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Silk Road founder sentenced to life in prison

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I don't.

Wow, what a hero.


Guys, he didn't order a hit on someone, except he did and gave the order straight to the FBI.

Actually it was to the Baltimore DEA.

Which is a good thing because those guys are crooked and had they been actively involved with the FBI Ross probably could have walked.

Doesn't change that he was totally down for killing people though, but it does mean he'll likely never face those charges.
 
Would love to see him take it on as a thematic companion to TSN. Could be very interesting.



There's three plot lines that'd make this story riveting.

The FBI CY2 Unit with Tarbell as your main character

Ross' story

And the parallel story of the descent into corruption of DEA officer Carl Force.

You could probably cut Force out as he's independent of the FBI but he adds another moral layer to the narrative.


Out of all this it's amazing how close the FBI in San Fran came to blowing it. Had they done their stupid loud over the top SWAT arrest they'd have likely gotten nothing. Tarbell and his little team are the heroes of this by far.
 

someday

Banned
While this guy is a POS for hiring assassins your other points are mostly invalid.

Silk Road was used to facilitate other purchases other than drugs but after awhile he put an end to that which is why off shoots like the Armory came about. It's all the more reason I find him to be a hypocrite for banning the sale of weapons and prostitution but goes around and tries to hire a hitman later on.


Also your attempt to imply Silk Road is unsafe in general is false. Face to face interactions increases the likely hood of getting into a fight if the deal goes wrong. User and seller reviews helped mitigate the risk of bad sales while enforcing civility between everyone.

The only thing you're right about is that he is the boss of a criminal empire. His scope is far larger than a local corner peddler.
I agree with all of this. I just read the Wired article and it seems that he didn't allow child porn on the site. It seems like it was just drugs. I'm not saying that I care that he got life, he won't be missed by me, but a safe, online drug market doesn't bother me either.
 

AlexMogil

Member
I saw a great comment on Ars about the sentencing for just one of his convictions:

If you look at the Sentencing Guidelines (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/guidelines-manual) for Continuing Criminal Enterprise based on the fact that:

1) he was convicted of the Continuing Criminal Enterprise (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-2-d#2d15),

2) he had no prior criminal history (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-4#4a11) and

3) he never took responsibility for the charges at trial (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-3#3e11)

Then, the recommended sentence is 360 months (30 years) to life (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-5#5asentab).

And that's just for one of his convictions. When combined with his other convictions, that's probably why she gave a life sentence.
 
I saw a great comment on Ars about the sentencing for just one of his convictions:

If you look at the Sentencing Guidelines (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/guidelines-manual) for Continuing Criminal Enterprise based on the fact that:

1) he was convicted of the Continuing Criminal Enterprise (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-2-d#2d15),

2) he had no prior criminal history (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-4#4a11) and

3) he never took responsibility for the charges at trial (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-3#3e11)

Then, the recommended sentence is 360 months (30 years) to life (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-5#5asentab).

And that's just for one of his convictions. When combined with his other convictions, that's probably why she gave a life sentence.

But but but it's so unfair. /s
 
I knew an individual who used Silk Roads as a medium to buy and sell firearms illegally. Which puts little doubt in my mind that this place had users of even more nefarious activities. So yeah, I don't think I can afford much sympathy for the sentence the creator of this site was given.
 
Wow, really? Their families too?

I guess he deserves it then. Power and money drove him mad.

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at first i was a little outraged then the thread reminded me of the hits. All that shit combined is most definitely a life sentence.
 

Toxi

Banned
this isn't new, most of the community knew in late 2012 that multiple users embodied dpr. but when you cut off the hydra's one immortal head, the body falls.
You knew jackshit about DPR besides what he told you.

Surprise, it was bullshit.

Wait how can his guilt be in question lol. I mean we can argue sentences but guilt? Come on.
Well, this is the same dude that says
Outside of the tech press, Winter notes, a lot of the media coverage on the Silk Road has been “drugs and guns and hitmen—just wildly off-base.” Off-base, he says, because when he started interviewing the people who knew Silk Road he didn’t see an outfit that was all that different from those littering Silicon Valley. “I started to meet all these core architects within the Silk Road: vendors, engineers, sellers, administrators, people who were helping with scaling,” he says. “It’s obvious in retrospect but it was just like any large tech company. But it was just not represented that way in the media, so even I was caught off-guard.”
about a site most known for drug trafficking.
 
this isn't new, most of the community knew in late 2012 that multiple users embodied dpr. but when you cut off the hydra's one immortal head, the body falls.

Wait except Ross' notes completely go against that idea. It seems more that he made that up to further protect himself.
 

Tesseract

Banned
You knew jackshit about DPR besides what he told you.

Surprise, it was bullshit.


Well, this is the same dude that says

about a site most known for drug trafficking.

Wait except Ross' notes completely go against that idea. It seems more that he made that up to further protect himself.

i'm going by active user timetables long deleted from memory. unless he was jacked up on cocaine and SSRIs all day, he wasn't the only DPR, but he was the only one that mattered. that's all i was saying.

the part about it being a haven for experimentists is true, at least when i was buying stuff every other week.

you're right tho, i don't know jack shit about most of went on after early 2012, which is when most sensible people bailed.
 

Tesseract

Banned
wouldn't be surprised if he starts naming more names in a few weeks, months. gawt damn his life is over. the ego on that man, portrayed in the wired article.

anyway, criminals are so fucking stupid. don't matter who they are or what their specialization is, god bless america for that.
 
I saw a great comment on Ars about the sentencing for just one of his convictions:

If you look at the Sentencing Guidelines (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/guidelines-manual) for Continuing Criminal Enterprise based on the fact that:

1) he was convicted of the Continuing Criminal Enterprise (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-2-d#2d15),

2) he had no prior criminal history (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-4#4a11) and

3) he never took responsibility for the charges at trial (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-3#3e11)

Then, the recommended sentence is 360 months (30 years) to life (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-5#5asentab).

And that's just for one of his convictions. When combined with his other convictions, that's probably why she gave a life sentence.

He really should have just pleaded guilty. Especially with that weakass defense they raised.
 

Crayons

Banned
I knew an individual who used Silk Roads as a medium to buy and sell firearms illegally. Which puts little doubt in my mind that this place had users of even more nefarious activities. So yeah, I don't think I can afford much sympathy for the sentence the creator of this site was given.

really

this guy told you that he buys and sells guns illegally on the internet
 

diamount

Banned
Silk road was much larger than just drugs. Weapon shipments,child pornography etc. All of which deserved the book thrown at him. The Attempt to hire hitmen to murder multiple people is just the icing on that cake of fucked up shit

Pornography and weapons were banned from the site, not sure where you're getting that information from. Not to mention, Carl Mark Force (the undercover agent) made up the hits on his cohorts and kept the money for himself.
 

Ether_Snake

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Amazing. Steal millions or billions as a politician or a banker, you're fine. This guy almost got the death penalty. I don't know much about the case, but it's a bit infuriating how little is done about corruption compared to other things. I mean didn't Kim Dotcom get his house raided and all?
 

Tesseract

Banned
I knew an individual who used Silk Roads as a medium to buy and sell firearms illegally. Which puts little doubt in my mind that this place had users of even more nefarious activities. So yeah, I don't think I can afford much sympathy for the sentence the creator of this site was given.

you can't think of it like a walmart, it's more like a town. seedier parts will be seedy, but that's the way it is everywhere.

they may take our illegal firearms, but they'll never take our legal groceries, books, and potential drug-making compooouunds!

besides, firearms were banned from the collective.
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
3) he never took responsibility for the charges at trial (http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines-manual/2014/2014-chapter-3#3e11)


This is not a comment on this specific sentence or how valid it is, but isn't it just wonderful that when guidelines are followed somebody who is wrongly convicted gets a harsher sentence than somebody who actually committed a crime and admits it? Or even somebody who exercises their fifth amendment rights in general, regardless of their actual guilt.
 

Dead Man

Member
Yeah, that sentence is a bit fucked for the particular charges. Guy is a shithead who gets no sympathy, but I do not agree with the sentence. But the charges are a bit fucked to me as well. May as well charge everyone that provides encryption.
 

Toxi

Banned
Amazing. Steal millions or billions as a politician or a banker, you're fine. This guy almost got the death penalty. I don't know much about the case, but it's a bit infuriating how little is done about corruption compared to other things. I mean didn't Kim Dotcom get his house raided and all?
Er no, he didn't.
 

Opto

Banned
Operating a drug trafficking empire doesn't leave you with clean hands. I'm all for decriminalized and an end to prohibition with assurance of treatment for addicts, but you don't cipher that amount without knowing the awful shit that goes with drug creation. Dude was smart and obviously capable of other things. He didn't need to eek out a life hustling.

Plus, you know, hits on people.
 

Toxi

Banned
Yeah, that sentence is a bit fucked for the particular charges. Guy is a shithead who gets no sympathy, but I do not agree with the sentence. But the charges are a bit fucked to me as well. May as well charge everyone that provides encryption.
He was hit with seven different charges, including money laundering and conspiring in narcotic trafficking.
 
really

this guy told you that he buys and sells guns illegally on the internet

Yup. He was (probably still is, haven't associated with him in about two years) really into bitcoins and trading on the Internet, which started with craigslist but eventually made it to sites like Silk Road. I know he bought weed on the site too, which I don't really care about, but when he started trading guns illegally I decided it was best to not associate with him. I guess he thought I would be okay with it because I'm a gun owner myself, however I legally purchase and register my firearms.

besides, firearms were banned from the collective.

I was never interested enough to visit the site myself, he just talked about trading them on there. Maybe he used code words, or maybe the site didn't enforce their rules, or maybe he just meant a site similar to Silk Road.
 
Yeah, that sentence is a bit fucked for the particular charges. Guy is a shithead who gets no sympathy, but I do not agree with the sentence. But the charges are a bit fucked to me as well. May as well charge everyone that provides encryption.
He tried to have people murdered!
 

Tesseract

Banned
i'm not sure how i feel about the kid who overdosed. on one hand it devastates me, but the other hand doesn't put that blame on ross.

poor kid could've overloaded on a variety of legal shit that can get you high, like nutmeg.
 
Isn't this all his own fault since he didn't protect his ass properly to hide his identity? like he slipped up?

Also fuck running the first website of this kind in America!

I would have moved to another country to do it with not such harsh laws.
 

Skinpop

Member
Isn't this all his own fault since he didn't protect his ass properly to hide his identity? like he slipped up?

Also fuck running the first website of this kind in America!

I would have moved to another country to do it with not such harsh laws.

I'd argue it's his fault for doing something illegal, as for "slipping up" I can't fault him for that since I don't think he could ever have known this would take off and and grow like it did - and once you've made the mistakes (like asking questions on stackoverflow) there's no way to undo them. I wouldn't call it an oversight or stupidity but rather just a testament to the fact that it's practically impossible to preemptively account for all possible outcomes.
 
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