Sanctuary
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More like ego.
Race has been swapped with species so much over the last few decades (especially in gaming) that I'm not sure it even matters anymore, regardless of which is technically correct.
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Sick of the human race...
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More like ego.
Race has been swapped with species so much over the last few decades (especially in gaming) that I'm not sure it even matters anymore, regardless of which is technically correct.
Damerman
Member
i laughed.... man, that reminds me of all the indoctrination theories for ME3... they were so good.
I still remember an Arthur C. Clarke short story I read as a kid where aliens came to Earth after we'd fucked it up too bad to try and save our species but found it desolate. They figured they were too late and blasted back into space, where a little further away (cosmically speaking) they found the entirety of humanity, having managed to pull together, advance technology and create a huge space-faring armada way more rapidly than any of the aliens could have predicted.
I was all like "hell yeah," but the story, told from the view of the aliens, was like, these dudes are probably BAD NEWS
I was all like "hell yeah," but the story, told from the view of the aliens, was like, these dudes are probably BAD NEWS
Last Armageddon, you play monsters fighting against aliens for the domination of what's left of Earth after humans have been wiped out.
I like Harry Turtledove's The Road Not Taken. All these alien races have FTL and assume that Earth is ripe for conquest because humans still haven't figured it out. Well, turns out that in every other respect the alien conquerors are technologically backwards, including weaponry. Once their invasion spectacularly fails, humans reverse-engineer FTL and the civilizations of the galaxy weep.
This reminds me that in BG2 the only romances were an half-elf, a winged elf and a dark elf.
Bioware has been into this secret elven propaganda since 1999.
The Artisan
Member
it's also been done in movies (avatar) and mostly in fiction. doing so doesn't make it technically correct imo. it's not a big deal, just sharing my viewpoint.
BouncyFrag
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if they kept tracking data on people who did horrible things to the elves in their games,
like me
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Hey a bunch of years ago every single posting member of GAF won a copy of that game!
Or was it the sequel? I nabbed one of them anyway.
I was aleays slightly jealous of that campaign.
Raven Prime
Member
What's even worse is they still use it to designate different ethnicities, while many modern biologists consider that incorrect.
At the OP, as a species we basically suffer from anthropocentrism that's why for example speciesism is also still a thing.
When it comes to games, there are quite a lot of games that have anthropomorphized protagonists. So I suppose those count. Okami is one that comes to mind.
EDIT: I don't really know examples where humans fail at the final moments though, especially vs. extraterrestrial beings. Since you seem to be asking this largely in the context of the intergalactic theater
The Artisan
Member
i thought that was the definition we were referring to here. if that's incorrect, then there is no meaning to the word (this version of it anyway)
Raven Prime
Member
It has relevance when it comes to biology in general, but not when it comes to the human race/species. An inconvenient truth of course for the many segregated societies of the world and the tribal mentalities they promote.
MotionBlue
Member
The humans in Avatar will win when they return in 40 years and raze the entire planet from orbit. The movie itself admits the humans only played nice, out of some moral outrage back on Earth.
The Half Life series does a decent job of portraying a weak humanity, Gordon being the exception.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
That's crazy how humans like playing as their own species
Spieler Eins
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The Artisan
Member
well using race to denote different races shouldn't be a way to promote segregation. all men are created equal, but there's a whole lot of diversity in mankind.
Sun Bather
Member
Well, how many times has elves, dwarfs and aliens won in real life? I listened to Dan Carlins hardcore history quite a bit, and it's not many as far as I can tell.
Raven Prime
Member
It's not crazy. It just shows that in general we haven't evolved too much. We are still very much preoccupied with ourselves. However if you look at history you can see that education/civilization has caused humans to self identify with ever expanding groups over time. We can see and understand now that we are one human race, while a couple of thousand years ago nearly every country, or region even, was at war with it's neighbor every decade or so.
In a sense it's like how some guys can't play games with female avatars, because they have trouble moving beyond their standard frame of reference. While I would argue it's one of gaming's virtues, it gives you the opportunity to take different viewpoints, become a part of different narratives. In essence it helps you to broaden your horizon.
It's using an outdated concept (the idea of multiple human races) to denote something that has no biological foundation. Even two brothers are diverse, genetic variety explains that just fine and the whole human race is simply a continuum of genetic populations. The human species is however not diverse enough to justify the concept of different human races.
I wouldn't mind playing as purple aliens (and I almost never choose human in RPGs with a choice) but a lot of game developers seem to like to create characters that look like themselves. This is why most video game characters are white and male. I think that the two issues are connected.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
I was being sarcastic
The turn towards Cerebrus and human politics and messiah-hood really was the worst thing about the last two Mass Effects. I can't disagree there. I guess it's easier to sell.
Yeah this bugs the hell out of me. And being anti a certain alien spieces is not racism and nothing like racism and falls woefully flat as a racism analogy or allegory. The whole reason why racism is bad is because we're all human. Same minds, same emotions, same life experiences. Equal beings. That doesn't apply cross-species, whether they be sentient or not.
I'm not a fan of treating other sentient species poorly (see: dolphins, a passion of mine), but I don't call it racism.
Yeah this bugs the hell out of me. And being anti a certain alien spieces is not racism and nothing like racism and falls woefully flat as a racism analogy or allegory. The whole reason why racism is bad is because we're all human. Same minds, same emotions, same life experiences. Equal beings. That doesn't apply cross-species, whether they be sentient or not.
I'm not a fan of treating other sentient species poorly (see: dolphins, a passion of mine), but I don't call it racism.
The Artisan
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this was sarcasm wasn't it.
i'm not sure I agree. two brothers are genetically diverse but someone unrelated is much more diverse and genetically different.
I believe Deadly Creatures was a THQ game so it's not coming to anything ever
Raven Prime
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Doesn't really matter, it's still an understandable viewpoint that I wanted to comment on.
It's called speciesism. But since the concept of 'race' isn't really valid beyond it's social construct the issue of racism extends beyond the validity of the specifics of race. Even if human races don't exist, racism still is very real. So on that note, the exact same principles that go by the name racism could be extended to other highly conscious species we interact with. In that regard there is definite overlap between racism and speciesism.
Yes, but even at it's most extreme the genetic differences within the human species aren't enough to warrant the conceptualization of various human races. My point is that the genetic variety of a single family is a microcosm of the genetic diversity of the entire human race. Modern humans have only existed for 200 thousand years or so, genetically we are all very similar.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Wasn't this on the off-topic side? WTH?
Emulated Hype
Member
It isn't racism, but it's definitely xenophobia.
Rising beyond these 2 ideals is what we ultimately have to do, to save human civilisation.
It's the same thing with a different label.
The Artisan
Member
yes, that's what makes us all part of the same species. but within this species there are sooo many cultural diversities. that's what i'm saying race denotes.
Haha, yes I remember how Independence Day was completely ruined for me, because of the "we humans will overcome everything"-pathos BS.
Of course, it was plausible back then to infest the alien's mohership with a computer-virus....NOT!
I'm not a misantrop in any way, but man this is a movie where I expected that we get our asses beaten.
Of course, it was plausible back then to infest the alien's mohership with a computer-virus....NOT!
I'm not a misantrop in any way, but man this is a movie where I expected that we get our asses beaten.
Raven Prime
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But that isn't what race technically means. Most humans have been raised with and still live with an understanding of 'race' that is factually incorrect.
As far as books go the entirety of Lord of the Rings results from the failing of men (specifically Isildur being tempted by the one ring). The books are particularly interesting because they show men as potential for great good or great evil and they are by far the least powerful of the major races (except hobbits) in all but numbers.
I'd also recommend R.A Salvatore's work. The Dark Elf trilogy is all about a dark elf who despises the evil ways of his people and sets out to separate himself from them. They're not quite as well written as Tolkein but Salabatore has a gift for action scenes so I found them incredibly entertaining.
I'd also recommend R.A Salvatore's work. The Dark Elf trilogy is all about a dark elf who despises the evil ways of his people and sets out to separate himself from them. They're not quite as well written as Tolkein but Salabatore has a gift for action scenes so I found them incredibly entertaining.
Holy heck. You're not wrong.
The Artisan
Member
and what would that be?
Raven Prime
Member
The belief that there are distinct biological human races.
poodaddy
Member
Don't understimate us OP.
Agreed with OP until this. Now.....human pride all day baby.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
10 extra talent points for Shadowbane's Humans allowed some real fun stuff to be possible.
Deadly fun stuff.
The Artisan
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what the hell? what do you mean? the difference between me and a white person is that we are of different races. that alone doesn't make one of us better than the other, but it is something different about us, among probably several other things. unless you mean something more with "distinct biological" in your description, I don't know what you're talking about.