Difference with Star Fox Zero is you can still see where you're going on either screen because each has a viewpoint of the action.
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So uhhh Aonuma just admitted Wii U GamePad disrupts gameplay...
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Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
The Gamerpad screen only showed player hints while playing the E3 demo. No map.
mugurumakensei
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Working with the director to ensure Zelda met it's goals within a reasonable time on a reasonable budget.
Sword Of Doom
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I thought it worked perfectly fine for games like Wind Waker. Made Zelda games a lot more enjoyable imo making the inventory and map much more convenient to use.
Gamepad isn't always a bad thing or a distraction. In the way it was implemented in star fox, that's a different story
AgentOtaku
Member
While I don't hate the gamepad, the rest is unfortunatelying true
stan423321
Member
Actually no, I don't remember this. There was no SS remaster, OoT and MM were on 3DS where the screen location offset is pretty much a constant, and while all the rereleases got the new features advertised I don't remember Aonuma claiming it was a lifesaver or anything.
Freezie KO
Banned
Aunoma said:
I don't know how many people will buy WiiU Zelda vs NX Zelda. I still don't really understand promoting the game on a console that may be discontinued by the time NX actually launches.
I guess Nintendo wants to make sure they support their platforms.
When I first saw that tablet thing in Zelda Wind of the Wild, I was afraid that it meant the NX would have a tablet controller.
I found that W101 works much better with the stick, not to mention the game goes into ultra slo-mo when you start drawing.
When you're trying to select from similar-looking items in a menu that's constantly shuffling the order around due to items breaking and being collected, you need to pause or go into slo-mo to navigate it. It's not Monster Hunter where I've long since preset my lifepowders as a nice large white bag-shaped icon on the far right side of the screen, where I can hit them on reflex or glance 1 inch down and see them instantly if need be.
Having to look down at the gamepad in most applications is about as fun as switching the TV to another input. Hang on gotta change to HDMI2 to access my inventory, better point the stick in random directions and hope the enemy isn't beating the shit out of me too badly while I'm flying blind.
Pancakes R Us
Member
I think they've known all along. What a joke of a concept. It just stinks of Nintendo not knowing what to do after Wii and sticking a tablet on the controller probably thinking they can ride the tablet wave.
Zombie James
Banned
No. Fucking. Shit.
The gamepad may be good for off-screen play or a map but as a gameplay tool it wasn't very well thought out.
The gamepad may be good for off-screen play or a map but as a gameplay tool it wasn't very well thought out.
QuixoticNeutral
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That might be something specific to the E3 build, though, where time is short, eyes are all on the main display, and button mappings need to be clear at a glance to someone with no manual and zero experience with the game. I can't imagine we're in for a DKCTF scenario where in the final product there's nothing on the GamePad at all. I expect we'll end up with something like WWHD.
What we can be reasonably assured of is that we won't have any GamePad-dependent items or player actions like how TP (Wii) and SS relied on features specific to the Wiimote. And that's fine. I like the GamePad quite a bit, but like every oddball Nintendo interface, I don't see why people expect that it has to do either everything or nothing in every game to have a purpose at all. Its purpose is versatility, and suitability to a whole range of functions that are critical to some titles and completely optional in others. What players dislike, I think, is when it feels "forced"—when it's required for a function for which there isn't a good mechanical reason for it to be required, like the second-screen interiors in W101. That's flatly not the case with second-screen interface enhancements like maps and inventory, which are the very definition of things that are very nice to have but not required—which is why an implementation like WWHD's was such a perfect compromise, whether you loved the GamePad or hated it.
DeuceGamer
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That doesn't make sense though. If they were porting it to NX wouldn't that indicate that it doesn't have BC? Otherwise why would they port it instead of just using the the Wii U version.
kunonabi
Member
Whoops, I meant TP. The gamepad was heavily touted for making
WW more playable.
Stick controls were way too slow for W101 for me. It was much faster to just swipe with the thumb.
I think so too.
I will miss that feauture a bit and specialy the off-tv option.
I liked to play in my bed >.>
poor kid lmao
Movalpolos
Banned
Put Aonuma in charge.
It was Iwata. I mean, he might not have literally been the guy who came up with the idea, but he clearly believed in it. The thing is that I don't think the primary focus was supposed to be for gameplay. It was supposed to be for Off-TV play.
Iwata talked at a GDC before they announced the Wii U about the issues of having the primary TV being occupied and thus kids not being able to play the console. The GamePad and Off-TV play was supposed to address that issue. The problem is that it isn't really a problem in the West. Most people have multiple TVs. In Japan, where I believe it is a bigger issue, it wasn't a big enough selling point when most gamers have handhelds anyway to solve that problem.
Movalpolos
Banned
That's the best news for me. Zelda saved.
stan423321
Member
The thing is, it simply doesn't justify itself for its price matched with functionality of showing a @#$%@#$ map.
"Let's put a paddle onto DualShock 5." "But why?" "Since, if the player buys Pong or Tempest clone, it controls well better with the paddle." "Ohhhh, this is a good idea."
Movalpolos
Banned
jwillenn
Member
Yeah, just please bring on Mote & Chuk NX.
Left Side of Gamepad = Chuk NX
Right Side of Gamepad = Mote NX
completely wireless with enhanced precision/accuracy on the "Point & Motion" front, reduction of flaws, and concealable side connectors for attachment
Left + Right Attached = Pro Controller NX
Left + Center (Handheld NX Without Controller Attachments SKU) + Right Attached = Gamepad NX = Full Handheld Gaming System that can also work as a controller for the home console
Left Side of Gamepad = Chuk NX
Right Side of Gamepad = Mote NX
completely wireless with enhanced precision/accuracy on the "Point & Motion" front, reduction of flaws, and concealable side connectors for attachment
Left + Right Attached = Pro Controller NX
Left + Center (Handheld NX Without Controller Attachments SKU) + Right Attached = Gamepad NX = Full Handheld Gaming System that can also work as a controller for the home console
Mario Maker was practically a creation tool that needed something like a tablet, and the rest used motion controls as their greatest asset. I'm hoping Nintendo keeps pushing that path and perhaps even gets third parties to seriously use it on Nintendo and Sony platforms, even pushing for Microsoft to more widely use it and on Steam native Steam Controller support being more common.
But that's been the secret greatest addition for aiming and has been largely ignored due to Wii stigma and Microsoft being bullish on adding motion control to controllers.
QuixoticNeutral
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I don't think we're on the same page concerning whether we're talking about (a) maps of the area that you're moving around, like your current room in a dungeon or (b) actual game menus, including the world map. The first of these, we now know, will be on the main screen (and only the main screen). The second of these, I would be very surprised not to have available on the GamePad in some form by the time we get to the final build.
You don't look down at your GPS, but you don't pause the world while driving either.
Randomizer
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From one of Gaf's most hated to most loved over night lmao. I've always like him, he made Majora's Mask after all. The best thing about the gamepad is offscreen play. But it is so weak it won't even reach my bedroom.
abstract alien
Member
Generally speaking, I thought that was the entire point of it...
mikefrails
Banned
They nailed it with Wind Waker HD.
stan423321
Member
This is a very per-person thing it appears. There is a bunch of GAF members that like these features while for me pressing a button is a way more natural way to do this sort of stuff within a context of a game already mostly controlled with buttons.
Movalpolos
Banned
ShockingAlberto
Member
Spoiler: He is saying this because they needed to have a reason they stripped out all the Gamepad stuff.
If it were still there, he would be talking about how it makes a better experience.
If it were still there, he would be talking about how it makes a better experience.
James Scott
Banned
Yeah, I call BS on this.
Especially for Zelda which has great second screen benefits and this seems like a lazy excuse to not include it on the Wii U version despite it clearly being built around it
TheCongressman1
Member
Movalpolos
Banned
Hell no.
That was added fatigue to the already boated and unnecessary systems of the game.
The thing is, dual screens make so much more sense on a handheld. And even though people maybe against the second screen on the DS, hardly anyone would call it distracting.
I always thought the main point of the gamepad screen was for off tv play and multiplayer. The whole single player thing isn't all that to be honest.
Star Fox Zero was great though, I'll give them that.
friskykillface
Banned
ah great 
was wondering if this was going with work with the pro controller
was wondering if this was going with work with the pro controller
Davey Cakes
Member
Pretty simply this. Context is important. The Gamepad is great when utilized smartly. Same could've been said for the Wiimote and motion controls/IR. Some games made the whole thing look like a mistake. Some games were a bit too gimmicky or shoehorned the tech in. Others got it just right.
The problem with the Gamepad is that it's a required component. So when it's not put to the best use and people are forced to use it, they get very vocal.
All that said, I love how people use the statement as vindication of their dislike of the Gamepad. Laughable that Star Fox comes up almost immediately as well. That game wouldn't exist without Miyamoto's desire to experiment with the tech that Nintendo championed for this console. Get over it.
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