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Samsung announces Gear VR Powered by Oculus
- Thread starter fluffydelusions
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How is the Playstation 4 better than the Atari 2600?
Good VR Cinema app is one of the key reasons why I want to get my hands on VR headset.
It's not, like, *good*, but it's comparable to running a higher end mobile game on current phones.
The dev kits, at least, did not. Concerns were cited about the very rare possibility of batteries exploding or whatever, though I'd imagine that could happen anyway?Freep, does this have an accessible usb port? Because, if so, positional tracking wont be a big problem
Reallink
Member
On the go VR sounds like a recipe for disaster. DK2 still makes a lot of people sick and has a lot of stuff going for it over this (positional and presumably more accurate/lower latency tracking, 75FPS low persistence). I don't want to imagine riding in the back seat of a car with a high res DK1 equivalent on my head. Better bring a bucket.
MADGAME
Member
Marketing on this thing will be hilarious.
A person smiling while wearing the VR headset, what is hilarious regarding that image? Maybe instead they should have a fat, poorly dressed bearded slob eating Doritos and Mountain Dew with a countenance expressing "Don't touch me you filthy casual".
Cyber Caesar
Member
The Eschaton.
MiamiWesker
Member
I am so excited about this. Not the product itself, I dont have a samsung phone and cant get one for a year so whatever. It is how VR is going to explode on the market. It will be very weird at first but if we get some truly mindblowing experiences out of it we have the next big thing. If we can already do phone VR how soon will we have simple glasses and smaller devices that don't look like a helmet. This is exciting.
From the Monument Valley guys!
This looks awesome. RiME meets Below.
Veritigo_X
Member
"Stop calling me Mom, I'm trying to demonstrate something!"
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
From the Monument Valley guys!
But... but I don't want three VR headsets ;__;
ThatsMytrunks
Member
If a Samsung Note 4 off contract is $400 and the Gear VR is $100 or less, I'm in.
That is, if Apple doesn't blow it out of the water on 9/9.
That is, if Apple doesn't blow it out of the water on 9/9.
Exploratory
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juicyfruitas
Member
at some point samsung is gonna need to control the software ecosystem for their devices. I wonder if they have a homebrewed VR OS in the works for future tizen integration.
mitchman
Gold Member
Latency of the sensor to display must be low, but BT is fine for controller input. PS4 uses it and it's not an issue that is noticeable.
I expect that the phone call process will not pre-empt the game so it won't be allowed to run (and hence make a sound or anything).
Harmonix does develope software for Gear VR too.
https://twitter.com/nickchester/status/507168880826281984
edit: a list of all the announced Gear VR games
http://gamemob.com/news/first-look-at-samsung-gear-vr-games/
https://twitter.com/nickchester/status/507168880826281984
edit: a list of all the announced Gear VR games
http://gamemob.com/news/first-look-at-samsung-gear-vr-games/
DouglasteR
Member
Wise move from Oculus.
PC + Oculus = High end, true VR experience
Note4 + GearVR = Mid end, entry hardware and experience (everyone with a note4 will be a step (steepy step actually) from VR, so why not try it ?)
And they also bring Samsung (all the hardware they will ever need) bellow their wings.
And Facebook laughing from the darkness.
PC + Oculus = High end, true VR experience
Note4 + GearVR = Mid end, entry hardware and experience (everyone with a note4 will be a step (steepy step actually) from VR, so why not try it ?)
And they also bring Samsung (all the hardware they will ever need) bellow their wings.
And Facebook laughing from the darkness.
Gangxxter
Member
I'm interested in how much a 1440p display helps with the screen door effect, are pixels still visible at 1440p?
Also, I don't get it, the screen is only 60Hz, yet it supports low-persistence. How does this work?
Also, I don't get it, the screen is only 60Hz, yet it supports low-persistence. How does this work?
Source: http://www.oculusvr.com/blog/introducing-the-samsung-gear-vr-innovator-edition/
There was also a guy a while back that was working on a headset made out of cardboard if I remember correctly.
DouglasteR
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From http://www.darknetgame.com/#!Launching-on-Gear-VR/c24e2/C08809D4-176B-423D-90AC-8BD8EEFF9426
So im pretty sure we really need 4k.
Nvidia was right all the time !
Fried Food
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if you haven't seen Carmacks portion of the conference, you can watch it here: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/3/61...es-into-nerd-overdrive-about-vr-on-the-note-4
I could listen to John Carmack talk about anything, all day.
I could listen to John Carmack talk about anything, all day.
Just a theory but I think that:
- DK2 strobs short burts at 1080p at 75hz [I think they mentioned somewhere that is 3ms per frame].
- GearVR strobs longer bursts at 1440p at 60hz. With longer bursts, bad visual effects of strobing are eliminated, blur is reduced, but not as much as with DK2.
- Very small chance, but maybe they are doing same thing as Sony - taking 60hz rendering and interpolating it into 120hz very low persistence video stream.
Description of Feep said that blur is little worse than with DK2. That would point that frames are showed for a longer period of time.
The low persistence refers to how quickly the AMOLED display can shut off pixels. Watch Carmack's portion of the reveal, he explains it really well.
Gangxxter
Member
Thanks for the article, very interesting. From the article I get that we don't need 4k necessarily for the Rift CV1, I think 1440p will be good enough.
Makes sense. From the article by the Darknet developer it seems 60Hz is also enough for low-persistence to work. I thought 75Hz was the bare minimum refresh rate for low-persistence.
You know, I have learnt not to get to deep into arguing on the net, as it usually leads to nowhere, but I don't want to let this one pass.
Let me tell you something, if a reputable source (such as WSJ, FT, NYT, Engadget, etc.) leaks something, they are usually telling the whole story. So when Engadget pretty much accurately leaked every single detail about Gear VR through multiple articles, it means the information they provided was mostly accurate.
And I would say the following quote: "the urgency is said to be a measure of beating Facebook's Oculus Rift and Sony's Project Morpheus to market." from Engadget is straight forward and it doesn't mean the competitors are some non-existent mobile VR products like you implied above.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/22/samsung-vr-headset/
I would still give Samsung the benefit of the doubt, of course, but we are talking about a company in which they feel quite insecure and release a product the moment there's a rumor that some big company is about to enter that area. The obvious example is the SmartWatch rumor by Apple and how they created a rushed product to beat them to the market, and since then they have reiterated on SmartWatches in a clueless manner a few times already, in a matter of a single year only!
Of course, the more interesting example of beating others to the competition was their Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 after it was rumored that Apple was working on one with a pen support. Look at this Note 12.2 commercial and tell me this is not an insecure company here just trying to cash in the VR hype.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f16D0RSbzUw
Just to be clear, in my previous post, I only said I can provide example of the fact that Samsung is notorious of having an R&D division that hinges on new potentially big products from others in order to beat others to the competition and take the position of a market pioneer and innovators. And I guess you just need a bit of conjecture to realize that the Engadget comment is more than likely true, and you calling me wrong is the only baseless argument here.
Oh well, but I am sure potentially getting an exclusive right to purchase Samsungs AMOLED panel for VR in order to hamper competition, and a whole 12 cents less per panel for Oculus VR is more than worth it for them to go against what they said they were standing for.
NotSmartEnough
Member
Exciting news. I wonder if we'll see other mobile manufacturers announce similar products soon?
I do hope that we see an end to the 'PC is the only route to VR' tone that seems to manifest in most threads discussing Rift and Morpheus; solutions which lower the cost and expose VR to a broader market have to be a good thing.
I do hope that we see an end to the 'PC is the only route to VR' tone that seems to manifest in most threads discussing Rift and Morpheus; solutions which lower the cost and expose VR to a broader market have to be a good thing.
Well... Oculus is using low persistence to eliminate blur. Gear VR is also using it... but less efficiently.
Oculus or Abrash never said that there exists any "minimum". He only talked about it in terms of achieving "presence", which is something Gear VR is not aiming to achieve [no possition tracking]. Samsung aims for great immersion and maybe sense of presence in specific use case scenarios [VR cinema app where user is very stationary for long periods of time and there is no need for positional tracking].
Hey Feep, if you're allowed to talk about this, when you mention developing for the Gear VR do you mean that these games will be exclusive to the Gear VR platform or should they also theoretically work on other Android devices using the Oculus mobile SDK? Also do you have plans to develop cross platform (ie. mobile version for Gear VR and desktop version for Oculus Rift) or is this game going to be mobile only?
Just_myles
Member
Again, whatever pushes VR experience further for Oculus, I'm all for it. Since I won't have my hands on anything for a while, I'll just have to hang back and let this all play out.
MrCunningham
Member
Partnering with Oculus is brilliant. This is really beneficial to both sides.
LemonGremlin
Member
I'm bringing Ocean Rift to the Gear VR.
6 minutes of footage.
(everything's procedurally animated)
It's an incredible piece of kit, can't wait to develop more stuff for it.
6 minutes of footage.
(everything's procedurally animated)
It's an incredible piece of kit, can't wait to develop more stuff for it.
Soyongdori
Member
Pretty much this. This is more of a good news for Oculus than Samsung.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Heh. Looks worse than DOA3 at the launch of the original Xbox.
MrCunningham
Member
I don't know, Samsung gets to jump aboard the VR train without having to sink a lot of money into R&D. The Oculus team will do all the work for them. Samsung gets something out of this too.
juicyfruitas
Member
Samsung is just getting another channel to sell screens if this thing takes off. If they want to maintain their recent pace of growth they need to eventually control a software platform - which is where the real money is at. Oculus is definitely getting the better end of the deal in this partnership.
I can build it out to anything that uses the Oculus SDKs. Obviously the Note 4 is exclusive at the moment, but it won't stay that way.
It might not look all that great but it's at least being pushed by a major company in Samsung which ultimately helps Oculus. If people get into this and then the Rift comes out and shows the superior way to experience VR, it could lead to more adoption from audiences outside the core. The more companies that can offer at least decent, affordable VR, the faster we'll get to an overall better position for it.
Betta Lines
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I've not tried Ocean Rift for a while, but I don't remember it looking this detailed on DK2... did you add more plant life? Looks great anyway!I'm bringing Ocean Rift to the Gear VR.
6 minutes of footage.
(everything's procedurally animated)
It's an incredible piece of kit, can't wait to develop more stuff for it.