FF Seraphim
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Also transgenders isn't a word.
It isn't? Hmm I did not want to say Trans since I know some transgender people who find that somewhat offensive. So whats the plural form of transgender?
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It isn't? Hmm I did not want to say Trans since I know some transgender people who find that somewhat offensive. So whats the plural form of transgender?
"You say you're a woman/man? Then I'm *insert animal or object here"
Is commonly used against trans people, or at least used to be. I've seen a lot less of it this past year though.
Pretty much this. ^
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Not sure why Trans would be offensive? It would really just be transgender still to fix your message it would be:
This is also wrong.
FF Seraphim
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No idea either but wasn't going to argue, if it offended them it offended them, and I would be an asshole if I kept using it in front of them so it became habit I guess.
stan423321
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Actually these "heuristics" make a lot of sense. Point one, some non-serious problems are simply considered unreasonable to avoid and thus undermine your argument. Point two, one selecting non-serious examples amongst others undermines their own credibility (because normally one'd be expected to specifically focus on serious problems). I wouldn't be surprised if there's more of these.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well that makes sense I suppose although I'm confused as to why they would find it offensive.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I'm pretty sure that this is an otherkin joke though, not a trans joke.
Hopefully he apologizes. The joke is really offensive, even if he probably didn't mean it to be.
Also, even if it was "making fun of otherkin," and not directed towards trans people (even though it absolutely has been in the past) do you really think making fun of 13 year olds on Tumblr is worth the potential misunderstanding that people could have?
Also, even if it was "making fun of otherkin," and not directed towards trans people (even though it absolutely has been in the past) do you really think making fun of 13 year olds on Tumblr is worth the potential misunderstanding that people could have?
Simbabbad
Member
This, exactly.
Poking fun at someone's unreasonable obsession isn't "targeting" people. If you poke fun at someone's OCD, are you mocking that person?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Well that would depend on if they have casual, goofy "OCD" or actual clinically diagnosed OCD.
Unless they're your friend and they're okay with what you're saying, absolutely. People with OCD are often extremely self-conscious about it and embarrassed by it, so poking fun at it is definitely insulting them.
Making fun of someone for being really picky/fussy about something, which you may be talking about, doesn't involve OCD.
tirkaroKujo
Member
Well I suppose when your main social media direction is dependent on DANK MAYMZ, it's inevitable you're going to spout something connected to the shitty underbelly of the internet.
The kind of "STOP TRIGGERING ME, I IDENTIFY AS A PURPLE RACCOON, CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE SHITLORD, KEK" brand of ironic "humor" to my knowledge is pretty much the bread and butter of boring gamergate types who were raised on /v/ and /pol/ and whine on twitter about how political correctness is causing white genocide or some nonsense like that.
Even if there was no malicious intention, it doesn't take much research to find out it's not a good look to have at all, especially if you're the official twitter for a franchise popular with children the world over. It's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, but I can see why some are upset about it.
Just my 2 cents.
The kind of "STOP TRIGGERING ME, I IDENTIFY AS A PURPLE RACCOON, CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE SHITLORD, KEK" brand of ironic "humor" to my knowledge is pretty much the bread and butter of boring gamergate types who were raised on /v/ and /pol/ and whine on twitter about how political correctness is causing white genocide or some nonsense like that.
Even if there was no malicious intention, it doesn't take much research to find out it's not a good look to have at all, especially if you're the official twitter for a franchise popular with children the world over. It's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, but I can see why some are upset about it.
Just my 2 cents.
cryptosporidium
Member
going to have to agree that it was completely unintentional. it's a sonic page that routinely makes fun of the weirder side of sonics fanbase so the intent was at 'otherkin' or whatever you want to call it.
but hey many jokes offend to some degree and I personally believe if you can't laugh at yourself then that's your loss. Though of course if this 'was' (it wasn't, that would be stubborn beyond belief) inciting some hatred towards the LGBT community then yes i would agree but it didnt single out anything remotely related to that given the context of the twitter page.
but hey many jokes offend to some degree and I personally believe if you can't laugh at yourself then that's your loss. Though of course if this 'was' (it wasn't, that would be stubborn beyond belief) inciting some hatred towards the LGBT community then yes i would agree but it didnt single out anything remotely related to that given the context of the twitter page.
Simbabbad
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There's no clear distinction between the two. People who had life-breaking OCD and got it cured or limited through various therapy (including brain surgery) still have occasional OCD. OCD itself is silly any way you look at it, which does not imply the people suffering from it are silly, obviously. Joking about a disease isn't necessarily making of people suffering from it, if anything, it creates a distinction between them and the disease. Sanctifying it is IMO a wrong idea, even if obviously it depends on context and what is said.
In our case here, if he was poking fun as "otherkins", I don't think it's a harsh joke.
I disagree that we 'rightfully' call it homophobia, even if people DO call it that. Equating real homophobes who really have bad intentions toward gay people with people who may be unaware that something is offensive is being way too generous to real homophobes. It makes the word homophobe be far less negative if unintended mistakes fall under its umbrella.
If someone makes a mistake and says something wrong, and I call that person a casual liar implying that he meant to do that, it is both extremely generous toward actual liars and very stingy toward the person who is just making a mistake. I think again, the SJW crowd often doesn't appreciate this and feels that if we just call EVERYONE on the continuum a homophobe/racist/transphobe, it will make them change their behavior, but I think probably it will just make people think it's inevitable that everyone is those things and therefore there is no reason to try to change.
Brutalitops
Banned
Makes me wanna buy the next Sonic game. I think it's hilarious.
Supaidaman
Member
Mephiles was right after all, Sonic IS the Iblis Trigger!
Sorry. Please don't kill me.
Sorry. Please don't kill me.
Piston Hyundai
Member
something something Iblis Trigger Warning
SoulUnison
Banned
Ah, Sonic '06.
The game where Trunks the Hedgehog comes back from the future to stop Sonic from accidently proving Islam.
Also, Crisis City might as well be called "The 9/11 Zone."
Generations even proves pretty irrefutably that "Crisis City" is absolutely New York City with street signs indicating "Central Park."
Terrible_Majesty
Member
Did Deadpool take over Sonic's account?
SoulUnison
Banned
What's Empire City then
New York City with the serial numbers filed off.
VectMachine
Member
Iblis Triggered.
Personally, I think this is making a mountain out of a molehill. I've always thought that Otherkin are basically just like furries and bronies: internet punching bags that everyone can laugh at. Mocking them has nothing to do with mocking trans and to put the two at the same level seems more insulting to trans than anything.
I've never heard of anyone getting offended at "Mayonnaise is not a gender", or at least not anyone to be taken seriously. Then again, that's just me.
Still, I'm sure this will blow over soon enough provided he doesn't post any similar jokes. These things never last a few days.
SoulUnison
Banned
Mayonnaise is totally a gender. It's mostly eggs.
I don't think the Sonic tweet was offensive, but it's probably a bad thing when it gets the attention of people like this:
Of course not really Ruby's fault that it got the attention of people who actually try to offend, but he should probably try to avoid attracting that crowd in the future. And also not end tweets with "check your privilege".
I wasn't even talking about this in that quoted tweet.
Of course not really Ruby's fault that it got the attention of people who actually try to offend, but he should probably try to avoid attracting that crowd in the future. And also not end tweets with "check your privilege".
you make good jokes instead
Yeah, "good".
GinoFelino
Member
or,
comedy at the expense of someone's race or religion is shitty
GinoFelino
Member
Oh shit, we wouldn't want nobody to be offended.
Better offend some LGBT folks today just to be safe.
What? What are you saying? Or are you being sarcastic about LGBT not being "people"?
afternoon delight
Member
I love everything about this sentence.
The Sum of Zero
Member
Outrage culture really has gone too far.
GinoFelino
Member
Hm, thought that was clear, but apparently it isn't.
I'm saying that it's perfectly fine for a joke to not offend anyone.
Oh ok. And well, obviously.
The mentality reminds me a bit of the reason Dave Chappelle cancelled Chappelle's Show. At some point with that kind of brand humor, certain people will stop laughing with you and eventually laugh at you, no matter how smart the joke might be. For him he was starting to fear whether or not people ultimately got the point.
Granted, in this context the joke was so low brow that the line was even more blurred.
Simbabbad
Member
Is Punch-Out!! making fun of Glass Joe with French clichés, or Japanese, or Russians, or pretty much everybody, "shitty"? Or is it hilarious because it's tongue in cheek and good fun?
Because I'm French and I find Punch-Out!! hilarious. Recently, people were killed in my country because they made fun of a religion. Where does it end?
Yes. It's almost becoming a bit of a "boy who cried wolf" situation these days.
GinoFelino
Member
You'd think, but apparently the second poster is afraid of that concept.
GinoFelino
Member
Only if by 'outrage', you mean the type where gamers are angry because Capcom removed a buttslap, or the type where Sony has a PS+ month containing only indie games.
I believe Sonic dude didn't mean any harm by using that reference, but the reference itself has a history of harm and ignorance, so it's perfectly fine for people to point that out.
Also, sorry for double post.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
To some people I bet it does and they have every right to think so. Just because something was meant to be good natured fun doesn't mean it actually is.
Simbabbad
Member
What a fantastic world you want people to live in. I remark you put in bold how offensive you think Punch-Out!! is, but don't care about people recently killed for a joke.
You attitude actually militates against the cause you think you're defending. You've already lost.
I'd have to agree with this. It'd be great if we could move past Sonic Twitter's unfortunate tweet, but it makes my heart sink thinking about how he's now resonated with the "lol SJW's" crowd.
Outrage from who?
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