HeisenbergFX4
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They have talked to Sony in prior years about bringing games to PlayStation and Sony said no.
They wanted to start with MP versions on games like Halo
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Satya Nadella talks about the future of Xbox and multiplatform: "We are very happy with what's going on in gaming"
They wanted to start with MP versions on games like Halo
XXL
Member
I wouldn't say it's entirely responsible, but it didn't help.
They probably thought the Bethesda purchase would push them forward and in reality it pushed them backwards in the console space and isn't even close to what Skyrim was on Steam.
Overall, they have spent over 80 Billion in the last few years and lost ground to Playstation, while having the most inexpensive console and giving away their games for free day 1 on a subscription. Really think about that.
This is the only viable way forward.
Competing with Steam is more of an uphill battle than competing with PlayStation and Nintendo is doing their own thing and Xbox can't do what they do.
It makes more sense to release with everyone that has their individual markets cornered at this point.
bitbydeath
Member
StereoVsn
Member
So Starfield on PS5 is Happening after all?
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I don't even give a shit about Xbox. I play on Playstation and Switch. But this constant doomposting at everything, when it kind of means nothing just doesn't do much. Yeah they want to leave the console space but in what? 10 years? 15 years?Clearly this Nutella guy is an imposter.
Topher
Gold Member
lol.....was it Jim Ryan?
StereoVsn
Member
I think it’s less leaving console space and more delivering their games to all the consoles while keeping Xbox as either enthusiast platform, streaming box or both.
bitbydeath
Member
Depends if you count a streaming box as a console or not.
XXL
Member
Until they concede from making consoles I would say no if I was Playstation as well.
It only really benefits Xbox for Playstation to release their games to a much wider audience.
If they aren't making consoles, that's a different story.
//DEVIL//
Member
Not defending or being an Xbox fanboy because I am not but I am guessing people here taking things out of content.
MS been releasing games on consoles beside Xbox for years now and they still releasing Xbox exclusive games too.
Any multiplayer game for example are just going to be making more sense when they are multi platform .
They already said they will release Activision games on Nintendo and cod plus others i am sure on PlayStation platform. It was part of the deal to close so what's new ?
Sea of theives for example make sense to go multi platform.
But I don't see them releasing Forza or gears or halo on PlayStation for example.
There will always be some selective titles to be released on other platform to make money. Just like how Sony is doing with PC. And if the Xbox had a big user base and Sony has a killer GaaS game it will make logic to release it on Xbox if the user base was there.
Console exclusives outside few from here or there for PlayStation and Xbox are long dead and gone.
You want the best of both platforms just buy a PC and wait till some games get ported with higher quality.
MS been releasing games on consoles beside Xbox for years now and they still releasing Xbox exclusive games too.
Any multiplayer game for example are just going to be making more sense when they are multi platform .
They already said they will release Activision games on Nintendo and cod plus others i am sure on PlayStation platform. It was part of the deal to close so what's new ?
Sea of theives for example make sense to go multi platform.
But I don't see them releasing Forza or gears or halo on PlayStation for example.
There will always be some selective titles to be released on other platform to make money. Just like how Sony is doing with PC. And if the Xbox had a big user base and Sony has a killer GaaS game it will make logic to release it on Xbox if the user base was there.
Console exclusives outside few from here or there for PlayStation and Xbox are long dead and gone.
You want the best of both platforms just buy a PC and wait till some games get ported with higher quality.
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Hero of Spielberg
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It's a shame you have to preface a common sense take that isn't just death riding Xbox on this board by emphatically stating that you're not an Xbox fanboy. Says it all really.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Ybarra always said they never gave an official reason but he always believed they didn’t want players on PS being forced to install XBL at the time and MS scream from the mountaintops how their XBL user base exploded in numbers
Topher
Gold Member
Forced to install XBL on PlayStation? lol.....that deal never had a chance.
gothmog
Gold Member
Sounds very "How do you do, fellow kids?" To me.
Its looking more n more like a case of....be careful what you wish for......
What if the ABK (and Bethesda) deal getting approved accelerated this multi platform plan.....
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Joshmyersbv
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You don't spend billions of dollars on company acquisitions just to leave your games on a dying platform. Playing console wars on the internet doesn't make you money and with the cost of development you need as many people to have access to your library as possible.
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It did. They are slowly breaking down the full plan. Microsoft never said in the first place that bethesda games or abk games were going to be exclusive to Xbox platforms. Even when they alluded it was a case by case basis. They seen how starfield did and hi-fi rush and I think the multiplatform idea has accelerated a bit.Its looking more n more like a case of....be careful what you wish for......
What if the ABK (and Bethesda) deal getting approved accelerated this multi platform plan.....
Sushi_Combo
Member
Alright, just waiting for the pre-order for Gears to shadowdrop soon on the Ps Store.
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Bonfires Down
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You missed that Gaf is full of wilfully delusional fanboys.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Its pretty obvious they would have to go third party if things don't turn around but it still sucks because they had all the resources to be doing better. What a sad end to an era ....
demigod
Member
MS has never released a first party game on Playstation to my knowledge.
Bud, you were being an xbox fanboy with your previous post. This isn’t about the CoD 10 year deal. This is beyond that. Sea of Thieves / Hi Fi Rush has nothing to do with CoD.
Maybe, but also why? Why buy it when you could just buy a Playstation and play Xbox and Playstation games.
Chuck Berry
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Hero of Spielberg
Member
How was I being a fanboy? I just suggested that some games would be exclusive and others wouldn't be (COD and older titles, or some GaaS for that matter). Think you're projecting a bit there 'bud'.
Actually having had a quick look at your post history I can see you're definitely projecting.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Why the hesitancy still?
The Xbox numbers simply aren’t sustainable for their first parties
Why would Sony say no? I very much look forward to playing Halo and Sea of Thieves on my PS5.
Edit - of course Sony wouldn't want XBL if that's your response. Rightly so.
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SkylineRKR
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It depends how you interpret this. MS has released games on multiple systems in the past and they were looking into a case by case basis.
On the other hand, it never made sense to me to purchase Zenimax and ABK only to limit them on Xbox platform. Those are decades old third party IP. Its like buying EA and keeping FC on a single console... it doesn't make sense business wise. I can't imagine TES 6 will be exclusive. Starfield didn't cause the wave MS needed, they were in hindsight better off with it as a multiplatform game.
Sea of Thieves I can totally see happening since its a GaaS game, such as Sony offering Destiny on Xbox.
On the other hand, it never made sense to me to purchase Zenimax and ABK only to limit them on Xbox platform. Those are decades old third party IP. Its like buying EA and keeping FC on a single console... it doesn't make sense business wise. I can't imagine TES 6 will be exclusive. Starfield didn't cause the wave MS needed, they were in hindsight better off with it as a multiplatform game.
Sea of Thieves I can totally see happening since its a GaaS game, such as Sony offering Destiny on Xbox.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i guess the "no" was about cross-play. otherwise MS should be able to publish their games anywhere they want. Right?
Luigi Mario
Member
Was it about having something like an official XBL app on PlayStation or just about users being forced to create a separate Microsoft account for their first-party titles?
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{insert code here}
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It's inevitable. You're kidding yourself if you think MS will continue to take a game with a 300M budget and restrict it to a 15M install base and game pass.
Here's my take:
Tim Stuart, Satya doesnt offer specifics about CoD deals or case by case basis. Only Phil Spencer did that AFAIK. Hell, Brad Smith said to think of CoD like Minecraft when the acquisition was first announced. Phil bringing up specific time frames is when the war of words between him and Jim Ryan started. Many ppl either dont know or choose to forget what Brad Smith initially said.
So either its MS once again having mixed messaging....or maybe the multi platform strategy is more than just CoD, older games and GaaS. Halo Infinite falls under GaaS....
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I don’t remember the details honestly it’s been years since we talked about it
Hero of Spielberg
Member
Maybe it is, but how could you glean that from Satya's comments ITT? Or is it just adding together different comments made at different stages of the acquisition and then having a guess?
//DEVIL//
Member
I am not sure what you define a first party. All MS studios are first party studios. Including Bethesda and Activision or the devs behind Minecraft . Yet many of those games are on different platforms.
Just because MS advertise their show Xbox + Bethesda + Activision as to look like a seperate entity, they really are not and they are all reporting to the same team at Xbox. It's just they have their own directive of choice of what to make or how to manage their studios within the budget allocated to them.
THE DUCK
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Why would it suck for xbros if they still bring out all games for xbox and gamepass continues? There may even still be timed exclusives.
it would have to be different comments at different stages....thats why I mentioned Brad Smith.
Phil's comments are the only one's that are the odd man out. Seems to me like Brad, Tim and Satya are all on the same page.
demigod
Member
I knew you were going to list those games, lol. There is a clause that MS cannot take Minecraft away from Playstation. Which Bethesda and Activision games released on Playstation? You talking about the ones that they already made deals with Playstation prior to buying them? C’mon son.
bitbydeath
Member
He probably already knew, a number of those guys were told about it recently and were given scripts for handling the communications.
This is a good thought,Its looking more n more like a case of....be careful what you wish for......
What if the ABK (and Bethesda) deal getting approved accelerated this multi platform plan.....
I wonder if Starfield was the catalyst to all this. It could have been Xbox's barometer of sorts--if it did well and sold consoles they would keep exclusives, etc. Since that didn't happen, maybe they changed their strategy entirely. Certainly, investors want a maximum return and considering what was spent on Activision that just cannot happen with the present Xbox sales numbers. There is no way to turn this generation around, either. I just do not see that happening in any reality.
demigod
Member
The PS2 had no other hardware competition. Their competition were 3rd parties. First party games costed $10 less.
True, every Batman needs his Joker.
Topher
Gold Member
I don't think his words are being taken out of context at all. What he said was pretty clear. Now perhaps he didn't understand the implication of what he said. If he had then perhaps he might have been more careful with his words. Or maybe he knew exactly what he was saying. Not sure.
Either way, Nadella just poured more gas on the "MS going third party fire" whether he intended to or not.
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GHG
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It's never just one thing, but it may have been the straw that broke the camels back.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Queue Phil Spencer to say something unrelated about GamePass tomorrow to appease the hold the liners.
So Nintendo don't count and I take it PC and mobile don't count either. Well, in that case....
