JimmyRustler
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And then you'd buy games on Steam right? Strong hypocrisy.
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Sony has researched new tech for suppressing second-hand game sales
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Do you happen to play PC games? From the 90's this has been the norm nearly with CD keys.
I NEVER buy used as it is so to make this a deal breaker is jumping the gun. Regardless of both MSFT or Sony doing it.
I guess for me, it has little influence but let's see what happens before casting stones.
Not being able to understand that not everyone consume a product the same you do is being self centered at best.
Where did you see me targeting the people gifting games on GAF though?
If anything the existence of these threads reinforce my surprise.
Steam is the only choice on the open platform that is PC?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Give me a break.
I'll buy during Steam sales, the likes of which we NEVER see on consoles.
If consoles start having those sales, I'm in. I give the chance of that happening about 2%, though.
You talk like used games are the same as grabbing roms or ISOs! Not to mention we had Funcoland back in the 90s and I regularly saw used games at Kmart, so it's not as if this option hasn't been around for a long, long time.
Also, consider how much you REALLY save at GameStop buying used: something like $5. If you were really being smart about hunting down a bargain you'd be keeping an eye on ads, looking online, and just waiting for that right moment where a game's $10 or even $20 off rather than just $5. Maybe your angle is that you'd just stockpile on older, really cheap games, but either you were specifically looking for those games or just wanted cheap entertainment, and if it's the former then you'd be saying this is an effort by the industry to, at best, keep monetizing those older games, and at worst push you to ONLY check out the newest and hottest. I can't blame them entirely for the former, but given how bad they can be at keeping some stuff available I'd rather keep my options open, and the latter is utterly abhorrent.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
We already had these sales on consoles.... Of course not a Steam-level yet but many things can happen once used games sales are a thing of the past.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Other than Steam, give me an example in this industry where this has happened recently.
I mean, the lowest we've seen retail prices was microsoft store on Black Friday, and that was like the deal of the century. It never happens like that during the year.
megashock5
Member
Never been to Half Price Books, I take it?
Seriously, why is GAF in uproar over something that will not happen? Jack Tretton said he was against it and I'll take words of SCEA president over this patent.
Usage of this patent is optional, not mandatory and Sony would be insane to go with this tech in PS4. Common sense says that this will never happen so try using it before going into panic mode.
PSN sales from this generation don't exactly fill me with confidence that Sony can handle a system with no used option. The best sales we get are 50% off and that's only if you're paying $50 a year for PS+.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
The thing is that the picture of the industry has changed radically this generation. Of course you were able to get some cheap used games before as well but certainly not to a level like today. It's riddiculusly easy to get used games on the internet and people sell games all over the place. I don't understand how people still fail to see this.
Compare that to movies. A BluRay is, what, 10-15 $? Who's gonna buy that used? And if you buy one you like the movie and most certainly will want to watch it again some day and therefore won't sell it again - and it wouldn't be a good bargain anyway because, like I said, who buys movies used?
Now you have videogames. A new game is 60 $, which is quite a lot of money. You have 8-10 hours minimum you can put in (more if there is a MP) and the chance you're going to play it again are bare none if you aint a hardcore fan. Selling a games is very easy and if you're quick you can get a lot of your 60$ investment back. Therefore A LOT of people yre doing exactly this. And you don't think this is a problem in any way? Wow.
I mean, I sure don't like it either that I can't sell games that I'm propbably never going to play again but that doesn't make me not see that problem the industry is facing with this.
radioheadrule83
Banned
They don't all have to spend themselves into an early grave. If they make software worth keeping people won't resell it. If devs don't survive next gen, maybe they didn't deserve to?
I really don't think this kind of stuff will prove popular. People aren't just going to forget the liberties they enjoy now... unless the whole industry does this in tandem, it won't work, it'll just push people away.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Because if there's one thing we should always take as 100% certain, it's the words of executives.
If they do this, they better tie my account to full access to digital copies of any game I register.
What I'm really worried about though is this destroying the rental market. More than half the console games I play every year now are rentals. Implementing this kind of restriction wouldn't convince me to buy those games. It would just make me buy and play fewer console games.
What I'm really worried about though is this destroying the rental market. More than half the console games I play every year now are rentals. Implementing this kind of restriction wouldn't convince me to buy those games. It would just make me buy and play fewer console games.
You know what's even more funny with the statement of used games banning?
Here every retailers do it now.
I don't mean GAME and other specialised retailers, I mean places like Carrefour, FNAC, Virgin and other generalist store do it now.
You have now infinitely more choice in where to pawn your games than even 2 years ago.
I can't even imagine what publishers would do if they willingly pulled out of the market on their own (because that's what would happen if they ban used sales here).
If the industry doesn't care about losing billions of over something so petty more power to them.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yeah, I'm a bit puzzled by that myself. Many in that thread were saying it was 'anti-consumer' to limit demos.
BibiMaghoo
Member
If Sony do this, some technically minded folk are going to make it their mission to crack the console asap.
It will damage Sony far more than used game sales. Less people will buy the hardware, myself included.
I think it unlikely that the men or women in charge of this are collectively that stupid.
It will damage Sony far more than used game sales. Less people will buy the hardware, myself included.
I think it unlikely that the men or women in charge of this are collectively that stupid.
Well it is (to an extent), I guess more people like to shit on Nintendo than on Sony, heh.
Shin Johnpv
Member
Any system supporting something like this, doesn't get bought by me. It's completely anti-consumer.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
to be honest, i don't even care. i rarely buy used games and i've gone full digital (steam) on pc for a long time, this don't bother me at all.
Demos are meant to be limited, hence "demonstration". It's not anti consumer at all, they don't even need to offer you a demo.
grimshawish
Banned
I think if everyone bought and sold their games more games would be consumed straight from publishers.
EDIT: Limiting a demo makes sense for some games, its up to the publishers. I think things like Fifa really need it; but its also helping me demo a game and I have multiple buying opportunities. I don't see how the trading in system hurts publishers; the big ones I'd say are seeing benefit from it but aren't researching enough into the sellers, just the buyers of second hand titles.
EDIT: Limiting a demo makes sense for some games, its up to the publishers. I think things like Fifa really need it; but its also helping me demo a game and I have multiple buying opportunities. I don't see how the trading in system hurts publishers; the big ones I'd say are seeing benefit from it but aren't researching enough into the sellers, just the buyers of second hand titles.
It's a promotional item, it makes no sense to limit them.
It's like limiting the number of times you can see a trailer to a film.
Let's put it that way :
When I bought the last season of Dr House, I got the 1rst episode of a new show they were trying to push.
It would make no sense to limit the number of views of that episode.
That makes no sense.
As a PC gamer first and foremost, used games aren't really something I ever think about. I don't resell games and I don't buy them used. So this wouldn't affect me.
Still, I don't think it would really work to Sony's advantage if they use such a system. If both Sony and MS use it though...
Still, I don't think it would really work to Sony's advantage if they use such a system. If both Sony and MS use it though...
Shining Sunshine
Banned
This is a great idea!
Doesn't WiiU eshop already allow devs to do this?
Trine 2 for instance had a sale for a while in december.
Yea, pretty much simple as that.
I understand their desire to curb used game sales and I have no problems with things like online passes and pre-order bonuses and whatnot, but outright banning used games is ridiculous.
I suppose the problem would be if every manufacturer implemented a similar system. At that point, I would have to reconsider the hobby as a whole and how I play these games.
Bottom line - in no way, shape, or form will this have me giving more money to MS/Sony or whoever else.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
holy shit, people don't actually buy used games and have already been using a similar system in other platforms? what the fuck?
Shin Johnpv
Member
What is this.... I don't even...
It was just as easy to get used games in the past as it is today. It was ridiculously easy to get used games on the internet, and people sold used games all over the place over 10 years ago. Hell Ebay has been a source of used games since it went public in 98. Used games are no easier/harder to get than they were 10 + years ago.
Hell there's probably less brick and mortar places to buy used games now than there were 20 years ago. I remember as a kid every blockbuster, mom and pop video rental, mom and pop game store sold used NES games. Not to mention there was more than just Gamestop back then.
Which one?
megashock5
Member
The other question I have is - what happens twenty years from now? You can buy second-hand Atari 2600 games today, which is great since they're not sold new any more. So, when the games from the coming generation are well out of print and the servers to check your "ownership status" are long shut down - are these completely useless pieces of plastic? That would be rather sad.
Shin Johnpv
Member
Regardless on if this personally affects you, people have to see how this is fully anti-consumer. Just because something doesn't affect you doesn't make it something worth ignoring.
Too many gamers just roll over and take what ever the game companies do, no matter how it infringes on their rights as consumers. It needs to stop.
I don't remember Spore selling that well though and if anything the cratering of the pc retail market would tend to support the notion that it's not a good move.
Yup.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
how is steam not the same thing? you buy a game that gets tied to your account and can never be traded. it just sits there, whether you liked or not, regardless of how much you paid for it.
You described yur situation but somehow we missed your explanation why it doesn´t make sense.
So if people are used to something, they are pretty likely to accept it? Hmmm......
I know, I wish I knew.
People keep saying well it's been like that on the PC. Have you not notice how niche the PC market has become? How many brick and mortar retailers even sale PC games anymore and the ones that do the selection is severely limited. If this is the routes the console makers want to go we'll see.
Ban Puncher
Member
"Hmmm, I guess we're not going to profit from anything." - Sony Board Member #1
"Uh, how're we gonna get outta here?" - Sony Board Member #2
"We'll dig our way out!" - Sony Board Member #3
"No no, dig up, stupid!" - Kaz Hirai
"Uh, how're we gonna get outta here?" - Sony Board Member #2
"We'll dig our way out!" - Sony Board Member #3
"No no, dig up, stupid!" - Kaz Hirai
Isn't that the store that makes deals every day of the week pushing the value of the games down?
It seemed fairly evident to me, the more eyeballs that watch the promo episode the more people will be interested in actually watching the rest of the show.
I mean you don't usually make a commercial to put it on the smallest billboard ever.