Ristifer
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I love Unleashed, but it can be a slog. It has some really high highs, though.
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Sonic Mania - Pre-Order Trailer (out August 15th)
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Solid SOAP
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The Werehog, towns, Tornado stages, side quests, Sun/Moon medal collecting, and all the random crap in between the daytime stages aren't what I'd call inspired; these elements take up more than 2/3 of the game too.
TheAggroCraig
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Not the track by itself from Sega, just what you can hear in the reveal for the Act 1.
Probably Switch for portability reasons but I know that d-pad is going to bug me.
I'm getting it on Steam due to lower price and controller preference (I like the D-pad on Logitech F310 in platformers), and Xbox One due to backwards compatibility. I want to be able to play it later on and Microsoft has been more dedicated to BC this generation than Sony, which is something I value.
It's is the kind of game I'm considering buying all four versions of eventually, but two will do for launch.
Solid SOAP
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I'm trying to go as cold as I can on almost all aspects of the game at this point. I've seen gameplay from GHZ, Studiopolis, and the desert level. I wanna call it a day. The game comes out in less than 3 weeks, I can wait!
yeah i was including other parts of the game under that time estimate
Exactly. I experience unleashed through the PC generations mod now because the rest of the game isn't worth playing.
I liked the town hubs on Unleashed. They probably added nothing but they also didn't harm the pacing, they were so small and looked beautiful. The action areas of the hubs were a mess though, because Sonic had his speed unlocked and he wasn't meant to run in such small areas.
About the Werehog, I liked his stages when it was about slow platforming, they just needed almost 50% less fighting. I still rather have that than Emerald Collecting or pew-pew stages.
Medal collecting sucked. Tornado stages not being like SA1 ones was baffling.
About the Werehog, I liked his stages when it was about slow platforming, they just needed almost 50% less fighting. I still rather have that than Emerald Collecting or pew-pew stages.
Medal collecting sucked. Tornado stages not being like SA1 ones was baffling.
War Raichu
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The Tornado stages felt like they were shoehorned in at the last minute. It even contradicts the plot. You fight Eggman at the end of the first act, but later on you encounter him in Africa and he acts surprised that Sonic survived the fall from space, even though he should know that already.
Steam. It's where I usually play things these days, plus I'll be able to use my Saturn pad with it.
Don't forget Puyo Tetris.
Everyone always forgets Puyo Tetris, that's probably why I can't get many matches anymore ;_;
Schucky Ducky
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I'm getting it for Switch because of the portability. I'm really looking forward to this one!
Also, is it weird to anyone else that Sonic Mania isn't listed on the Coming Soon section on the eShop in USA yet? They really have a weird selection of games listed on there right now haha.
sixteen-bit
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Professor Lexicovermis
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The only thing that makes me hesitant to put King in Saloon is that he doesn't seem to fit the level's theme. If he is indeed the leader of the Heavies, he'll likely be in the final level.
Heavy Knight in the unknown Cathedral makes sense; they could give him a crusader theme!
Agreed, makes too much sense to deny.
I'm hopeful that we get a Magic stage as well, but I feel like Heavy Magician may be Saloon's boss.
IronicSonic
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Certainly Super Mario 3D World is not what I consider Mario is supposed to be, hence is bad. Please.
I can see Apotos and Shamar levels as boring but then Holoska, Empire City, Adabat, and Chun-nan all have really fun werehog levels. And Unleashed still have Eggmanland, best level on entire Hedgehog Engine saga.
I grant you progression is ass but that dont make the game mediocre, considering great visual and superb music aswell.
Well Im in full Unleashed Defense Force mode lol but what is bad about sidequest? I like those and they are optional if I remember correctly. Tornado stages are crap though. Final Boss is epic AF in the other hand, presentation is top notch and that fuckin Pixar-quality intro was one to remember... It was the last really ambitious Sonic game and we are playing iterations of that game till today.
I just feel Unleashed get more hate that it deserves. Easily a 6 to 7 over 10 game
I'll be getting it on PS4.
I really hope it'll get a platinum trophy, but I'm not counting on it. Sega only seems to give them to higher priced titles.
Eww no, the final boss was a mess, especially the golem part. Game should have ended against Egg Dragoon, now that one was cool.
Literally don't know. Switch, PS4, PC are all viable choices for me right now. Will wait for analysis and reviews to make an informed choice.
I'm kinda hoping each Heavy gets their own original stage to justify having a final original stage leaving the counter on 6.
Unleashed is just one of those games that I never got the love for. It's visually spectacular and the day stages are cool, but I actually couldn't finish it. The night stages, medal collecting and hub worlds ruined it, and the day levels weren't good enough to justify it.
I'm gonna buy it on PS4, then double dip when I finally get round to buying a Switch
I mentioned it a few pages back but I'm getting the PC version so I can use this:
Seeing as it's a lost Saturn/32X game and all! ^_-
Sadly, it doesn't work on a PS4 (and I assume Xbox One). Switch might be my 2nd version whenever I get around to buying that console though.
Edit: Technically, I'll be double dipping since the Collector's Edition won't be here by Day one, so I'll have to buy it on Steam on launch (also luckly, I'll have that day off)
I have no idea how mario 3D world comes into this? It's distilled 2d mario in 3d with tight platforming challenges that clearly take inspiration from past games and iterates.
You can argue its safe in comparison to prior mario games (I'd agree) and that it lacks the awe that other mario games do (again id agree). But mario 3d world absolutely makes sense in the world of mario, its cohesive with the franchise and the game is polished to an extreme degree.
Unleashed on the other hand is shoehorning in slow combat gameplay into a platforming series that sells itself of fast momentum based platforming its at complete odds with the franchise identity. and that ignores that the werehog levels range from bad to bearable, the combat is uninspired and boring, as are the enemy types and encounter design. the levels are too long (up to 1 hour long) and you have to finish an entire level in one sitting.
I'll fully agree that the presentation and music are both absolutely top notch. But that does not make a good game especially when its a series that was originally lauded gameplay.
Look the daytime levels are outstanding. They feel arcady, they are fast and make the player feel skillful. they look amazing and the gameplay feels great it oozes SEGA. but that is not the entire game. We all know that sega has a history of artificially lengthening sonic games because they feel like short sonic games wont be thought as worth their money. But it lowered the quality of the series and watered down the experience.
Unleashed gets a lot of hate because it is stuffed with bullshit and crap that just isn't fun. and a 6 is considered mediocre in the games industry...
Switch for sure, the Sonic mobile ports are some of the few games I never delete from my phone and being able to have this portable as well will be great.
Avenger54321
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I have the collector's edition preordered for the PS4, though I will be getting it again for PC and Switch, especially if there's a physical copy down the road.
I don't really like Unleashed day stages or Generations that much anymore. Just hold boost to win with some light platforming.
Colors is a way better game imo, less focus on boosting and there were cool ideas with the wisps and better platforming.
Sky Sanctuary was pretty good in gens tho
Colors is a way better game imo, less focus on boosting and there were cool ideas with the wisps and better platforming.
Sky Sanctuary was pretty good in gens tho
Triforce141
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Switch, all versions will run the same anyway, so might as well get a version that can be portable too.
Or Steam if Workshop support is added in
That gameplay style really comes into its own when you treat it like a time attack to get the fastest speed as opposed to the goal just being getting to the end. But I know what you mean.
I liked Unleashed and Generations but I also think Colors was the best ouf of the three. Although Colors was more of a 2D game, the 3D sections were really simple and better done in Generations. But I liked the more expansive level design of Colors, there's alot of secret routes there.
IronicSonic
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This is not an argument about 3D World in particular. Sorry if you understand that. Its just an example of "not my style then bad game" argument. Surprisingly 3D World also get a lot of hate.
My point is Unleashed is a good game. Not mediocre, not bad. Its not a masterpiece either but I get a lot of enjoyment from it.
Friend of Sonic
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Still? Always been digital only
GabeTheGrouch76
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Mario 3D World is clearly Sonic:
Don't forget it has Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Toad
and Rosalina
Man, what I'd give to see a 3D Sonic game based on both the Genesis games that takes a 3D Land / 3D World setup. There is some fangame out there that tries it (called Classic Sonic 3D Adventure, I think), but the controls/physics and especially the level design is far from up to snuff IMO.
GabeTheGrouch76
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That's more dependent on Sega changing or keeping the status quo of Sonic Team having the undisputed keys to the Sonic kingdom and/or Sonic Team having the same studio management and game designers in control of the direction of the franchise/games.
IMO, the best Mania can do is prove the following:
a. There's no curse or conspiracy against Sonic as a game series, Sonic Team(/Dimps) has just mishandled him for years
b. Mania is proof people can assuredly start looking past Sonic Team(/Dimps) for good Sonic games (after previous Western takes on the series like Bioware's Chronicles and BRB/Sanzaru's Boom games ranged from forgettable to awful)
c. Genesis Sonic gameplay --when done right, and not botched like in Sonic 4-- still holds up and is a reliable direction to go for Sonic (it can also help discredit the "Sonic was never good" revisionist history narrative in the same way Crash N-Sane Trilogy did for Crash)
Though whether Sega actually acts upon those results or simply ignores them is another story.
(whoops, double post)
War Raichu
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I'll defend Unleashed to the death, but the next-gen final boss was terrible. The first phase of you flying through the rocks was cool as hell and felt as close as we'll ever get to a full 3D Doomsday Zone, but the phase to tear down the shield was absolutely awful. Controls were clunky, he could somehow damage you through his own shield, and it was secretly an escort mission because you had to succeed before
Chip
One of the few things the Wii version did right.
CharlesDangus
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If they don't want to hire those specific devs them they should just take the ideas and make a game. I feel like Sonic could have its Mario 64 moment 20 years later.
Aye. To me Mario 3D World is what 3D Mario always should have been: Mario in 3D. Mario 64 and Sunshine always felt like a sidestep into the adventure genre rather than 3D platforming, but that only lasted 2 games before Galaxy brought the linear platforming back in force. Hell, I remember back in the 90s feeling betrayed by both Sonic and Mario for them going away from what I loved about them. Of course 64/Sunshine and the 3D Sonic games are good, they just shifted focus.
patrickthehedgehog
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https://twitter.com/personasama/status/889918426835275776
How is there a manual? Looks like Switch manual size.
How is there a manual? Looks like Switch manual size.
There's a physical collector's edition that comes with a digital code.
AlexFlame116
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So we have literally everything but an actual physical release. What's Sega's deal?
sixteen-bit
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I would trade in all the LE tat for an actual cart in an instant :/
Solid SOAP
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It all comes together to make the final product, though. The visuals are pretty good and the music is good as always, but if the gameplay sucks most of the time none of that matters.
The sidequests, while definitely playable, are nothing special and rather boring, and in many cases extremely tedious. Everything from collecting tea to deliver to people across the world to returning to levels to solve a simple task really were executed without much thought.
The experience as a whole is quite draining given how poorly the game is paced and how uninspiring the side content is. Eggmanland and the final boss really left a horrible taste in my mouth as well; both took WAY too long and were super unforgiving.
It is what it is; I wouldnt consider it a bad game by any means, but it isn't really that good either. 5 or 6 out of 10 game, imo. I'm happy all subsequent Sonic games trimmed the fat and provided more streamlined experiences that brought the focus to what players really wanted to be engaged with: the levels themselves.
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