Fair enough. It certainly does not seem close to over. I still think it should be unless they have actual proof of collusion by Trump, but that's just my opinion.
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So looks like Mueller is about to wrap things up?
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bucyou
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Considering cobb is retiring from law, that's pretty disingenuous, considering its vox Im not surprised though.
Bring on the proof though, I think everyone is ready to see what Mr. Mueller, with his dreamteam of 2k an hour lawyers, and his seemingly unlimited reach and budget, has found out.
rokkerkory
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Another one bites the dust... when your lawyers leave in droves or are in trouble themselves, you've got the BEST winning team I am sure.
HagglesworthMD
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the latest one retiring from law?
Autoignition
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He sure picked a hell of a time to do it.
I’ll just say that your definition of a smack down isn’t shared with the majority.
bucyou
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And who are you to speak for the majority, again?
rokkerkory
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Guiliani now says he needs to clarify what he said about stormy daniels payments lol
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bucyou
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If you consider that a smackdown of Mueller then please elobarate
How is it not?
A federal judge states there seems to be no link between manafort and the "collusion" case he special counsel is investigating, he also questions the wisdom of giving any one person or group that was not elected, unfettered power and a $10 million budget. Judge also states the charges looks like they are just trying to flip manafort to the point of making up false claims to try to save himself. He then questions whether they have blown through the whole budget yet, which special counsel attorney declined to even answer.
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The prosecution told the judge that some of the scope of its powers, which date back to August 2017, cannot be released because of national security.
The judge offered a scathing response, characterizing their position as: 'We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying.'
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yeah, the judge is literally mocking the special counsel, but nah its not a smack down
How is it not?
A federal judge states there seems to be no link between manafort and the "collusion" case he special counsel is investigating, he also questions the wisdom of giving any one person or group that was not elected, unfettered power and a $10 million budget. Judge also states the charges looks like they are just trying to flip manafort to the point of making up false claims to try to save himself. He then questions whether they have blown through the whole budget yet, which special counsel attorney declined to even answer.
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The prosecution told the judge that some of the scope of its powers, which date back to August 2017, cannot be released because of national security.
The judge offered a scathing response, characterizing their position as: 'We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying.'
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yeah, the judge is literally mocking the special counsel, but nah its not a smack down
So a judge made statements about a case where the evidence hasn’t all been presented yet and to you that is smack down. The judge is saying that Mueller will get Manafort to sing due to the pressure that Mueller is applying and there is nothing illegal that he is doing, but that’s a smack down on Mueller. We will have to agree to disagree here on this “smack down”
infinitys_7th
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So a judge made statements about a case where the evidence hasn’t all been presented yet and to you that is smack down. The judge is saying that Mueller will get Manafort to sing due to the pressure that Mueller is applying and there is nothing illegal that he is doing, but that’s a smack down on Mueller. We will have to agree to disagree here on this “smack down”
Except if the Manafort investigation is outside of the scope of Mueller's authorization, as the judge believes it is, then Mueller has broken the law.
The authorization Mueller has is pretty broad, he’s good. Even the judge said “Mueller should not have "unfettered power", which means he has the power
. Nothing the judge can do about that, he can complain but he is beholden to the law and has to accept Mueller has that power. Manafort isn’t going to be walking away a freeman.infinitys_7th
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The authorization Mueller has is pretty broad, he’s good. Even the judge said “Mueller should not have "unfettered power", which means he has the power
Actually, Mueller is not allowed "unfettered power". He has no such legal position. No one in the US does. The judge is also above Mueller legally.
He has a scope, and that scope can be ruled to be illegal if it is too broad. Your argument is equivalent to saying a burglar is free to reburglarize a home he already hit, penalty free, because he already did it once.
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Rosenstein gave Mueller broad authority not only to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated" with the Trump campaign, but also to examine "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."
Mueller is well within his rights as special counsel to charge Manafort. Not much different than getting a mob boss in jail for tax evasion.
infinitys_7th
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The judge has the ability to rule that scope as illegal. Just because Rosenstein authorized it does not make it inherently legal.