That. Isn't. The. Point.
I quit.
If she put out the cigarette, she goes home with a warning. She mouthed off, he got pissy. Honestly not a single person knows what happens if she just got out of the car when he asked her too... maybe he just wanted to not have smoke coming out a window at him.
It's sad she died, but she didn't comply with cigarette request, then she refused to comply getting out of the car. At that point, is he supposed to just say "you know, just go ahead and go?"
That's what I don't get.. you can't just not comply with a police order. They ask you out, then get out.. they aren't going to have a back and forth with you all day about it, eventually they will force you out.
There's choices people make in situations, and sure the cop went full dick-mode when she got sassy with him.
The video clearly showed her not complying, then continuing to NOT comply after out of the car.
People here act like you should be allowed to be a dick to a cop, not comply, and just go on with life, because cops should just be the bigger person.
I highly doubt that he wasn't aware he was on camera. If he wanted to hide something important he would have kept it on his person or ditched it somewhere without cameras.so apparently this is floating around a bunch on twiter right now
https://twitter.com/TyreeBP/status/624389480498081792
This is a 15 second video of The offficer hiding something and throwing it away right before paramedics arrived. not sure what to make of it. not sure if anyone seen it or posted it here.
I mean, it would be weird for the cops to edit out other time points of the video but not edit out a cop disposing of a murder weapon or something.so apparently this is floating around a bunch on twiter right now
https://twitter.com/TyreeBP/status/624389480498081792
This is a 15 second video of The offficer hiding something and throwing it away right before paramedics arrived. not sure what to make of it. not sure if anyone seen it or posted it here.
People like you act like we should all lick the boots of cops and that is how they end up being like such power tripping assholes.
The cop was already a dick when he made the U-turn to go after her . . . why did he do that? What probable cause did he have? Was it because a black woman was in his town? It surely wasn't the lane-change that she had not even made yet.
And then he pulls her over because she didn't signal a lane change? Why? Was that REALLY worth his time?
And then he asks her to get out? Why? She asked why and there was no good reason . . . just him on a power-trip.
This whole thing was about NOTHING. He had no reason to go after her. She never would have made that lane change if he had not chased her. She never would have gotten cranky if he just didn't bother with the most useless infraction. And just give her a fucking ticket then! . . . but no . . . he had to escalate it. It never would have escalated further if he did not power trip with taser and pulling her out of the car. What a complete waste of our tax-dollars . . . power-tripping assholes harassing people FOR NO REASON.
The police said he acted improperly. Are you gonna argue with them?
People like you act like we should all lick the boots of cops and that is how they end up being like such power tripping assholes.
The cop was already a dick when he made the U-turn to go after her . . . why did he do that? What probable cause did he have? Was it because a black woman was in his town? It surely wasn't the lane-change that she had not even made yet.
And then he pulls her over because she didn't signal a lane change? Why? Was that REALLY worth his time?
And then he asks her to get out? Why? She asked why and there was no good reason . . . just him on a power-trip.
This whole thing was about NOTHING. He had no reason to go after her. She never would have made that lane change if he had not chased her. She never would have gotten cranky if he just didn't bother with the most useless infraction. And just give her a fucking ticket then! . . . but no . . . he had to escalate it. It never would have escalated further if he did not power trip with taser and pulling her out of the car. What a complete waste of our tax-dollars . . . power-tripping assholes harassing people FOR NO REASON.
The police said he acted improperly. Are you gonna argue with them?
This is how naive the general public is about being black in America. It's like you've never listened to any one of the thousands and thousands of stories that would tell you otherwise.She got herself arrested. She could have put out the cigarette, signed the warning or whatever and drove away.
Problem with this is he said he was placing her under arrest when she asked why she had to exit the vehicle and then refused to say what she was being arrested for which he is required to do.Not sure this is worth my time, but let me answer you.
First off, I never said lick their boots, I said you should comply with lawful orders.
He has every right to pull someone over for not signaling.. more than likely it's an excuse to run someone to see if they lack insurance, have warrants, etc.. but she didn't signal, that's a traffic offense.. are we going to argue that it's not? Is it petty, fuck yes, but it's still a law.
He asked her to get out because she gave him attitude when he was about to let her off with a warning and her refusal to put out her cigarette.
She got herself arrested. She could have put out the cigarette, signed the warning or whatever and drove away.
Want to argue the point he shouldn't have asked her go get out, go for it, but it's his right, and asking her to get out doesn't escalate anything if she didn't refuse his order.
Asking her out is NOT arresting her.
Not sure this is worth my time, but let me answer you.
First off, I never said lick their boots, I said you should comply with lawful orders.
He has every right to pull someone over for not signaling.. more than likely it's an excuse to run someone to see if they lack insurance, have warrants, etc.. but she didn't signal, that's a traffic offense.. are we going to argue that it's not? Is it petty, fuck yes, but it's still a law.
He asked her to get out because she gave him attitude when he was about to let her off with a warning and her refusal to put out her cigarette.
She got herself arrested. She could have put out the cigarette, signed the warning or whatever and drove away.
Want to argue the point he shouldn't have asked her go get out, go for it, but it's his right, and asking her to get out doesn't escalate anything if she didn't refuse his order.
Asking her out is NOT arresting her.
He didn't legally tell her why after she asked over a dozen times.Just want to let you it's really not worth your time, good post however. They are so engraved in their way of thinking. It's never anyone's fault but the officers, even if he made a legal stop and gave legal orders.
Problem with this is he said he was placing her under arrest when she asked why she had to exit the vehicle and then refused to say what she was being arrested for which he is required to do.
He asked her to get out because she gave him attitude when he was about to let her off with a warning and her refusal to put out her cigarette.
She got herself arrested. She could have put out the cigarette, signed the warning or whatever and drove away.
Watch the video again, that's not what happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaW09Ymr2BA
Watch from about 8:50 on.
He didn't legally tell her why after she asked over a dozen times.
He doesn't immediately have to tell her why. Should he have? Yes. I take the time to explain to people the law since some think they knows their rights when they really don't. I would say he went into physical contact too soon for my style of policing.
1) how do you know he was going to let her off without a warning?
2) is it illegal to smoke a cig in your car? Nope. Can a cop order you to put it out? NOPE.
3) Can the cop perceive not putting out your cig as a threat? Only if they are pretty fuckin stupid or having a power trip, Which happened here.
4) Did she get herself arrested? Nope, she knew her rights, she knew what she could or couldn't do. The cop had a power trip and arrested her because he saw her as a threat (or aggressive) for not putting out a cig while she was smoking in her car (which once again, isn't illegal)
The whole situation was handled poorly on all sides, but if the cop actually didnt have a powertrip, ALL of it wouldve been avoided.
Not sure this is worth my time, but let me answer you.
First off, I never said lick their boots, I said you should comply with lawful orders.
He has every right to pull someone over for not signaling.. more than likely it's an excuse to run someone to see if they lack insurance, have warrants, etc.. but she didn't signal, that's a traffic offense.. are we going to argue that it's not? Is it petty, fuck yes, but it's still a law.
He asked her to get out because she gave him attitude when he was about to let her off with a warning and her refusal to put out her cigarette.
She got herself arrested. She could have put out the cigarette, signed the warning or whatever and drove away.
Want to argue the point he shouldn't have asked her go get out, go for it, but it's his right, and asking her to get out doesn't escalate anything if she didn't refuse his order.
Asking her out is NOT arresting her.
You really have no clue what you are talking about on points
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Watch the video, he stated he had a warning in his hand and was going to leave it at that. Read the thread. She didn't know what she could and couldn't do.
He asked her to get out because she gave him attitude when he was about to let her off with a warning and her refusal to put out her cigarette.
She got herself arrested. She could have put out the cigarette, signed the warning or whatever and drove away.
Want to argue the point he shouldn't have asked her go get out, go for it, but it's his right, and asking her to get out doesn't escalate anything if she didn't refuse his order.
Asking her out is NOT arresting her.
Do you think he should have asked her to exit the car, escalating the situation, just because she didn't put out her cigarette? I'll even say she's a jerk for not putting out a cigarette, I hate being around smoke, but I don't see how that in any way should give the officer the right to escalate the situation and give her a hard time for something so petty.
Police are allowed to ask people to get out of their cars for reasons of officer safety when the situation calls for it. It's a power they're granted for a very specific purpose, and "sticking it to people who have annoyed me" isn't on that list.
Just want to let you it's really not worth your time, good post however. They are so engraved in their way of thinking. It's never anyone's fault but the officers, even if he made a legal stop and gave legal orders.
Probably the part where he's so amped to light her up that he doesn't answer why.Dude, stop for a second.
How is asking to just exit a vehicle escalation.
It's only escalation if the person doesn't comply.
Seriously, think about that.. how the fuck is asking someone to exit a vehicle escalation.
I mean seriously, think about that. Exiting a vehicle is NOT escalation, it's literally exiting a damn vehicle.
Dude, stop for a second.
How is asking to just exit a vehicle escalation.
It's only escalation if the person doesn't comply.
Seriously, think about that.. how the fuck is asking someone to exit a vehicle escalation.
I mean seriously, think about that. Exiting a vehicle is NOT escalation, it's literally exiting a damn vehicle.
Probably the part where he's so amped to light her up that he doesn't answer why.
This is wrong, he can have her exit for any reason, it's within his rights, and exiting a vehicle is not escalation in and of itself.
Yep!She continually refused it, he told her it's a lawful order, told her she was wrong, and she still refused.. he only got the taser out after he then tried grab her out and she resisted again.
Are you even watching the same video?
The officer even said that he was just going to let her off with a warning. The ONLY reason he asked her to exit the car was because she didn't put out her cigarette. Something she was not legally required to do. This officer, his ego bruised was now going to put this woman in her place for daring to defy him. He was going to make her exit the car and frisk her, for no reason except she didn't put out a cigarette in her own car.
YES. That is him escalating the situation.
Do you think he should have asked her to exit the car, escalating the situation, just because she didn't put out her cigarette? I'll even say she's a jerk for not putting out a cigarette, I hate being around smoke, but I don't see how that in any way should give the officer the right to escalate the situation and give her a hard time for something so petty.
You completely failed to address the fact that he made a U-turn to chase her WHEN HE HAD NO PROBABLE CAUSE.
And you are really delusional if you think he would have just given her a warning if she put out the cigarette. I mean really delusional. He chase her for no reason. He threatened to 'Light her up'. He slammed her on the ground. He arrested HER for assault . . . did he ever show any fear or apprehension in that video? Nope.
The officer even said that he was just going to let her off with a warning. The ONLY reason he asked her to exit the car was because she didn't put out her cigarette. Something she was not legally required to do. This officer, his ego bruised was now going to put this woman in her place for daring to defy him. He was going to make her exit the car and frisk her, for no reason except she didn't put out a cigarette in her own car.
YES. That is him escalating the situation.
She continually refused it, he told her it's a lawful order, told her she was wrong, and she still refused.. he only got the taser out after he then tried grab her out and she resisted again.
Are you even watching the same video?
Asking someone to exit a vehicle is not escalation unless the other party makes it so. It takes someone to be defiant for this to happen.
I can say outright he was being a dick to her after she gave him attitude, and who knows what happens if she exits the vehicle.. but more than likely it's not her being arrested.
I honestly did not realize how many people are on the police's side in this thread. I think i need to make an exit before i say something that shouldnt be said.
Yall have a good night with this.
Like I posted earlier.... Some people can't be rational.
Steven McCraw, the director of the Department of Public Safety, told reporters Tuesday that the trooper did not comply with procedure, including by failing to let Bland know what action he planned to take and by failing to be courteous and professional.
The trooper has been placed on administrative leave.
saw the video, and like i stated a few times, it came out by expert analysts the footage was edited, so unless you believe everything you hear ("malfunction") then that's on you
Dude, stop for a second.
How is asking to just exit a vehicle escalation.
It's only escalation if the person doesn't comply.
Seriously, think about that.. how the fuck is asking someone to exit a vehicle escalation.
I mean seriously, think about that. Exiting a vehicle is NOT escalation, it's literally exiting a damn vehicle.
This is wrong, he can have her exit for any reason, it's within his rights, and exiting a vehicle is not escalation in and of itself.
He didn't legally tell her why after she asked over a dozen times.
Answer me this.
What did she do to make this officer go from giving her a warning, to making her step out of the car. What LAW did she break that allowed that officer to escalate his interaction with her from a warning, to making her exit the car for a pat down?
You're right that cops are allowed to have people exit their car for no reason. AND THAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM. Cops are legally allowed to escalate situations for no reason than someone mouthing off to them.
As someone who has been fucked with cops in the past, there are good ones but the dickheads make the news.
You didn't even address what I posted... You just replied back with some conspiracy about the video being edited which A. Hasn't been proven to my knowledge (unless you can show me proof of this?) and B. Has nothing to do with what I quoted you about.
You don't know he was doing a pat down. Maybe he didn't want smoke coming in his face, maybe he was just mad she was giving a bunch of attitude, I dunno.. I'm not him.. but he was legally able to have her exit to finish the stop.
There's nothing wrong with that... what was wrong was her thinking she knew her rigsht and she didn't know them at all.
People these days watch some shit on the internet or have some friend tell them all kinds of shit about how to deal with cops and their rights, and a lot of that info is wrong.
If you're going to use the "my rights" thing with cops it's best you actually know them.
You don't know he was doing a pat down. Maybe he didn't want smoke coming in his face, maybe he was just mad she was giving a bunch of attitude, I dunno.. I'm not him.. but he was legally able to have her exit to finish the stop.
trust me i know. I know my fair share of good cops, but most of my life i dealt with bad cops who basically racially profile me constantly because i am tanned skinned (egyptian) driving around a black car (mercedes benz) with some semi tinted windows (well within the legal limit)
I dealt with 2 this week, one who claimed I stole my car despite showing my registration, proof of purchase of the car ( which i keep in my car for this very reason now) and all other materials. When I requested his supervisor comes out, he withdrew a bit, but still did it. Supervisor let me off while apologizing and saying he will report the other cop.
The other was for "illegal tints" and despite showing him proof that it isnt illegal he was prepared to arrest me. It wasnt only til his supervisor came out, in which he finally turned on his camera, pretending it was a routine traffic stop. I said it wasn't and showed the supervisor the footage i had recorded from my cellphone about it, which he said I should be on my way. However, before I was let go, the officer who had my License gave me a speeding ticket of 110 that he had already wrote when I was pulled over. I wasn't speeding and the supervisor said he will be there at court with his account when i dispute it. :/
So I may have a bit of a bias against cops, mainly because they fuck with me so many times in the past, even for following the law.
you didnt address anything. all you said was "Watch the video, he stated he had a warning in his hand and was going to leave it at that. Read the thread. She didn't know what she could and couldn't do."
if you want the proof, go look at my past posts in this thread. I posted it before. The proof is in the LA Times and NY Times as well too. It's obvious at this point you are a police by profession so I choose not to engage you despite i already refuted your points.
You don't know he was doing a pat down. Maybe he didn't want smoke coming in his face, maybe he was just mad she was giving a bunch of attitude, I dunno.. I'm not him.. but he was legally able to have her exit to finish the stop.
There's nothing wrong with that... what was wrong was her thinking she knew her rigsht and she didn't know them at all.
well when we got a cop in here which is a bit nauseating.. what can you expectI honestly did not realize how many people are on the police's side in this thread. I think i need to make an exit before i say something that shouldnt be said.
Yall have a good night with this.
So if someone annoys a cop, and does nothing more than refuse to put out a cigarette, you think a cop should be able to escalate the situation and give them a hard time? Because this cop was not going to do anything more. The ONLY reason he had her exit that car was because she refused to do something that she had no legal obligation to do.
Yes, it would have been the polite thing to do, but unless Texas has some law about smoking in your own car, she was doing nothing wrong, and if this poor cop has such a problem with smoke, then he never should have been on the street.
Cop could have sucked it up for 10 more seconds and sent her on her way. But no, he had to put the woman in her place. She defied him, and she did so legally. But supercop here wasn't going to have someone defy him. HE IS THE LAW! So out of the car she comes. For no other reason than she was legally smoking a cigarette.
Asking someone who has been pulled over to leave their vehicle is not escalating the situation.
Asking someone who has been pulled over to leave their vehicle is not escalating the situation.