Messofanego
Banned
Expected news, but still sad. Meanwhile people fund all sorts of derivative nonsense super fast. Sigh.
Is that a stab at recent highly successful pixel art 2D kickstarter games?
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"Shadow of the Eternals" Development Halted...
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Is that a stab at recent highly successful pixel art 2D kickstarter games?
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
He's calling you salty. It's not that particularly hard to get.
Also echoing what everybody else said; they really shouldn't have involved Dyack (or at least should have kept his involvement a secret), but even ignoring that aspect there were several other questionable aspects of the multiple fundraisers they had that made me second guess throwing any money their way.
Also echoing what everybody else said; they really shouldn't have involved Dyack (or at least should have kept his involvement a secret), but even ignoring that aspect there were several other questionable aspects of the multiple fundraisers they had that made me second guess throwing any money their way.
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
It looked absolutely shit. Glad it's not getting finished.
This is coming from a Eternal Darkness diehard.
This is coming from a Eternal Darkness diehard.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
None of this is really about me, and I'm not going to be the one to get personal about it. Though I believe last time I was labelled bitter and this time salty. Progress? **shrug**
I will say that I had been all about catching flies with honey here, during their campaign, and I did, mostly, but I also caught a bunch of shit, too.
Whatever, I just wanted the game, as it was shown, developed into a full thing.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/u55/u55-end-of-the-line
I thought this one should have been funded too.
Well supposedly this was the team that made the crappy Wii X-Men game. Correct me if I'm wrong. Add the Dyack element whose last grand vision was not very ah... Well it ended up in a sad state with no legal right to even exist in the end.
I wasn't exactly seeing all that potential that some people are insisting is there.
I LOVED Eternal Darknes, but there was too much reason to be skeptical about this Shadows project.
I wasn't exactly seeing all that potential that some people are insisting is there.
I LOVED Eternal Darknes, but there was too much reason to be skeptical about this Shadows project.
That's how I feel. Even without the Neogaf drama there was the legal issues and the whole thing didn't quite sit right with me. I'd rather take the chance on something either lower end or from more reliable developers. Heck, I don't think any Kickstarter was as high end as this was, it probably would've needed outside funding anyway.
A lot of people have been resorting to Kickstarter because it ISN'T that simple, especially in today's AAA Western market. It's absurd how safe many want to be anymore, while cracks are forming there it's probably not fast enough for something like this.
You played the demo at one of the events they were at?
I was really looking forward to this, hopefully they get a chance in the future to revisit this project.
If Nintendo doesn't want to do it, then who else would ?
Might be hard after two failed KS attempts. And the Silicon stigma.
Honestly I didn't support it because I don't even know what people saw in Eternal Darkness... so hyping up a "spiritual successor" didn't really play to my values (at least, I think it was a sort of spiritual successor, am I wrong?). Clunky as shit game where the main draw was the sanity effects, and so I ended up playing the game as if it was some farce where the whole point was simply to try to play as long as possible as an insane idiot just so I can see whatever the next goofy shit was that Silicon Knights programmed into the game to try to "surprise" me or making me nervous.
Problem is, since the game was based around this sanity shit, not only was it never surprising, but it actually actively conditions you to expect it.
Then, if you're not into that aspect, you're just got a game obsessed with making poor Lovecraft references and having awkward, painfully unfun gameplay.
So that's why I couldn't support this... "For or Against" Dennis Dyack really couldn't factor into this decision, but the history behind it was more or less a final nail in the coffin.
Problem is, since the game was based around this sanity shit, not only was it never surprising, but it actually actively conditions you to expect it.
Then, if you're not into that aspect, you're just got a game obsessed with making poor Lovecraft references and having awkward, painfully unfun gameplay.
So that's why I couldn't support this... "For or Against" Dennis Dyack really couldn't factor into this decision, but the history behind it was more or less a final nail in the coffin.
polyh3dron
Banned
At the end of the day, as much as people wanna try to change the script, what sent this to its doom was that no one truly cared about this, not Dyack, no shady stuff, no hate campaign, just apathy.
I think this is a good thing in a way, maybe SK will focus on doing new interesting stuff.
I think this is a good thing in a way, maybe SK will focus on doing new interesting stuff.
Ivieto1138
Banned
For some reason, this news makes me happy. Good.
From who I spoke to, it was shopped around. Everyone is too safe right now. This isn't a corridor shooter or "cinematic" third person game. Being an unproven studio makes it 600000 times more difficult. That's why Nintendo, despite providing blessings, did not outright fund it.
I think there IS appeal to it, but a lot of the most successful came from developers with strong reputations, aimed low, and made games that weren't really being made. This failed the first two, and even the third may've been a miss too given some of the indie stuff coming out lately although at least that may've held water still. Something like Mighty No. 9 had a $900,000 and looks WAY lower end than this, so that really begs into question how far they really would've gone with Shadow of the Eternals.
Maybe they'll realize they need to aim for a lower scale game and just go with that, then work up. Part of the reason western AAA's as safe as it is IS because these kinds of games can cost a lot of money. The other angle would probably be that even if they were to go way lower budget there's different value expectations and the earnings may be too slim to spend time with, this seems to actually be part of the reason EA's the way it is.
This is far too extreme a view...I'm as excited about Ghost Song and Hyper Light Drifter as much as anyone...but there is some grain of truth to it. People see pitches that evoke nostalgia for their favorite games of yesteryear, and the floodgates open. It's why games like Mighty No. 9 and Shovel Knight and "Inspired by Dark Souls" projects are generally extremely successful, whereas more novel projects that don't have an immediate "It's like this!" tagline are more difficult to fund.Expected news, but still sad. Meanwhile people fund all sorts of derivative nonsense super fast. Sigh.
I was aware of this and cheated by making Wil Wheaton appear in my Kickstarter video. I have no idea if I would have succeeded without his intervention, but it would be far from a sure thing. Voice controls are risky. = D
I think that's a bingo.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Based on their wording, I'm sorta wondering if Precursor was an informal organization and now they're all separating to different jobs
Its a matter of people wanting something that they want and unfortunately for SK a Megaman clone spearheaded by the guy responsible for many of Capcom's bad choices is gonna have more appeal than adventure-horror game exploring Lovecraftian themes spearheaded by another guy that made bad choices.
I would have backed it but I cant trust their reputation, but I don't think rep is that much important for most potential backers, their pitch was great, the goal was attainable, the game looked interesting, people simply did not care.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
God does not want this game to exist.
This is bizarre.
So you don't even fall under the reasons you think this failed over the Dyack reason.
Weltall Zero
Member
I didn't like Eternal Darkness and wasn't looking forward to this, but I still think the world is a worse place for this cancellation and am sad for it. I know that this would have made a lot of people very happy.
I can't understand how some people fail to see that more games and particularly more games in different styles is unequivocally a good thing, whether those games are for you or not.
I can't understand how some people fail to see that more games and particularly more games in different styles is unequivocally a good thing, whether those games are for you or not.
Well, seeing Capcom after he left I do wonder just how bad his decisions really were relatively. But yeah, admittedly scorn over how Capcom's treated Megaman post-Inafune would be a big factor making people want to back MN9 more.
I think it's more he expects we're the exception rather than the norm. The truth probably is somewhere in between, that Truth & Trolls Kickstarter still got a lot of money and passed, but I imagine a better reputation with the core audience would've been the spark that could've gotten Shadow of the Eternals to really kick off.
Of course it's done. If you can't even reach your crowd funding goal where else is the money going to come from? Every possible publisher would look at this and not give it a chance.
Personally it doesn't bother me. Like Amirox I don't get the cult of Eternal Darkness. I think it's an incredibly overrated game. Add to that the shitty track record if SK and I don't know who in their right mind would want to fund this.
Personally it doesn't bother me. Like Amirox I don't get the cult of Eternal Darkness. I think it's an incredibly overrated game. Add to that the shitty track record if SK and I don't know who in their right mind would want to fund this.
Finally a sane response to Eternal Darkness. The only way to actually see the sanity effects in Eternal Darkness is to purposely let your sanity meter go down. It's such a poorly conceived system. For the most part the rest of the game was middling at best too.
reptilescorpio
Member
Interest wasn't high enough, so no game even after they reined in the scope for the second attempt.
The IP is strong enough to pop up again in the future though, if the stars align.
The IP is strong enough to pop up again in the future though, if the stars align.
Like I said, rep is not important to most potential backers, I dont see myself or other people here as the bulk of the KS users.
SuperAndroid17
Member
Nintendo should have picked this up and allowed them to call it Eternal Darkness 2...cause you know...Wii U needs fucking games.
IrgendwasmitRot
Member
Schadenfreude? Wtf?
The amount they were asking for is also part of the problem. They managed to get their second kickstarter up to 300,000, I think. Unfortunately they wanted over 700,000. It a shame, I liked the look of it, I even chucked 50 bucks in for the kickstarter.
By the time they get it out they'd probably have plenty of their own, such as Monolith's next game. Probably not worth investing in at that point, especially since the turmoil with Silicon Knights kept it from coming sooner rather than later anyway.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I still think they need to aim lower to begin with. Release a couple of low-cost, high-quality 2D games. Build some faith in the Precursor name, and dispel people's concerns about Dyack. I think there's great potential there and clearly they're very passionate, but asking for $1.5 million and then $700k is just too much for a new studio. Don't use Cryengine 3 and aim a bit lower at first.
Yea, as many have pointed out, Shadows of the Eternal was doomed the second Denis Dyack's name was attached to it. Too many burnt bridges and hurt feelings from the Crowdsroucing set.
francisnobleman
Banned
they should focus on smaller scale projects first for digital platforms instead of going for this quasi AAA out of the gate with a new baby company.
Also, Denis doesn't have much of a good recent track record, so I understand some major players in the industry are hesitant about giving him money.
Also, Denis doesn't have much of a good recent track record, so I understand some major players in the industry are hesitant about giving him money.
ArchangelWest
Member
Maybe they'll strike a deal with Nintendo and just go ahead and make it an E.D. sequel after all. Best case scenario imo.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
This is why I'll never support any game via crowd funding. There is a very real chance that the project will fail and they can turn round and say "Ah well it didn't work, we are closing up shop. You can't have your money back because we fulfilled the small print, too bad".