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Sales-Age: NTDOY Q4 earnings report
- Thread starter Cheesemeister
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JavyOO7 said:
The slow down in 07 was due to lack of new software, I remember big increase in wii sales when MP8 came out.
How about Brawl, I'm expecting great sales myself, but will brawl help sell wii to the hardcore crowd in Japan?
It could get interesting, maybe brawl can help galaxy get past the 1M milestone.
CubeRevolution
Member
CubeRevolution said:
Awesome! Thanks.
DS:
Nintendogs: 17.79m
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl: 14.17m
New Super Mario Bros. 13.14m
Brain Age: 11.71m
Brain Age 2: 9.84m
Mario Kart DS: 9.67m
Animal Crossing Wild World: 9.2m
Super Mario 64 DS: 5.78m
Big Brain Academy: 4.61m
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass: 3.82m
Mario Party DS: 2.67m
Pokemon Ranger: 2.61m
Flash Focus: 2.11m
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Time/Darkness: 1.54m
Wii:
Wii Sports: 17.85m
Wii Play: 9.23m
Super Mario Galaxy: 5.19m
Mario Party 8: 4.35m
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess: 4.3m
Super Paper Mario: 2.16m
Big Brain Academy Wii Degree: 2m
Mario Strikers Charged: 1.65m
Metroid Prime 3 Corruption: 1.14m
Link's Crossbow Training: 1.07m
Wii Fit: 1.05m
Supposedly, 1m copies of TP for the GC have been sold overall, bringing its total sales over 5m.
Son.Ralph.Funk said:
I just took these numbers from Fuzzy - he was kind enough to do the calculations based upon the tie ratios given in the IGN article.
For the US:
Software December/07
Wii - 10.95 million
Xbox 360 - 9.78 million
PS3 - 4.02 million
Software LTD
Xbox 360 - 64.05 million
Wii - 34.24 million
PS3 - 13.85 million
For comparison, at the same point in the X360 life (end of Dec/06)
Wii tie ratio - 4.64
Xbox 360 tie ratio - 5.1
Wii software ~ 34.24 million
X360 software ~ 23.1 million
So the Wii tie ratio is a bit below the X360 at the same point, but the Wii has sold far more software (11 million units) than the X360 at this point.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
AniHawk said:
These are worldwide numbers? As of what date? CubeRevolution's post is blank. :S
DeaconKnowledge said:
They are worldwide numbers LTD. FY 2008 is also included in this image:
http://www.gfdata.de/archiv01-2008-gamefront/nintendosoft.jpg
Yes, End of December. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2008/080125e.pdfDeaconKnowledge said:
Magicpaint
Member
Awesome.AniHawk said:
Phantom Hourglass is doing very well too, for a portable Zelda. Should have easily passed Minish Cap by now.
Magicpaint
Member
Yeah, I think 10+ million is a sure banker now. I think it's selling faster than NSMB on a WW scale. I was worried that it wasn't doing too well in Europe, but going by these numbers, it has been a smash hit in Europe. Which of course makes me very happy.AniHawk said:
Hmm yeah, but I can't imagined the numbers for most of the titles on there have increased drastically.AniHawk said:
I've just noticed something.
According to MS earnings thread, MS has shipped 17M 360's at the end of 2007
Nintendo sold that many Wii's in 2007 :lol
According to MS earnings thread, MS has shipped 17M 360's at the end of 2007
Nintendo sold that many Wii's in 2007 :lol
First off I think the Nintendo numbers are great. The DS and Wii have raised their numbers a ton.
The expectations are not pulled "out of his ass". Many companies provide their own expectations to analysts. For example Nintendo told analysts how many systems they expected to sell and how much software too.
A stock price is not based upon current earnings, but future earnings so any change to the expectation changes the price a lot.
Example: You pay $65 a share for Nintendo stock. If you were buying for today's earnings only you would get $1-2 dollars per share. You would obviously be losing money. You pay $65 and get $2. You have to be paying for future earnings as well. $2 every year for a long time. Nintendo is also growing so they will make more than that next year. Everyone expects that they will. If everyone buying the stock expects that they will make $3 per share next year, they are willing to pay a certain price for it. If they only make $2.50 per share they are still making a lot of money but not as much as you expected. People are not willing to pay as much for the shares. So the share price has to come down to reflect this difference. This is why expectations are so important.
mj1108 said:
The expectations are not pulled "out of his ass". Many companies provide their own expectations to analysts. For example Nintendo told analysts how many systems they expected to sell and how much software too.
A stock price is not based upon current earnings, but future earnings so any change to the expectation changes the price a lot.
Example: You pay $65 a share for Nintendo stock. If you were buying for today's earnings only you would get $1-2 dollars per share. You would obviously be losing money. You pay $65 and get $2. You have to be paying for future earnings as well. $2 every year for a long time. Nintendo is also growing so they will make more than that next year. Everyone expects that they will. If everyone buying the stock expects that they will make $3 per share next year, they are willing to pay a certain price for it. If they only make $2.50 per share they are still making a lot of money but not as much as you expected. People are not willing to pay as much for the shares. So the share price has to come down to reflect this difference. This is why expectations are so important.
super funk
Member
AniHawk said:
Wow, those are ridiculous numbers, especially when you consider what other games in the series have sold.
Pokemon DP will eventually outsell GS, mkaing it the second best selling one.
NSMB will eventually outsell Super Mario Land, making it the second best selling one.
Both Mario Party games are the best selling one in the series.
Phantom Hourglass has outsold all Zelda games in the past few years (except TP) and will eventually outsell the Oracle games.
Twilight Princess combined is the third best selling game in the series behind only the original and OoT.
Nintendogs will eventually outsell Super Mario Bros 3 and become the second best selling game of all time (outside of bundled games).
Forgot about Mario Kart DS, the best selling one in the series.
The DS now has 6 games in the top 20 games sold of all time, and that number will most likely become 7 since Animal Crossing is still selling.
I got all of my numbers from Wikipedia, I hope theyre reliable. If not, please feel free to correct.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Jokeropia said:
I'm going to say again that Strikers Charged is over-stocked right now. Observe the fact that when we last got shipment numbers (IE 3 months ago), Nintendo had shipped 250-300k of Strikers Charged to Japan.
Well, we just got the 2007 top 100. We know Strikers has managed to crawl to 105k. There are a bare minimum of 150-200k copies of Strikers allocated to Japan that have not sold. You can ask the question "Why would retailers continue to stock a game that's not selling?" and I don't have an answer for that. But I do know that the copies are there, unsold.
Phantom Hourglass is a little strange as well. 850k in Japan. Similar total in America. That's around 1.7 million. Did Europe/other sell more than American+Japan combined? That seems strange. It is possible that there's a large amount of stock in America not yet sold, and I think it's safe to say that it'll sell through quite well.
Most of the other titles have similar shipped/sold lag, but I expect those to briskly sell through. These two in particular are the ones that seem suspicious to me.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
HK-47 said:
D/P is a tough nut to crack. You're looking at 6 million Japanese sales and almost 4 million US sales. So the question comes down to how much you're willing to cede Europe. It does appear that supply is a little tighter on DP than most of the Marquee titles.
We know that Pokemon titles have extremely long legs (RuSa and Fire/Leaf were in the top 10 GBA titles monthly in all the leaked data I've ever seen right up until the end of 2007), so you would think they'd be more willing to overship (and retailers to overbuy), but it's also the case that a lot of sales will go to the "third version" which should come this fall or so for Japan... so maybe that's the explanation.
Great Rumbler
Member
jjgames said:
I was hoping someone would come along and explain the way stocks work.
To put it another way, a company's stock price is the combined total of the present value of all future revenues, which includes expected increases/decreases in stock price and dividends. If expectations of future revenues are not met, the price falls because people are not willing to pay as much money for each unit of stock. If expecations are exceeded, the stock price goes up because people are willing to pay more for each unit of stock.
Like Shiggy said, 240k. The number is still the same in the new document, so the extra 300k were for the west. (Probably mostly Europe.)Stumpokapow said:
DarthWaiter
Banned
Are there any other publishers that come even slightly near these crazy software sales?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
woohoo to Twilight Princess kicking Phantom Hourglasses ass.
Not that PH is a poor game by any means, I just remember hearing over and over again from people that PH was like the 'true zelda innovator' and was the 1 game that was going to be super successful and revitalize the series and blah blah TP was a commercial failure and all that jazz...
go argue with 5.62MM. Try.
Edit:
Also, +1 for Harker again regarding MPC3 sales.
Fantastic game, but I told you, that one is a commercial disappointment.
Not that PH is a poor game by any means, I just remember hearing over and over again from people that PH was like the 'true zelda innovator' and was the 1 game that was going to be super successful and revitalize the series and blah blah TP was a commercial failure and all that jazz...
go argue with 5.62MM. Try.
Edit:
Also, +1 for Harker again regarding MPC3 sales.
Fantastic game, but I told you, that one is a commercial disappointment.
BishopLamont
Banned
PH did revitalize the series for Japan, outside of that it's not surprising to see TP to be more appealing.John Harker said:
The cash flows are interesting. I haven't looked at it historically, but for this period they sourced cash from investment activities to the tune of $2.4 billion. Maybe they will actually spend some of it - it's almost as if they don't want to wait for 2007's income to move through the accounts receivable.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Cheesemeister said:
I said wow.
DS: The DS sold 64.79 million consoles in around 3 full years (it was released in the USA in Fall 2004, later in Japan and Europe). We also see in the sales trends that it is picking up huge momentum in Europe and the USA, while the Japanese sales will decrease (maybe not if DQ9 sells insanely well). When all is said and done the DS will become the highest selling console EVER. I could see the console easily doing 150-200 million. You heard me, the DS may have a chance of being the first console ever to break the 200 million mark.
Wii: The wii is insanely successful, the console is selling insanely well in Europe and Japan, the two territories that the Gamecube did bad at. North America on the other hand seems to be the strongest Nintendo market, just like last generation and the generation before that. The best part is that this is only year one and the console has many more years of life. I could foresee the Wii hitting the 100 million mark when all is said and done. The third parties should see these numbers and start putting the better development teams on Wii exclusives, or they will be in a world of hurt.
TwinIonEngines said:
Maybe in 1993? I remember Nintendo bundled Link's Awakening with the Brick back then for a short time.
Jokeropia said:
Metroid Prime is somewhere up near 3m. Nothing's impossible, but that looks like a pretty tough goal to reach.
...Yeah, I don't see it. Besting the PS2? Not that unexpected. We're talking about a goal that's 'only" 70m-80m (2-3 years) away. Hitting 200m would mean the system hits 30m in Japan, 80m in NA, and 90m in Europe... or something equally crazy. I just don't see it.
Kelbaugh mentioned it selling "over 2 million" in an interview back in November, so it likely hasn't reached 3. With an eventual Player's Choice release, I think it's possible for MP3 to match the original.AniHawk said: