The Illiterati
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If I don't see any of their content....I have no need to sign up so they can sift it for me.
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"Save Our SIFTD"
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i guess. but hasn't the site been around for years now? clearly that hasn't worked well for it, not sure why you'd put that front and center on a recent promo at least
OdysseusVA
Banned
Charging for a news aggregator? I can't see where they went wrong.
This website is a bit of a sinking ship and I would question the wisdom of anyone donating given the dubious business decisions that have been taken. The insurance issue was bad enough but why was he buying super premium cameras and microphones just for web video? How does a small website justify renting an office instead of being run from home? Why is their Twitch page literally barren? Why is there nothing on their Youtube other than weekly uploads of Pachter Factor? Why the stubbornness regarding Patreon (giving them 5% is better than getting nothing at all)?
This seems like a website that could be easily sustainable if it cuts its coat according to its cloth but it has always failed to do that and it has consistently failed to leverage easily available means of growing its awareness and audience. I feel sorry for Shane but if you haven't made any money off your business in 8 months and you've wiped out your personal savings it's time to rethink your business model or call it quits, not go panhandling.
This seems like a website that could be easily sustainable if it cuts its coat according to its cloth but it has always failed to do that and it has consistently failed to leverage easily available means of growing its awareness and audience. I feel sorry for Shane but if you haven't made any money off your business in 8 months and you've wiped out your personal savings it's time to rethink your business model or call it quits, not go panhandling.
molnizzle
Member
First I've heard of this site.
but yeah. NeoGAF is also free. Except for GAF Gold, but if you're a boss who got it gifted like I did then it's still free.
but yeah. NeoGAF is also free. Except for GAF Gold, but if you're a boss who got it gifted like I did then it's still free.
ISee
Member
I mean 'not original content'. I'm willing to pay for original content but I just don't see any value in their service and the difference between neogaf and them is that neogaf is add based and not asking for my money.
Basically this I'm never going to subscribe to a website and never have when I can get essentially whatever content they have from a different source for free.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Their website says ketchup on a hotdog is a no go. That's probably their issue right there.
I feel for him, I hope he lands on his feet. I just never really agreed with the the thesis of the site, that it aggregates based on your preferences. This industry moves fast, but no so fast that I need to actively block out entire facets of it to keep up. And just because I don't play many mobile games doesn't mean I don't want to keep up.
It's not a bad idea in theory, I think the tech is interesting, it's just honestly an answer to a problem I've never once had. (edit: So I guess I do kind of think it's a not so great idea in theory)
It's not a bad idea in theory, I think the tech is interesting, it's just honestly an answer to a problem I've never once had. (edit: So I guess I do kind of think it's a not so great idea in theory)
OrbitalBeard
Member
SIFTD is like the Wii U. It's a a fundamentally undesirable product at its core and nothing is going to save it long-term.
Not trying to be mean at all. I wish something like this could be successful, but it's not going to happen.
Not trying to be mean at all. I wish something like this could be successful, but it's not going to happen.
Wireframe
Member
That's fine the site certainly isn't for everyone. It saves me considerable time and for me time saved is worth the money.
Yeah, you make good points. No one gives Easy Allies shit for making $50K a month and still working from home with less-than-perfect equipment
xabbott
Member
I've only watched a few shows from the site. I think the last time I tried to listen to a podcast, maybe some e3 stuff it was behind a paywall.
I support three videogame sites/shows so I don't have an issue with paying. However, most of the time what was being pitched when I did catch a show was the site itself, the news aggregator. I always thought it was a very hard product to sell. I used an RSS reader for years and eventually twitter/FB kind killed that for me.
I don't know much about the staff there. I'm not saying they have to go full personality/merch/Patreon route. Whatever they do though they need something to get fans from the larger videogame audience.
Giant Bomb had quick looks. Kinda Funny had Greg Miller being a shameless promoter on every videogame event for what felt like a year or two. EZA went for a strong Twitch presence and brought back the Jones narrated reviews.
SIFTD's biggest exposure to the wider videogame audience was Pachter. However every time he got quoted it just pushed him as a brand, not SIFTD. Even in the videos themselves, outside of Pachter mentioning the site and sometimes interacting with someone off camera, it seems to have little to no relation to the site itself.
Anyway, it's probably not useful feedback now but I hope they find their way.
I support three videogame sites/shows so I don't have an issue with paying. However, most of the time what was being pitched when I did catch a show was the site itself, the news aggregator. I always thought it was a very hard product to sell. I used an RSS reader for years and eventually twitter/FB kind killed that for me.
I don't know much about the staff there. I'm not saying they have to go full personality/merch/Patreon route. Whatever they do though they need something to get fans from the larger videogame audience.
Giant Bomb had quick looks. Kinda Funny had Greg Miller being a shameless promoter on every videogame event for what felt like a year or two. EZA went for a strong Twitch presence and brought back the Jones narrated reviews.
SIFTD's biggest exposure to the wider videogame audience was Pachter. However every time he got quoted it just pushed him as a brand, not SIFTD. Even in the videos themselves, outside of Pachter mentioning the site and sometimes interacting with someone off camera, it seems to have little to no relation to the site itself.
Anyway, it's probably not useful feedback now but I hope they find their way.
Hey if they made 50k they'd get an office to work from and would be able to produce more content with better production values. I hope they get there soon...
Sola Scriptura
Member
The main issue is that there seems to be very little benefit to subscribing at all. It was a neat idea, but I'm not sure there ever will be enough demand for a content aggregator. I mean, how many people out there literally consume so much gaming media daily that they would actually need an aggregator for it?
I was going to post a snarky gif but after reading what Shane wrote on the website, that just wouldn't do.
Where do I even start here?
First off, just because you use something that you created everyday, doesn't mean others will. You have some personal investment in it. Also are you paying a subscription to use it? Would you? Try not to let personal feelings get into the equation here. They can cloud judgement.
Second off, if you care about the site so much maybe it's time you started to make some hard decisions rather than asking for a bailout again. Perhaps move to a new location with reasonable rent? Perhaps move to a more affordable city? Maybe look at not making this your full time job? New ways of revenue generation on the website? There are people that change their entire way of living to make their dream of being an entrepreneur work, and they still fail. I think that's the thing that bothers me about this the most. Asking for help due to poor decision making.
And I attribute poor decision making to this snippet right here:
Are you kidding me? A few thousand more?! Not many people may know this, but that's a lot!! But even then, it will just be enough to cover expenses?! Have you taken an introductory business class in your life? So you still won't be paying yourself a wage and you assume this extra revenue will bring in more users due to new content generation? Do you have evidence of that? And you say "continual" like it will never stop. What have you been smoking? There is no continual new customers in any business. There are a finite number of people in the world and there's only a very small percentage that may want to consume your product. So let's not misuse words to further our agenda here.
There are billion dollar brands that face the issue of product stagnation and customer acquisition simply due market demand. Gaining a few thousand subscribers will not produce long term gains ESPECIALLY if you're saying that it be "enough to cover expenses". That's just bad business and a warning sign that you have no clue what you've gotten yourself into.
What i'm simply saying here is this. Don't lie to people and tell them that by giving you money, the site will survive. It will tread water for a few months until another plea for more money. If it's not profitable, change the way you do business, change the product, lower your expenses. But don't claim that with a bit more money you can make it work.
"Our cause..." Fuck me.
You're a video game website. What cause!?!?!?!?!
So as not to sound too harsh. I'm pretty sure you have a wife and kids. Do what is best for your family. Don't go into debt, or further debt because of pride or some unrealistic version of a dream job. We've seen how difficult it is today to make a video game website work, let alone a private website with no corporate or ad backing.
I really wish you the best, but not if it's on the backs of people who might be contributing to a dying dream.
Where do I even start here?
First off, just because you use something that you created everyday, doesn't mean others will. You have some personal investment in it. Also are you paying a subscription to use it? Would you? Try not to let personal feelings get into the equation here. They can cloud judgement.
Second off, if you care about the site so much maybe it's time you started to make some hard decisions rather than asking for a bailout again. Perhaps move to a new location with reasonable rent? Perhaps move to a more affordable city? Maybe look at not making this your full time job? New ways of revenue generation on the website? There are people that change their entire way of living to make their dream of being an entrepreneur work, and they still fail. I think that's the thing that bothers me about this the most. Asking for help due to poor decision making.
And I attribute poor decision making to this snippet right here:
Are you kidding me? A few thousand more?! Not many people may know this, but that's a lot!! But even then, it will just be enough to cover expenses?! Have you taken an introductory business class in your life? So you still won't be paying yourself a wage and you assume this extra revenue will bring in more users due to new content generation? Do you have evidence of that? And you say "continual" like it will never stop. What have you been smoking? There is no continual new customers in any business. There are a finite number of people in the world and there's only a very small percentage that may want to consume your product. So let's not misuse words to further our agenda here.
There are billion dollar brands that face the issue of product stagnation and customer acquisition simply due market demand. Gaining a few thousand subscribers will not produce long term gains ESPECIALLY if you're saying that it be "enough to cover expenses". That's just bad business and a warning sign that you have no clue what you've gotten yourself into.
What i'm simply saying here is this. Don't lie to people and tell them that by giving you money, the site will survive. It will tread water for a few months until another plea for more money. If it's not profitable, change the way you do business, change the product, lower your expenses. But don't claim that with a bit more money you can make it work.
"Our cause..." Fuck me.
You're a video game website. What cause!?!?!?!?!
So as not to sound too harsh. I'm pretty sure you have a wife and kids. Do what is best for your family. Don't go into debt, or further debt because of pride or some unrealistic version of a dream job. We've seen how difficult it is today to make a video game website work, let alone a private website with no corporate or ad backing.
I really wish you the best, but not if it's on the backs of people who might be contributing to a dying dream.
GameFace a show they've done 95 episodes of. all start by streaming on Twitch and then its uploaded to SIFTD (pronounced) sifted. "(of material) having been passed through a sieve." they do a show on twitch every week. Shane Had a Hang out where he played Destiny 2 while streaming on Twitch.
Video games was just the Trojan Horse to get people on the site. but the bigger plan was to get into movies and sports, I think Comic Books.
ItsTheNew
I believe any game made before 1997 is "essentially cave man art."
Not to shit on this site too much, but it seems basically useless. It's a news aggregator, right? Considering all the big sites basically have the same stories (specifically, IGN) and every small news story is basically posted on GAF, what's the point? Like, if I wanted to know when the beastcast went up I'd pull up my podcast app.
Yep EA have always had the right idea. SIFTD is stuck with a PS2 era video game website mindset while EA leverages Twitch, Youtube, podcasting and Patreon to their full potential to grow their audience and have multiple revenue streams.
Harsh but not unfair.
It helps they have people with personalities that every viewer likes. Websites with subscriptions just won't really work anymore. In all honesty with sites like IGN and GameSpot people have loyalty to them and the news from those sites got to whatever people feel comfortable with to get it funneled to them directly.
I have GAF, Twitter and PS4 Reddit to see the game news fast and easy. The name never helped the site, subs need to go and a rebranding of it. It needs a new name with more people with better experience to set up a Patreon and make it available to everyone.
NeOak
Member
Why are you breaking rules 1 & 2 of GAF Gold?
SIFTED he obviously wanted to trademark the company what is a Blu-ray?
sift·ed
sift
examine (something) thoroughly so as to isolate that which is most important or useful.
separate something, especially something to be discarded, from something else.
xabbott
Member
Yea, just checked even old episodes of the podcast are locked. Such a weird marketing decision.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
I only learned about Siftd through EZA and the one time I tried to see if I'd like it enough there were too many immediate hurdles in my way to even become able to assess if I'd want to support it. People already mentioned stuff like the nonexistent schedule but I also don't think it's that great to paywall their podcast given that's the avenue where you push your personality? I feel like it would have probably made more sense to paywall Pachter Factor instead but probably there's a good reason it isn't.
Dunno I subscribe to EZA and most of anything there is free and I don't mind cause I want to support content I like. For Siftd I never even got to the point beyond Pachter Factor which seems good just not for me and not a draw thus I remain clueless.
Also I'm registration shy so I'm not going to register for a free month unless I know I'm interested. That was a big hurdle for me with patreon as well.
In any case I wish them the best and hope they can continue. I often hear Shane is a great guy and I hope good people succeed.
Dunno I subscribe to EZA and most of anything there is free and I don't mind cause I want to support content I like. For Siftd I never even got to the point beyond Pachter Factor which seems good just not for me and not a draw thus I remain clueless.
Also I'm registration shy so I'm not going to register for a free month unless I know I'm interested. That was a big hurdle for me with patreon as well.
In any case I wish them the best and hope they can continue. I often hear Shane is a great guy and I hope good people succeed.
I've been a member of SIFTD.net since the start. I used to open up 19 different video game sites in 19 different tabs. Now I go to siftd and read all the content there. watch videos embedded into the site. I use the forums I comment on articles. Every Thursday I watch GameFace on Twitch.tv has they stream it live. sometimes I forget and miss the start the show is usually uploaded to siftd.net by the end of the day so I can re-watch any part I missed.
I use the above topics to get just articles or videos of specific topic. every single website you could think of is grabbed and put in your SIFT depending on your preferences.
I also use the 24, 48 and Raw options to get more articles. if I go to raw I will see everything not just the things I selected in my preferences
I use the above topics to get just articles or videos of specific topic. every single website you could think of is grabbed and put in your SIFT depending on your preferences.
I also use the 24, 48 and Raw options to get more articles. if I go to raw I will see everything not just the things I selected in my preferences
I only learned about Easy Allies through SIFTD.
I have been a FAN of IGN since I was in high school back then they were called n64.com then ign64.com then just IGN.
Now I don't have to visit IGN anymore I just visit one site. Too many people have left IGN over the years its not the same.
I have been a FAN of IGN since I was in high school back then they were called n64.com then ign64.com then just IGN.
Now I don't have to visit IGN anymore I just visit one site. Too many people have left IGN over the years its not the same.
Horse Armour
Member
Hmmm??
You signed up for neogaf back in May 2013 and siftd was launched in 2015.
Do you work for them or something?
Simply Sami
Member
I'm a sub but don't use it much.
Shane has had a shitty past year. First his sister and father dying in a crash. Then getting robbed and his good mate Marcus having a heart attack.
Hope he makes it.
Shane has had a shitty past year. First his sister and father dying in a crash. Then getting robbed and his good mate Marcus having a heart attack.
Hope he makes it.
Simply Sami
Member
Because that's not really a good investment from both sides. Shane needs subs not donations. Subs mean he can create more content. All Patcher could be doing is giving him marketing money which at the moment wouldn't look a good investment.
I do not work for them. I am a Paying Subscriber.
legacyzero
Banned
I think it's just as much a bad site idea for modern times as most people who are aware of him just don't like Shane Satterfield. Pretty much made GT 100% a better place after he left, and was INSUFFERABLE on The Bonus round. I just don't think people liked him.
It also didn't help that he tried to kick this off with Marcus Beer, who was also pretty well disliked. I remember watching their first-ish video podcasts and it was fully body, deep-core cringe for me. https://youtu.be/WRlxX7BXf8g
I thinks there's a reason why Easy Allies took off and are doing so well. A better site, better people, better content, and better schedule.
And hell, Pachter could always make guest appearances on Kinda Funny and EZA instead.
It also didn't help that he tried to kick this off with Marcus Beer, who was also pretty well disliked. I remember watching their first-ish video podcasts and it was fully body, deep-core cringe for me. https://youtu.be/WRlxX7BXf8g
I thinks there's a reason why Easy Allies took off and are doing so well. A better site, better people, better content, and better schedule.
And hell, Pachter could always make guest appearances on Kinda Funny and EZA instead.
I guess they seriously need to rethink their business model. I only hear of that site when they have financial troubles and when trying to see what's even on the site, everything is blocked by their paywall. Doesn't help either that their name starts with S and ends with TD (S_TD).
I'd visit their page if they had some cat movies:
I'd visit their page if they had some cat movies:
People post what does SITFD have to do with gaming. what does NeoGAF have to do with gaming its just some made up name that could be trade marked. NeoGAF doesn't scream gaming. NeoGAF says Believe underneath Believe in what? There is no NeoGaf in the dictionary unless you count the urban dictionary
SIFTED or SIFT. Shane Didn't want to put Gaming in the title. just like Easy Allies Brendon Jones didn't want to have gaming in the title. because they want to talk about more then just games. Brendon Jones was on GameFace as a Special Guest when Usual host Matt was on holidays. Both Brendon and Shane are from GameTrailers.com
Blu-ray is just a made up word so they could trade mark it. There are many people who don't know that it means blue ray. which is a description of the type of laser it uses.
SIFTED or SIFT. Shane Didn't want to put Gaming in the title. just like Easy Allies Brendon Jones didn't want to have gaming in the title. because they want to talk about more then just games. Brendon Jones was on GameFace as a Special Guest when Usual host Matt was on holidays. Both Brendon and Shane are from GameTrailers.com
Blu-ray is just a made up word so they could trade mark it. There are many people who don't know that it means blue ray. which is a description of the type of laser it uses.
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