commits.
Is it a crime to not post that much here anymore?
*The lol was to the post - it seems we still can't talk about the elephant in the room. I'd direct the poster to read up on the killings ordered by the original Mohammad and see how many were political
Carpe Libertatem
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What does that have to do with this? This murder was explicitly, thoroughly political - its target, its motivations.
I loled.
MegaManTrigger
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This is the problem, you're making a really facile interpretation by focusing solely on the words uttered, and ignoring the political context within the event, as well as other things the gunman said (this is for Aleppo! Etc). Like many have said, "Allahu Akbar" can be said in multiple instances, whether it's in anger, prayer, happiness, or what have you. It doesn't necessarily mean it's 100% terrorist speak.
tfur
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Anything can be rationalized into politics and/or motivations.
He is killing in the name of God. Mohammed has given him the authority to kill.
Carpe Libertatem
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You might have a semblance of a point if you ignored everything else about this event, including the other things he said and the person he targeted.
In my mind, those hold far more weight than a sentence he said. But you're just seeing what you want in this (confirmation bias).
....But that doesn't exclude it from being motivated by radical Islam. By that virtue all the incidents in, say, Pakistan that are politically motivated are not motivated also by radical Islam. It's a bit naive to believe, and contrary to common sense.
That one photograph where the ambassador lies dead and the gunman is pointing to the left of the photo with his gun looks amazing. Like a still out of on Oscar-winning movie.
I don't want to post it because I don't know if it's against the TOS, but here is a link: https://i.redd.it/3hh1uu9g5n4y.jpg
I don't want to post it because I don't know if it's against the TOS, but here is a link: https://i.redd.it/3hh1uu9g5n4y.jpg
Mr. Giggles
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Oh no post as little or as much as you want, but looking at your thread history....
WeAreStarStuff
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I don't know if I would have stated it in the same terms given the subject matter here, but it is quite the shot indeed.
tfur
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Ah yes, I might have a semblance...
Your argument revolves around political motivations. The same political motivations that are part of EVERY terrorist attack. You somehow, in your mind, find a way to rationalize this persons step up to killing. By your logic, nobody is a terrorist, as long as they have political motivations. Or maybe motivations you agree with.
Is this a direct self defense killing? A crime of passion? A bout of mental illness? A premeditated act of hate?
Why did he think he had the RIGHT and AUTHORITY to kill someone?
Besides his words, he further affirms his ideology with the 1 finger salute as well.
Most people have rational political motivations to disagree with events, but they do not resort to killing people. This person used his religion as a mental and psychological vehicle to kill someone.
Carpe Libertatem
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You think that I'm rationalizing his step up to killing? All I'm saying is that his motivations were clearly political in nature. That doesn't not make him a terrorist, which he clearly is.
As far as your last point, yeah, most people obviously have political disagreements and don't kill people. Similarly, most people who follow Islam do not use it as a "mental and psychological vehicle to kill people." I'm not sure what your point is here. Do you think nonreligious people with political disagreements have never killed people before?
You want to pick out his religion as the primary culprit because it fits a narrative you believe.
Surely the ones guilty of this in this instance are the ones ignoring it because it fits their narrative.
Take this instance of a murder:
2016.11.27 Iraq A town's mayor is brutally executed by the Islamic State.
In your eyes would this fall under political only, or would it be religious because it was by IS. Could it not be both?
Your argument falls apart when you consider other things that can be ascribed to things other than religion when religion itself can be a driving factor, e.g. FGM
http://www.meforum.org/1629/is-female-genital-mutilation-an-islamic-problem
What, celebrity? You think he's being celebrated?
tfur
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Actually no, it is you ignoring his actual recorded narrative (along with his 1 finger salute) to fit your belief.
Milly Osworth
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Maybe if he yelled Jesus is great while doing it.
Peter Ian Staker
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I just watched a video of the attack. Jesus that was creepy.
The guy was sitting behind his target for like a couple of minutes walking around,fidgeting and reaching for his gun trying to find the courage to do it.
The guy was sitting behind his target for like a couple of minutes walking around,fidgeting and reaching for his gun trying to find the courage to do it.
The Orwellian lies surrounding the issue of Islamic terrorism sometimes makes my blood boil. Is it Saudi money? This is the matter of our age. Radical Islam is a pernicious ideology and you only become more concerned when you realize it is supported by the religion's texts.
To quote Winston Churchil
I know. That was the joke.
I wouldn't bet on a WW3 starting because of this event, but I think the Atlantic article is ridiculous.
No greater conflict is coming. Turkey and Russia are even ignoring his expressions of religious extremism.
The shooter was a Turkish police officer, so the official word (according to this WSJ story) is that the radical Islam/ISIS ties are all just false flag cover because *drumroll* the shooter was a Gulenist and the assassination was ordered by Gulen who the US won't turn over because Turkey can't provide proof of anything and the US doesn't extradite people for political reasons.
(Not making this up. This isn't a crazy conspiracy theory. Well it is, but it's coming from the Turkish government.)
Source:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-detains-6-after-killing-of-russian-envoy-1482252848
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