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Samsung: Sony Set To Slash TV/BD Players/PS3 Prices
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vantastic said:
Um, no. However, I do realize that "internet opinion" factors heavily into technology purchasing decisions with the type of consumer that buys high margin electronics. Big companies also know this and tend to try and cloud up the pool of facts with viral algae and PR piss. I am the chlorine, I kill all the bullshit in the pool, letting the water (the product, if you haven't figured it out by now) shine.
-viper- said:
A little peruse of his recent posts may tell you where his allegiances lie and could explain his raaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggeee at anything Sony related. But hey there are plenty of system warriors on both sides so one more makes no difference to the general white noise.
Fistula said:
I would have easily bought the XBR4 or the Samsung Lnt71. I wouldn't buy any non-XBR Sony, because you can generally find similar quality at a better price point. But if I wanted the best I'd go with the XBR and damn well pay for it.
Your crappity-this-crappity-overpriced-that hyperbole certainly let's us know where you stand on Sony products. Maybe you're just cheap.
Fistula said:Yup, hate Sony... check the meta data on this photo jackass, taken today? This hour? 3 minutes ago?
Ok maybe I was a little harsh with the system warrior stuff.
I probably should of said "A little peruse of his recent posts may tell you that he's just rude, confrontational and argumentative in general, so don't take it personal"
Better?
Sohter.Nura
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Hm, dunno. But if you know the price will go down soon, will you buy it at the higher price?Niblet said:
That'd be my guess.
Loving my Samsung 52A750, but you can't compare Sony W series to it. One major difference is W has 8 bit VS 10 bit panel. It's more compariable to Z or XBR6+.
People when you make TV comparison use compariable TVs. Stupid to compare lower level vs higher one. Also, each company have different tier levels. Using low tier to say company X TVs sux is also dumb.
People when you make TV comparison use compariable TVs. Stupid to compare lower level vs higher one. Also, each company have different tier levels. Using low tier to say company X TVs sux is also dumb.
H_Prestige
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Fistula said:
I'm not sure why you think I'm a viral marketer for Sony TVs, since I wouldn't want either a Samsung or Sony LCD in my home. Only I trust Sony more from a reliabilty standpoint.
I prefer direct view display technologies like plasma and OLED, which is why I own a Panny plasma. I'd even take a Samsung plasma since their picture quality this year is arguably superior to the Panny, but they have too many issues with the build quality.
Gorgon
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Fistula said:
What year model is that? Because that's a huge pile of shit you said there, if I may say so. And I can even give you measured readings from a 2008 european W4000 and compare it to measured readings on the 2008 Samsung series. Can you please tell me how did you reach those conclusions and what and how did you measure?
Gorgon
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Firestorm said:
Here in Europe it was the W4000. I thought this year's models where also named the same way. I just checked and it seems that this year's model is the 40W5500 which is the successor to the W4500. I do know there were differences between the european and american 2008 models, but nowhere near the scale of what that poster said.
Gorgon said:
You can't use the google? OK then, here you go, read away, halftone patterns are in that thread too.
gutter_trash
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competition is also another form of marketing and news makingNiblet said:
Corleth the Fey
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Did anyone in this thread actually Google 'price gouging' before they made an amateur comment on it?
Gorgon
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Fistula said:
Thank you for the link. I'm going to read it more carefully. However it seems from a cursory reading that the problem has to do with 120Hz messing up the video mode. The european models don't have 120hz. The only problem with the european models was undefeatable edge enhancement and even that was minor. The European models also had 10 bit panels, which where missing on the US models if I remember correctly. The lag that you refered to is also NOT present on the European models; in fact the W4000 is 30ms faster than any Samsung model to this day with Game Mode on.
Anyway, I'm goint to check that thread that I see is from the AVS forums in the US. I'll get back to you later.
Fistula said:
Checking out the LED ones is difficult for me, don't have much access. As for the others I only have access to the B750 and B650. What ones are those competing against in the Sony rooster?
Anyway, Sony's TVs (non-LED) from 2007 and 2008 where somewhat superior to the Samsung offerings in the same price ranges, although 2008 Samsungs where very close. I can post results of tests if you want to. For this year I haven't made any comparisons.
Gorgon
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P90 said:
Never evaluate a TV from what you see in a store, unless you like completly messed up color decoding, gray levels, etc. TVs in stores try to get your attention as much as possible over competing models and they do that by beying set to "torch mode" where the image is completely overblown.
BeeDog said:
Yeah, I fell victim to this too. Saw rave reviews of the 206BW, picked it up, only to find out I'd got one of their 'non-review' models that has a crappier panel in it... I couldn't be arsed returning it, but it would make me think twice about Samsung or, at the very least, about trusting reviews of them.
Gully State
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It's about time Sony dropped the Sony tax on all its products.
Gorgon
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Fistula:
I've read the thread. There seems to be a problem with 2008 Sony TVs regarding some kind of blur. However there is no proof whatesoever that it is downscaling the image to process it and upscaling it again. It seems that it was a processing choice by Sony to reduce macroblocking and other deficiencies in some HD material. I agree though that it should have been an option that the user could toggle on and off as desired. As it is it seems that there is a firmware update that eliminates or at least significantly reduces that "blur" effect. Some people claim it's still there others say it's gone. Hard to judge from that thread.
Anyway, I'm not aware of this "problem" in the european sets. I have a 2008 W4000; the lag you refered to is inexistent; as I said before it's 30 ms faster than any Samsung I've seen to this day. It doesn't even have a Game Mode. It doesn't have 120hz either. On the other hand it has a 10 bit panel which the US W4100 doesn't. That may also explain some things.
Have you updated your set to the latest firmware?
I've read the thread. There seems to be a problem with 2008 Sony TVs regarding some kind of blur. However there is no proof whatesoever that it is downscaling the image to process it and upscaling it again. It seems that it was a processing choice by Sony to reduce macroblocking and other deficiencies in some HD material. I agree though that it should have been an option that the user could toggle on and off as desired. As it is it seems that there is a firmware update that eliminates or at least significantly reduces that "blur" effect. Some people claim it's still there others say it's gone. Hard to judge from that thread.
Anyway, I'm not aware of this "problem" in the european sets. I have a 2008 W4000; the lag you refered to is inexistent; as I said before it's 30 ms faster than any Samsung I've seen to this day. It doesn't even have a Game Mode. It doesn't have 120hz either. On the other hand it has a 10 bit panel which the US W4100 doesn't. That may also explain some things.
Have you updated your set to the latest firmware?
gofreak said:
it same shit everywhere, i got my G800, "N95 beater" ... which was rated "best camera phone of 2008", and of course every review came with a note how "issues with preview build will surely be fixed in shipping product" and they never are, its the by far worse camera phone than K800i, lol. Not to mention that the moment i put it sd card, it drains the battery within 4hrs, on both my original phone and replacement, ooops.
And every time i bought Samsung product i had some kind of issue with it, every freaking time. Then you get all these rave reviews on forums and blogs on how their products rock
Of course, maybe i just had a lot of bad luck with samsungs
intheinbetween
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spwolf said:it same shit everywhere, i got my G800, "N95 beater" ... which was rated "best camera phone of 2008", and of course every review came with a note how "issues with preview build will surely be fixed in shipping product" and they never are, its the by far worse camera phone than K800i, lol. Not to mention that the moment i put it sd card, it drains the battery within 4hrs, on both my original phone and replacement, ooops.
And every time i bought Samsung product i had some kind of issue with it, every freaking time. Then you get all these rave reviews on forums and blogs on how their products rock
Of course, maybe i just had a lot of bad luck with samsungs
well, i'm a Sammy TV LE40M87BDX owner for two years and i'm really happy with it, no issues so far. and i'm as well a Samsung Omnia owner and i'm happy and satisfied too
maybe i just had luck with Samsungs
MWS Natural
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.Meus Renaissance said:
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It's a shame Pioneer's out of the game.
Samsung should've has their asses sued off for this shit and paid a billion fucking dollars. How the hell can you get away with something like this. Chimei panels are like a third of the price.BeeDog said:
I've only owned one Samsung phone, D900 and for what it was it was pretty good.
goldenpp72
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I have a samsung ln52a650
Best tv ever for me, beautiful, sony makes awesome tvs too though, just expensive.
Best tv ever for me, beautiful, sony makes awesome tvs too though, just expensive.
MWS Natural
Member
[Nintex] said:
It sucks so badly that Panasonic makes better TV's cheaper than Sony or Samsung yet consumers are so uneducated they still buy their LCD's.
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