Chezzymann
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All stages now have alternate flat final destination forms now for the new #forglory mode. Huge news!
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Smash Bros 4 stage news: Final destination for everything
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He did not say all, did he?
They're optional forms, just to add visual variety to the For Glory queue.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Optional.
Sounds like it is used in the For Glory online mode which is no items,
Battlefield also favors certain characters over others. Youll never get to a balanced environment without some variety in stage selection.
Thanks. I didn't quite understand this when it came up in the direct.
That's a relief. I personally like chaotic stages and I'm glad they aren't gimping most of the levels.
AdventureRacing
Member
Whilst i think this change is for competitive play you have to wonder if the complete and utter failure of the wii U has killed any chance of this smash bros really taking off.
thatmariolover
Member
Exactly. This is actually a significant design choice for a number of characters and playtypes.
Bowser vs. King Dedede Final Destination Stock 5. Sooo gooooood.
The stages still differ in size (see: Mario Galaxy FD). No idea if they've got different death boundaries but if they do that alone will make them different enough from FD that they could be viable options for competitive play if their vanilla forms are terrible/unplayable under the rule set.
InvincibleAgent
Member
Sounds like you will prefer the For Fun lobby.
It's still going to sell more copies than than all of the Marvel vs. Capcom games combined. Or all of the version of Street Fighter 3 combined.
At least he's actually making something of an effort to cater to competitive matches this time around. A good sign if nothing else.
I appreciate the gesture, but way to completely overshoot in trying to appeal to the competitive ground. FD isn't even the most played on currently afaik. Not that it even matters if it's timed matches instead of stock like some people are saying, although I don't know we're they're getting that ffrom.
No recovery though.
This does raise the obvious issues though that the balance/ranking is going to difference between normal (all stages) vs. just final destination. This has been true in all of the games though. This is one of the things that annoys me a tier lists: they are slanted because they are typically slanted around a specific style of play.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
The uber-competitive community don't seem easily pleased at all to be honest. There's still complete match customisation in local.
Benzychenz
Member
Good thing you can choose every aspect of the rules in local and online matches with friends.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
???
Battlegrounds and other similar stages are extremely common in competitive play.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Basically a stage like this
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But themed. So it'll be all grassy and stuff if Animal Crossing, and have an Animal Crossing themed background, but no stage hazards and still flat.
Its just a step backward to Melee "Fox only, no items, final destination" bull shit
Polioliolio
Member
Hey, they might have Battle Field versions of all stages too...
These new final destination stages are just three platforms away from being battlefield stages.
These new final destination stages are just three platforms away from being battlefield stages.
"please keep in mind, though, that the games are still under development so anything in the game footage you're about to see could be changed."
for you and anyone else who wants a battlefield skin and/or a stock match toggle you should take it to Miiverse. best chance to gain some traction and get some changes made.
Benzychenz
Member
InvincibleAgent
Member
I wouldn't mind if multiple stages also had "Battlefield" versions with 1-4 platforms as an available option within For Glory. Give the players 3 options to vote on, randomly selected from these ingredients:
Type:
3-stock
4-stock
2-min
3-min
4-min
Stage:
FD
BF
FD version of some other stage
BF version of some other stage
So, for instance, your options might be as follows:
4-stock on Battlefield
3-min on FD Galaxy stage
4-min on BF Jungle Japes (No hazard, with platforms)
That way, if you prefer stock, you can vote for the first option. If you like platforms, you can vote for the first or third options. If you like no platforms, second option's for you.
(Inspired a bit by Halo matchmaking) That would be great.
Captain Europe
Member
I think it's a great idea and it took me by surprise. He's obviously acknowledging the competitive players this time around.
Some people will never be satisfied though.
Some people will never be satisfied though.
Do we know if these are selectable in normal play, outside of For Glory mode? I assume they will be, but I don't recall seeing that info anywhere.
If they are selectable, I wonder how it'll be done. If it's something like "Hold Z when selecting the stage for FD mode", I wonder if they'll ever come in random select?
If they are selectable, I wonder how it'll be done. If it's something like "Hold Z when selecting the stage for FD mode", I wonder if they'll ever come in random select?
it seems like Sakurai, being the hilarious troll that he is, is telling the competitive scene that they've been doing it wrong. For Glory mode seems like "do[ing] it right" by Sakurai's standards.
again though, take it to Miiverse. everything that was shown is subject to change, as stated in the very beginning of the Direct.
Ardainian Soldier
Member
Such a great idea.
And that's how the comp. community actually feels now, that stages with platforms like Battlefield, Dreamland 64, Yoshi's Story, etc are better than FD.
Captain Europe
Member
But what's right? The competitive scene has been fighting for over a decade over which stages are acceptable and which aren't.
I don't see the problem here, competitive players are going to add each other as friends anyway and then decide for themselves what stages to play on... And For Glory will be a nice place to meet other competitive players.
Fortunately Sakurai is making a game for all manner of competitive and casual players and is not guiding the development based on the whims of the FGC/Smash Bros. contingent.
Competitive scene will never be truly happy with any smash that isn't Melee.
For Glory was a nice nod, but I'm sure any real competitive players will have many people on their friend list so matches can be customized to whatever rules are in vogue now. It's just for fun one-off matches, not tournaments.
For Glory was a nice nod, but I'm sure any real competitive players will have many people on their friend list so matches can be customized to whatever rules are in vogue now. It's just for fun one-off matches, not tournaments.