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So we have a 30TF GPU now. Do you still think it's a good idea to launch a 4TF "NG"-console alongside in 2020?
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MightySquirrel
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If it's like the switch and comes with a 5" phone screen at 720p 30fps I don't see an issue otherwise it was always a tragical idea for xbox series x exclusives. [double the work for xbox studios]
It won't be like the Switch if it's 4TF. You'll be lucky if Switch 2 gets to half of that.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
If you really think graphics are the main reason to buy a console, you have some issues.
RayHell
Member
I played Fallout 4 the other day on my PC, what a boring generic game with boring story and ugly art direction. But then I put a 30TF graphic card in my PC and boom. All of sudden the game was so fun and the story so interesting. I even now have a crisp 4K resolution to show the ugly art direction. Who needs console now that we can render a 8K 1000fps pile of horse shit.
Reindeer
Member
The 30 tflop number is irrelevant. Ampere does 2 shader calculations per clock as opposed to one on Turing and that's why those tflop numbers are so high, but tflops on Ampere don't scale 1:1 when it comes to performance compared to Turing. You can see this when 3070 is around the same performance as 2080Ti but it has 7 tflops more (20), in reality you basically looking at 3070 having around 13.5 (same as 2080ti) Turing tlops since the two cards are on par when it comes to performance. 3080 is probably 18.5-19.5 Turing tflops (around 40% faster than 2080ti), and 3090 is likely around 23-24 tfllops.
Tflops are pretty much irrelevant going forward and are just gonna confuse people if they try to use them as some kind of measurement when comparing GPUs with different architectures. The following video explains why 30 series high tflop numbers are irrelevant, watch from 02:44.
Tflops are pretty much irrelevant going forward and are just gonna confuse people if they try to use them as some kind of measurement when comparing GPUs with different architectures. The following video explains why 30 series high tflop numbers are irrelevant, watch from 02:44.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Let's be real here: Nvidia's rocking Bugatti Veyron and Pagani Zondas here if we're saying MS and Sony have Hyundais
D A M A G E C O N T R O L. S P I N S P I N S P I N ! ! !
You guys must've missed the memo that Ampere is the newer architecture, not Turing. And it has at least 10% more IPC over Turing. But hey, maybe you guys know more about Nvidia's hardware than Nvidia themselves, what a weird world that'd turn out to be xD.
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Bernd Lauert
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Uh, yes? You use the 30 TF card to play at 4k60. You use the 4 TF card to play at 1080p30. I don't see a problem.
GetemMa
Member
I have 3 children. My friends have children. Kids don't give a shit about 4K ray traced with HDR and TF numbers. Is it fun? does it look good?
If the kid has an old 1080p screen in his room, he will be happy to play next gen games on it. That is the market Lockart will serve. It's a good idea if the price is low enough.
MS is spreading itself out and hitting all possible parts of the market. I'm not convinced it saves them from having mediocre 1st party game output but it's a smart strategy regardless.
If the kid has an old 1080p screen in his room, he will be happy to play next gen games on it. That is the market Lockart will serve. It's a good idea if the price is low enough.
MS is spreading itself out and hitting all possible parts of the market. I'm not convinced it saves them from having mediocre 1st party game output but it's a smart strategy regardless.
Killer Sakoman
Member
Switch is portable 1st and foremost. You can't compare it. Even then, it sells because content is king not TFs.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
This is why MS playing the 'teraflops game' with '12 tf' marketing was always going to end up looking stupid!
30 tflops cards are launching this month, and AMD's own RDNA2 will reach similar numbers. What's important are the games.
30 tflops cards are launching this month, and AMD's own RDNA2 will reach similar numbers. What's important are the games.
Optimistic Gamer
Member
Gaming?
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
What do you use the $499 20tflop card for, then? You see MS basing marketing on their hardware and teraflops has come back to bite them in the ass.
Phrixotrichus
Banned
Peaplo (like me)that are in the market for hardware like that already have a PC. And contrary to a console those are modular.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Maybe they're idiots or just trolling or both.
Dodkrake
Banned
TF don't matter. The Series S is a console for the 1080p / 1440p gamer that doesn't want ray tracing, just to play the new games. A 30TF graphics card is, at the moment, a waste of money, and only for those that want to max everything at 4k with full raytracing on a PC. Completely different market. The Series S should scale nicely with Series X games.
Killer Sakoman
Member
36 TFs for RTX 3090 with excellent I/O solution. Xbox went for TFs and forgot everything else. They will be left in the dust.
BGs
Industry Professional
There will always be people with money who want to buy a Ferrari 800CV. Even if it's just to be able to say "look, I'm a Road Master Race and I have this Ferrari, and your Honda Civic sucks because it only has 140CV". It does not matter that both can sooner or later reach 200km/h when in reality the speed limit is 120km/h.
But, as I always say, everyone does what they want with their money. Obviously. Likewise... Have you ever stopped to think what needs to be done to take advantage of the 3090? It is not enough to buy it.
But, as I always say, everyone does what they want with their money. Obviously. Likewise... Have you ever stopped to think what needs to be done to take advantage of the 3090? It is not enough to buy it.
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Werewolfgrandma
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S will be 1080p and be fine at that. It will be a great bedroom console.
DrumNBassDanTTV
Member
Add up the other components please as im sure games wont run on just a graphics card right?
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Yes, for this price it has a chance to gain marketshare.
It's the big brother at $499 that is a big worry in this scenario.
Killer Sakoman
Member
hard_boiled
Neophyte
No one drives a stock car into work lol
BGs
Industry Professional
My car is an Honda Civic 140cv tooYou hurt my feelings
My Honda Civic sucks
(next will be Mazda 6 Skyactiv-X).
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tkscz
Member
Are we really asking this again? Did we learn nothing from the PS1, PS2, Wii and Switch?
Only we gamers, we nerds of the internet give a flying fuck about TFs. For the average person, price is the name of the game.
Even nVidia learned this with the 3070 being priced at $499 (or was it $599?). All the power of their 2080, and their best selling card of that gen was the GTX 1660.
So yes, a 4TF weaker version of a console is still perfectly fine to release to a public where enthusiast are the minority and everyone could care less.
Only we gamers, we nerds of the internet give a flying fuck about TFs. For the average person, price is the name of the game.
Even nVidia learned this with the 3070 being priced at $499 (or was it $599?). All the power of their 2080, and their best selling card of that gen was the GTX 1660.
So yes, a 4TF weaker version of a console is still perfectly fine to release to a public where enthusiast are the minority and everyone could care less.
Fortunately we're 20 years from the same thing happening to the PS5's SSD right?
Ar¢tos
Member
Changing the SoC from 12tf to 4tf and reducing the ram by 6gb won't save you 300$.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
The series s needs to scale against the series x, not the Nvidia card
NoviDon
Member
Yeah but he was implying that the 3080 is only 200 dollars more, console gamers should get that instead because its 3x performance. He would have a point... if, like you, I didn't have to invest from the beginning, and buy every part to go with it.
nemiroff
Gold Member
Gonna use those glorious TFs running on a Reverb G2 VR headset (4K@90Hz).
FranXico
Member
Next to 30TF, 12TF is just as pathetic as 10TF.
Praise the Sun that this time, at least the console CPUs are decent.
The true bottom line.
Papacheeks
Banned
The mis conception on Teraflops is really annoying.
It's a combined number of theoretical compute.
It's a combined number of theoretical compute.
Papacheeks
Banned
Thank you!!
This has been what I've been trying to tell people. That those nvidia slides are literally just puff slides. They are not based on anything other than a combined theoretical computation of all the cuda/tensor cores multiplied by frequency and memory bandwidth/ throughoutput.
Like people really ate those slides, and are making dumb-ass threads.
I feel bad for anyone who bought a 2000 series card. You got caught up in that NVIDIA TAX.
Ah, jesus thank god I'm seeing people who are able to think for themselves and not drink the nvidia Kool-aid slides. People on here seem to have no grasp what so ever of tech. That also goes for some youtubers.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Was thinking more of graphics professional usage myself, you know productivity like 3D modelling and whatnot.
Its just so far above the current minimum, I'd expect it to be rarely required or really factored in.
Got to be honest too, the recent advancements in AI image processing have got me wondering if the diminishing returns on increasing resolution aren't going to kick in even harder going forwards.
RobRSG
Member
It’s fine, unfortunately it is not the first time I buy something and it is outdated some months later.
*Hiding the pain*
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