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Sony and Marvel are having a falling out. No marvel studios involvement in future films.
- Thread starter Cybrwzrd
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I was going to post something about the MCU losing Spider-man alongside Cap and Iron Man would be devastating, but then I remembered that an X-men/Fantastic Four reboot will probably come sooner than later.
Bit of a rant on the MCU incoming, but oh well - it seems somewhat related to this news in a tin foil hat wearing sort of way.
To me the current lineup of the Avengers moved from a must-see to a wait and see, as some of the newer characters coming in seem not very likable.
In the old MCU, Cap and Iron man had chemistry together, and seemed like oddly believable co-workers on screen.
Spiderman in the current MCU seemed like he was going to go from the sidekick/adopted son of Iron Man to
Which I'm pretty sure that's not something that Spiderman fans really want to see going forward in a shared cinematic universe.
Bit of a rant on the MCU incoming, but oh well - it seems somewhat related to this news in a tin foil hat wearing sort of way.
To me the current lineup of the Avengers moved from a must-see to a wait and see, as some of the newer characters coming in seem not very likable.
In the old MCU, Cap and Iron man had chemistry together, and seemed like oddly believable co-workers on screen.
Spiderman in the current MCU seemed like he was going to go from the sidekick/adopted son of Iron Man to
the sidekick/Robin of Captain Marvel. Spiderman literally came across as a cute novelty to Captain Marvel in Endgame.
Which I'm pretty sure that's not something that Spiderman fans really want to see going forward in a shared cinematic universe.
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Mattyp
Gold Member
So Disney starts now by starving Sony by cutting all other content, they only own the movie rights. Disney don't have to licence the game or even release anything to help the movie toys etc... they where doing the same with xmen to Fox before buying Fox outright. Seems like an idiot move by Sony to not counter, they never made anything off the franchise without Disneys help.
Surprised their legal team hasn't come up with some loop hole to get this back yet from Sony, they can be as cut throat as anyone. Or attempt to get Sony to spin and sell off Sony Pictures to them.
Surprised their legal team hasn't come up with some loop hole to get this back yet from Sony, they can be as cut throat as anyone. Or attempt to get Sony to spin and sell off Sony Pictures to them.
Bryank75
Banned
Dont get carried away, negotiations are still ongoing. Look at IGN_
Mattyp
Gold Member
Didn't see your update post, makes complete sense but. They need to work with Disney & Marvel. Not tell a much more powerful company to fuck off when its clear Disney wants Spiderman back.
bitbydeath
Member
Bryank75
Banned
I don't think they did but Sony pictures is run independent of the rest of the company. So you can't really blame Yoshida for a decision Pascal may make. Anyway I'm sure it will resolve.
Cybrwzrd
Banned
Yeah, and Sony didn’t even attempt to negotiate. You never start negotiations with what you want.
Plus, half a billion dollars is still half a billion.
Strider311
Member
Guys, this is actually great news! This opens the door for Sony to go back to Spidey’s origin story and finally show us how Uncle Ben died. Take me back to that sorrowful night on the streets when those hallowed words were first spoken... “With great power...”
We will get to see Pete get bit by a spider. We will get to see him be an awkward teenager! All this material that has hardly been touched upon in cinema!
We will get to see Pete get bit by a spider. We will get to see him be an awkward teenager! All this material that has hardly been touched upon in cinema!
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bitbydeath
Member
Even the awful Garfield movies made over 700M.
ASM1 - $757,890,267
ASM2 - $708,996,336
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Cybrwzrd
Banned
My faith in humanity just died a little more.
Doom85
Member
I've always felt that Uncle Ben should at least get a proper name drop, don't think that's asking for much yet I find the MCU solo Spidey films' insane refusal to even do that to be kinda insulting to the mythology to be perfectly honest. It's a goddamn 2+ hour movie, you can't afford a single sentence? You know what I didn't need to see again? Peter in goddman high school again, anyone who knows the comics knows how short that lasted actually so it was frustrating to see it happen yet again for several movies in the MCU.
Miles being in school and a kid is fine since he's a new character, but Peter needs to grow up already.
Strider311
Member
In a perfect world, we would get endless rebooted trilogies of high school Spidey. Surely that is the richest part of the Spider-canon.
All jokes aside, I really want an Agent Venom movie or game.
Whitesnake
Banned
Me watching Uncle Ben die for the 3129th time
All the effort fucking it up you mean.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
We've had 5 non-Disney takes on Spider-Man. We don't need any more. The execs don't know what they're doing with all their meddling.
Just like the WB execs did with some of the DCEU movies, Sony will do with the Spider-Man live-action franchise.
Ex. Spider Man 3, both Amazing Spiderman's..
Generic
Member
Good, after Spiderverse Sony proved they can handle Spider Man better than Disney. Tom Holland was the worst version of the character.
If Sony funded the movies then a 5% share cut for Disney is fair.
newtypepilot
Member
Disney: you, gimme money now!!!
Sony: fuck off
Sony: fuck off
Generic
Member
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Crushing. Seems like PS4 Spider-Man's lighting was only meant to strike once. I wonder what Sony will task Insomniac with. They clearly have a unique and enjoyable take on open world gaming.
JimiNutz
Banned
While I'm certainly not entirely confident in Sony, let's not pretend that they haven't delivered some really good Spider-Man films in the past.
Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Verse are all very good Spider-Man films and prove that Sony are capable. True they have also made some poor Spider-Man films and leaving it up to Sony is a gamble in terms of quality but Disney aren't perfect either.
I don't think it's a simple case of Disney Spider-Man guarantees quality where as Sony Spider-Man guarantees shit.
bitbydeath
Member
Totally new unrelated IP arachnid-man.
Revolutionary
Member
I have to imagine that they've already made a deal regarding the games, and there is no indication that the videogame deal is also dead as a result of this news. Rather, the fact that Sony bought Insomniac is a sign that they're 100% invested in continuing that franchise.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be doom n gloom. Hopefully there's at least one sequel.
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Deleted member 738976
Unconfirmed Member
What a clusterfuck.
At least he managed to show up in Avengers whenever possible.
At least he managed to show up in Avengers whenever possible.
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sol_bad
Member
ASM2 was still considered a financial flop though because Sony have no idea how to budget. It cost somewhere between 200 and 300 million to make that film, double that budget for advertising and it goes up to 400-600 million. All in all, a 100-300 million profit is pretty terrible.
Also, Disney are being greedy fucks, 50% is way to high.
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KingdomHeartsFan
Member
I think Disney forgot they don't own jack shit when it comes to Spider-man, how are you gonna ask for 50% lmao.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
These are separate licensing structures and how they are negotiated from what I understood it. Disney is not directly involved in anything but the film MCU. Marvel approached and dealt with Sony PlayStation directly for the game.
InsomniacGames is joining PlayStation’s Worldwide Studios!
Just buying them before MS do.
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triplestation
Member
i guess this means tom holland and tom hardy are gonna go toe to toe?
yet_another_alt
Member
Sony is in a better postion to negotiate since MCU is currently built up around Spider taking over from Iron Man but they're both idiots if they can't come to a deal.
Halo is Back
Member
Sony’s movie production always fucks it up
Doom85
Member
Hardly. Guardians of the Galaxy, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and to a slightly lesser extent Thor have proven how very profitable they are and they each still have at least 1-2 movies left. Even if a lot of lesser known heroes are about to be brought in, there's no reason to believe they couldn't succeed. I feel some people forget about a decade ago barely anyone outside of seasoned comic readers knew who the fuck the Guardians of the Galaxy were. Like the first movie's trailer having the opening bit be "I'm Star-Lord." "Who?" always felt like it was meant to reflect the viewer's likely reaction as well. A while later and BAM everybody knows exactly who these guys are.
On a similar note, how many probably claimed an Aquaman movie would bomb due to some many people still clinging to a "durr, he talks to fish, what a loser!" joke that got old decades ago? Jason Momoa showed those disbelievers what's what.
The age where Marvel could succeed with only their most mainstream heroes has passed. DC is showing they might be able to accomplish this as well. I'll be disappointed if Spidey is suddenly yanked from the MCU but it hardly spells the end for it.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i am only interested in having spiderman in the MCU as long as it is Tom Holland
afterwards, i dont care. id rather it not be in the MCU. Maybe we can actually get a Spiderman 4
afterwards, i dont care. id rather it not be in the MCU. Maybe we can actually get a Spiderman 4
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plasmawave
Banned
Disney probably expected Sony to play ball but they were like "nope" lol
royox
Member
They have to keep negotiations because this won't benefit any of the parts:
Disney/Marvel: They were pushing Peter as the future leader of the Avengers and he is literally Tony's legacy.
Sony: The most profitable Spider-Man movies they made are fully set in the MCU, the last one ended with a big as fuck cliffhanger and Spidey is 100% dependant on Stark Technology and Gadgets. They can't suddently make a movie cutting every kind of link with Stark or the Avengers.
Disney/Marvel: They were pushing Peter as the future leader of the Avengers and he is literally Tony's legacy.
Sony: The most profitable Spider-Man movies they made are fully set in the MCU, the last one ended with a big as fuck cliffhanger and Spidey is 100% dependant on Stark Technology and Gadgets. They can't suddently make a movie cutting every kind of link with Stark or the Avengers.
VulcanRaven
Member
I'm not sure what to think about this. I'm not a big fan of the MCU Spider-Man but I don't want the series to end like this. Would be great to see Spider-Man and Venom in a same movie if he is out of the MCU.
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Sony making power moves already
VulcanRaven
Member
They might already be making the sequel so they could have the license. Also the movie deal is with Sony Pictures. It might not affect the gaming side.
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Pallas
Member
Depends on how greedy or spiteful Disney gets to be. Sony only controls the movie aspect of Spider-man, I think.