Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Kickstarter doesn't take your money until the project is funded... -_-
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"Shadow of the Eternals" Development Halted...
- Thread starter Imbarkus
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Chance Hale
Member
Development was halted because they didn't reach their kickstarter goal so they didn't get any money and subsequently can't continue. Kickstarter does not give any money to the project creator until the end of the project deadline and only if they reached their funding goal. Look into such things before being so dismissive.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. They aren't able to make the game because they DIDN'T fulfill their Kickstarter goals, so they got no money from crowdfunding.
Assuming instead that this is operating under the assumption a game can meet its funding goals but get canned anyway: this is why you have to have a discerning eye and consider whether they are promising the moon or it's something that's reasonably feasible. It's why interesting little games, retro-style throwbacks, and more ambitious yet sub-AAA projects from renown developers get funded more reliably.
There's still a gamble, yes, but it's a combination of calculated risks and having a bit of faith in seeing something you like once more if not something new entirely that won't work on an AAA budget.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
If they'd self funded a more modest product they'd be well on their way to being done right now and having something to sell in the marketplace to re-establish a profit making studio.
This is why nobody trusted them with crowd funded money because they are not smart people. Just like several other of the actually successful "whoops we run out of money" Kickstarters, the last few years have been a window into the shit publishers have to put up with and why certain teams of people just aren't on their "give money to fuck up again" list.
This is why nobody trusted them with crowd funded money because they are not smart people. Just like several other of the actually successful "whoops we run out of money" Kickstarters, the last few years have been a window into the shit publishers have to put up with and why certain teams of people just aren't on their "give money to fuck up again" list.
Brianimaniac
Banned
There's risk involved in any game purchase, crowd-funded or not. If I go buy a copy of GTA5 right now, that's still a risk, because I might hate it and get nothing of value out of it.
Yep, gotta agree with this. Tons of Kickstarter/Indiegogo ventures fail everyday. That's the nature of the platform, and it's not a bad thing. I'd just hate for people to swear off crowdfunding when the system works how it should (IMO).
Oh, yeah, someone certainly failed to be objective or fail, lol.
dancrane212
Member
Dissapointing but I think they should have made something "smaller" for their first project, something to build confidence in the company to help separate itself from the stigma Silicon Knights had built up in it's late years.
I'm sure they could have made enough money to kickstart a spiritual successor the the original, top down, Legacy of Kain.
I'm sure they could have made enough money to kickstart a spiritual successor the the original, top down, Legacy of Kain.
Nintendo - "We don't like to invest in third parties, because people can just quit, leaving us hanging onto a useless shell. We'd rather make one-to-one connections with the people who make games."
*People who worked with Nintendo in the past on a highly-regarded title have another game in the pipeline, and are desperate for a chance to work on Nintendo's game-starved system.*
Nintendo - "I dunno... you changed your company's name. Your office isn't even in the same building anymore. I think I'll pass."
frankie_baby
Member
Nor that many.
Completely explains why Smash Bros, Luigi's Mansion, Yoshi, Kirby, Fire emblem x SMT and Mario RPG are made by third parties.
frankie_baby
Member
considering Nintendo know all too well how shit they were with money in their prior incarnation i'm not surprised they didn't give the game a second chance
The Bookerman
Member
I doubt people are objective. Dyack's name is all over it.
IAmRandom31
Banned
It is a shame. I think they were pretty close to being able to make the project a reality.
TPP should jump in and lend a helping hand!
TPP should jump in and lend a helping hand!
Doctor Ninja
Sphincter Speaker
It's really a shame what happened to the folks at Precursor, sure Dyack had a bad track record with games like Too Human and X-Men destiny and not to mention his debacle with epic. But the game they showed was really promising and I hope the development of it continue somehow.
frankie_baby
Member
you think anyone will give them contract work after the debacle with x-men???
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Crowdfunding a western Wii U exclusive when it has generously sold 2 million US/PAL units in a year seems like it was doomed to fail. Nintendo fans don't really pre-order that heavily, asking them to do $15 on a dream project that wasn't even that popular on GameCube was wishful thinking. Dennis' involvement probably didn't help either.
These guys should aim lower to start. 2D isometric action RPG in the style of Legacy of Kain. Make that happen, then use the funds to get into AAA gaming again.
These guys should aim lower to start. 2D isometric action RPG in the style of Legacy of Kain. Make that happen, then use the funds to get into AAA gaming again.
If they wanted this project to have a chance, Dyack should not be involved. With his last two games being bad, to his feud with Epic and NeoGAF, he burned too many bridges to not alienate the sort of people who support kickstarters.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
After three attempts at crowdsourcing with constantly shrinking demands for very few deliverables this was inevitable. If they had used Kickstarter and their final target from the very beginning they may have got somewhere. But they constantly fucked it up and just did nothing to reverse the constant negativity surrounding the project.
Exactly. They need to look for a couple of easy games to make, or self-fund a few iOS/Android games, prove themselves as competent developers and then come back to this when the time is right.
Exactly. They need to look for a couple of easy games to make, or self-fund a few iOS/Android games, prove themselves as competent developers and then come back to this when the time is right.
that was never going to happen
Double Helix found work so I'm sure this lot can.
frankie_baby
Member
frankie_baby
Member
were they misappropriating funds/resources from their contract work to fund a pet project?
Sho_Nuff82
Member
I think DH had a history of getting their work done on time and within budget. No one expects miracles from licensed shovelware, and they haven't feuded with gamers, the press, or publishers.
Contrast this with SK, who blew smoke up MS', Sega's, and Activision's assess, while blatantly misappropriating funds from the latter. Too Human was actually a decent game but it's obvious Dennis is toxic to public relations and a rather poor resource manager. And I say this as a huge fan of Eternal Darkness.
spindoctor
Member
Studios make bad games and continue to find work. If they are indeed blacklisted in the industry, I'd imagine it was because how they tried to fuck over Epic. There's no room for misinterpretation in what happened there.
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
What reason was there to believe that Dyack and friends would actually ship a quality product? They've spent the last decade making awful games and defrauding publishers. I don't think it's a shame at all that they're finally being held accountable for their actions.
This. I loved Eternal Darkness, warts and all, but I couldn't rationally trust them to deliver at this point. Sorry everyone.
frankie_baby
Member
i didn't mean because it was a bad game but because there's been tonnes of talk that money and resources were being syphoned away from x-mens development and put in to eternal darkness 2
the epic lawsuit i don't think would do their reputation that much trouble in the industry as many others probably thought SK had a point
Paladin CL
Member
The game looked decent and interesting but I was not going to give my money to ex silicon knights people upfront, sadly they dont have a a good history.
Look at Silicon Knights' company history, and compare it to DH. You can't /tell/ me this is the same.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
You forgot about Winter. There was gameplay footage for that.
I think I'll continue to refrain from responding to personally directed comment and jabs, even if they come from moderators.
Obviously I have no other choice now but to agree to disagree. Since there are those who have pretty much stated they not only didn't support the project but actively campaigned against it, I suppose congratulations are in order.
I guess let's hope Mikami's not showing us smoke and mirrors layered on top of another dog-standard third-person shooter.
Tesseract
Banned
why on earth would we separate the two?
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
You do realize this little exchange is pure fiction and didn't happen, right?
Thats the problem.. its to ambitious and they lack proof that they can pull it off. They need to gain gamers trust back first. Start with a smaller not so ambitious title that is good and fun... then when that succeeds move on to something like this.
After their last big game and all the stupid immature drama its hard to trust these guys..