ShockingAlberto
Member
So, uh, what was the reason in the first place? The statement implies that while there are no further plans to do so, there were plans before? It wasn't a mistake, it was actually intentional?
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Sega is shutting down Youtube channels for their new game. Exciting!
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Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Wholesale IP theft is completely different.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
It would seem that way. I'm getting a "Oops, sorry, we have decided it is best to only spit in the face of Japanese fans" vibe since that is where the new Shining games are being released. It's nice to know it is safe to post videos, but the communication here is still lacking.
sixteen-bit
Member
Only Japan or only Sega?
Only Japan I presume, because meanwhile, the Western branches of Sega are perfectly happy with letting the fans spit in their faces over Colonial Marines on YouTube (how else would we have gotten that GIF?), completely free of repercussions.
What's up with that Japanese xenophobic attitude?
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Eh?
daninthemix
Member
No more Sega bullying? Hot diggity!
Time to post these then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VX73iGIt9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAwt380VzgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4IhG8-52aw
Time to post these then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VX73iGIt9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAwt380VzgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4IhG8-52aw
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I think there's a lot of people still waiting in the queue since the last batch of approvals.
According to the Nintendomination dude, Nintendo looks to be getting into the YouTube copyright business...
https://twitter.com/TiLMEN
https://twitter.com/TiLMEN
Ironic given how well they nailed the concept of DLC in such a short time.
According to the Nintendomination dude, Nintendo looks to be getting into the YouTube copyright business...
https://twitter.com/TiLMEN
Wow, seriously? Fuck off Nintendo.
So nintendo does in fact do what sega does?According to the Nintendomination dude, Nintendo looks to be getting into the YouTube copyright business...
https://twitter.com/TiLMEN
According to the Nintendomination dude, Nintendo looks to be getting into the YouTube copyright business...
https://twitter.com/TiLMEN
i made a thread about this crap the other day because some of my videos got this.
and in my case, it was just a normal gameplay video. not music added or uploaded on its own.
Can you link to the thread please?
nm, found it:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=524895&highlight=
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Man I sure hope it doesn't end to what I fear.
(Note: I just want to discuss the legal stuff, no investment in SF or what Sega are doing here, also I am not a lawyer, just have some experience here)
A few people have mentioned fair use as a defense against claims of copyright infringement, but my understanding is that this doesn't usually hold water. For one thing, fair use isn't defined the same way in every country, and the definition from the country of origin of the IP holder might take precedent. Japan in particular doesn't really have robust legislation supporting fair use like the oft-cited 17 USC 107 section.
Also, fair use isn't just something you can claim like a get-out-of-jail-free card. You need to make proper attribution and be using a limited portion of the original work, like quoting text in a book review or using a short clip from a film in a video work discussing cinematography techniques. Which part you use also matters: there was a famous case of (I think) a newspaper book review quoting a very short part of a famous person's autobiography but as it was one of the juiciest revelations in the book, the publisher sued and won the case that it wasn't fair use because it significantly damaged the commercial viability of the original book. In other words, they quoted the part that was demonstrably one of the main reasons people might have bought the book. You can see how this can start to apply to Let's Play-ing an entire game on YouTube: it's at the discretion of a particular developer or publisher to decide if showing their game off like that is of value to them.
It doesn't matter whether or not you make money from your video, or whether you think you're giving them free publicity, as the copyright holder is entitled to control how their work is used and may not want your particular brand of publicity. (Edit: personally, I think they should leave small-time users who are clearly enamoured with a game alone...)
Anyway, if I'm completely wrong about anything then it would be great to hear from someone more knowledgeable!
A few people have mentioned fair use as a defense against claims of copyright infringement, but my understanding is that this doesn't usually hold water. For one thing, fair use isn't defined the same way in every country, and the definition from the country of origin of the IP holder might take precedent. Japan in particular doesn't really have robust legislation supporting fair use like the oft-cited 17 USC 107 section.
Also, fair use isn't just something you can claim like a get-out-of-jail-free card. You need to make proper attribution and be using a limited portion of the original work, like quoting text in a book review or using a short clip from a film in a video work discussing cinematography techniques. Which part you use also matters: there was a famous case of (I think) a newspaper book review quoting a very short part of a famous person's autobiography but as it was one of the juiciest revelations in the book, the publisher sued and won the case that it wasn't fair use because it significantly damaged the commercial viability of the original book. In other words, they quoted the part that was demonstrably one of the main reasons people might have bought the book. You can see how this can start to apply to Let's Play-ing an entire game on YouTube: it's at the discretion of a particular developer or publisher to decide if showing their game off like that is of value to them.
It doesn't matter whether or not you make money from your video, or whether you think you're giving them free publicity, as the copyright holder is entitled to control how their work is used and may not want your particular brand of publicity. (Edit: personally, I think they should leave small-time users who are clearly enamoured with a game alone...)
Anyway, if I'm completely wrong about anything then it would be great to hear from someone more knowledgeable!
Never heard of this game.
Maybe I would have or maybe I'd buy it if someone could send me a youtube link to some gameplay.
Sega's own fault I haven't bought a game with their name on it in fucking ages.
95% of the time if I'm going to buy, hell even when I'm going to rent a game I check GB for a quicklook, and if not I'll check youtube for a LP.
If there is neither? Probably going to not bother and then quickly forget the game ever existed.
Maybe I would have or maybe I'd buy it if someone could send me a youtube link to some gameplay.
Sega's own fault I haven't bought a game with their name on it in fucking ages.
95% of the time if I'm going to buy, hell even when I'm going to rent a game I check GB for a quicklook, and if not I'll check youtube for a LP.
If there is neither? Probably going to not bother and then quickly forget the game ever existed.
The smart ones are actively using youtube and twitch streamers as free marketing
The dumb ones are aggressively attacking their most ardent fans
Japan is just more anal about usage rights in general. Any clip from Japanese TV uploaded to Youtube is usually removed by the TV station within a couple of days. I don't know what the situation is now, but in the early 2000s, some Japanese game publishers were going after any Japanese gaming site that attempted to post screenshots of their games.
According to the Nintendomination dude, Nintendo looks to be getting into the YouTube copyright business...
https://twitter.com/TiLMEN
Doesn't necessarily mean they're going to have videos taken down, just that they're laying claim to their content, so to speak. The Rock Band: Harmonies Project channel has about 200 videos uploaded with only two blocked (well, it was three, one I successfully dispute under Fair Use criteria for Canada, but I just let the other two go). I've had to acknowledge they're someone else's content, and Germany gets boned because lol licencing, but they're up there for most of my audience.
sechsterangriff
Member
I guess someone from SEGA West still retains some common sense (whoa!) and even managed to share some with the Japanese HQ (who I bet relunctly accepted but still managed to do their thing blocking videos in Japan) .
scytheavatar
Member
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Welp, that is desheartining as interesting.
Azure Dream
Member
I'm glad Sega has finally presented a statement on the matter, I was just thinking the other day about how it bothered me how I'd heard nothing since, and I presumed the matter was going to be forgotten.
It may be out of their control, Japanese parent company and all. I'm impressed they put their foot down solidly enough to make this statement and apology.
Someone presumably at Sega's Japanese side is still a massive idiot, but I'm glad the US/EU side is trying to make up for it and protect against it in the future.
My guess is that Sega of Japan genuinely failed to recognize it as a potential problem, that it was just regular marketting to clean up the videos of older games so the newer ones could be highlighted. Ignoring those aren't videos they made even if they're made based on properties they own (nevermind vicdoes that may only MENTION said property, not actually show anything), or that they could get people permanently banned for this or at least have permanent black marks on those Youtube accounts.
It's like you pound one nail down only for another to pop up!According to the Nintendomination dude, Nintendo looks to be getting into the YouTube copyright business...
https://twitter.com/TiLMEN
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
So uhhhh
apparently this is happening to Bayonetta videos now
Some of my favorite players are losing tons of content from years ago
apparently this is happening to Bayonetta videos now
Some of my favorite players are losing tons of content from years ago
Bayo 2 release date incoming? I'm OK with this.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Riposte
Member
On the bright side, I don't think they are touching nico right? So we can always rebuild the library of crazy Bayonetta videos.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
There are some talented english speaking players that operate primarily on youtube and those are the people I'm really referring to
Azure Dream
Member
If this is the case, Sega's right back to square one. (Unless it's a third party filing notices to troll or something, which isn't uncommon for YouTube. But why would I not be surprised if Sega didn't learn their lesson on the subject...)
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Really? That's odd. I have some videos from the Bayonetta demo but all I noticed is that Sega claimed copyright on the audio - seems a lot of game developers are doing that now, too, as Nintendo and Capcom did the same (for Super Mario Galaxy and RE5 videos I have up).
My videos were flagged, but not in a way that forces me to take them down - I just acknowledge that yes, they use music produced by their respective companies, and that means there are now ads on those videos and whatever proceeds go directly to Sega or whoever the publisher is.
I've deleted two of the Bayonetta videos (they weren't very popular anyway), but I'm leaving one up just because I write for a Sega-centric news site and I want to see what happens.