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[flipping_heck]

I finally got my Tales of the Abyss from Lik-sang today, i shedded a tear as i opened the package as it is a farewell to one of my fave import sites.

*salutes Lik-sang*

 

[mashoutposse]

I agree with Zaptruder. BS a HK retailer is going to close a large, popular, PROFITABLE business completely.

$20 says we'll see Sik-Lang within a year.

 

[DarienA]

I agree with Zaptruder. BS a HK retailer is going to close a large, popular, PROFITABLE business completely.

$20 says we'll see Sik-Lang within a year.

This isn't the first time Lik-Sang has closed down due to lawsuits... they'll be back.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

The reason Nintendo changed is becuase they lost the influence they used to have, not out of some sort of benign awakening.

 

[mashoutposse]

This isn't the first time Lik-Sang has closed down due to lawsuits... they'll be back.

Jordan![/Chappelle]

The reason Nintendo changed is becuase they lost the influence they used to have, not out of some sort of benign awakening.

:lol @ anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

[AzureNightmare]

we as gamers must take a stand and show Sony that we will NOT be controlled by them

 

[jko]

too bad everyone who wanted a PS3 already placed their pre-orders, guess Sony's timing was perfect to pull this crap after the pre orders were done. kudos -_-

 

[Amzin]

Is this SCEE specifically that sued them, or Sony as a whole?

 

[Zaptruder]

we as gamers must take a stand and show Sony that we will NOT be controlled by them

Yeah... but if we act irrationally to the news, without garnering the whole story, then we're simply been controlled by another company, albeit a smaller one named Lik-Sang.

Read my post; if you live in Europe (or SCEE territories), import your games.

 

[Nicodimas]

<<wont buy sony shit...just bogus too totally kill another copany..over that..

 

[xaosslug]

sweet lord, the amount of posters in this thread on an agenda-bender... :lol

Well I guess that sucks for people who were going to import it from Japan. And it's a shitty move by Sony. But it doesn't affect me, so: meh.

co-sign.

If Lik-Sang wants to sell product from a company they expressly claim has a "shameful track record", that's their call. But if it comes back to bite them in the ass, why should anyone be particularly mournful of the result?

*Lik-Sang sticks hand in fire*

"Ow, fire burns"

*Lik-Sang continues to hold hand in fire*

"OMG, 3rd degree burns!!! Why me?"

still, gets me. :lol

 

[DCharlie]

Lik-Sang has said that all the PSP consoles it sold in Europe conformed with EU and UK consumer safety regulations.

HOLD on....

PSP safety standards ... surely something that is portable and made to be carried with you (i'd assume globally) should be complicit with most the worlds safety standards?

i mean, by the sound of this , if i take my Japanese PSP to the UK, then i'm potentially at risk. I do not recall sony warning me of this danger. Infact, i'm pretty sure they were emphasising how i could pick up games no matter where i travelled due to the lack of region coding. I may sue. (or not)

"so this seemingly innocent PSP could in fact be a potential death trap..." (SMILE)

 

[tahrikmili]

Yeah... but if we act irrationally to the news, without garnering the whole story, then we're simply been controlled by another company, albeit a smaller one named Lik-Sang.

Read my post; if you live in Europe (or SCEE territories), import your games.

GAF? Irrational?

Impossible!

 

[G4life98]

just wii and 360 for me this gen

and for all the people saying boycotting is useless...how else do we show our displeasure with these companies.

 

[Tadaima]

Eh...

I was actually seriously considering buying a PS3 wen it hits next March, as I'll have the money for it. I think I'll skip on it.

 

[Terrell]

The reason Nintendo changed is becuase they lost the influence they used to have, not out of some sort of benign awakening.

No, the reason they changed was because they got a president who wasn't coping with senility and neglecting his medication.

 

[WYWY]

Last week its legal action against Lik-Sang was validated by a British judge who ruled that it was illegal for the firm to import the Japanese version of PlayStation 3s into Europe ahead of its official release in March 2007.

OK, some European gamer provide some details about European import laws?

 

[The Innocent X]

Just a heads up for importers.

I emailed Play-Asia and they say that they are NOT affected by the Lik-sang ruling, and are still expecting to ship PS3s to europe or indeed anywhere else.

 

[shangius]

OK, some European gamer provide some details about European import laws?

It's illegal for a firm inside EU (in this case, Lik-Sang Europe) to import stuff without permission from the manufacturer. It's legal for the consumer to import stuff for himself from anywhere he chooses.

 

[Il Comodino]

oh god... :lol

 

[sonikokaruto]

so, does anyone over here want to boycott sony?

 

[Do The Mario]

so, does anyone over here want to boycott sony?

I will

 

[bbyybb]

I personally could not give crap either way.

Boycotting sony by me will get me no where anyway.

I will still be getting a PS3 when it comes out because i like the games.

Cheers.

 

[Il Comodino]

so, does anyone over here want to boycott sony?

For now I want boycott Microsoft :lol

 

[Flakster99]

Not much else to add... /rude Sony.

 

[Souldriver]

For now I want boycott Microsoft :lol

also me :lol

 

[Aurora]

This is awful news.

I had three games preordered and they all got cancelled. I've only received a refund for one of the games so I'm a bit worried.

 

[StRaNgE]

I will

as long as they keep making shoddy products that makes me have to deal with their customer service like the Mavica500 then hell yeaz!

 

[Amir0x]

Well I missed this story, but jesus christ.

Sony you sack of sweaty balls. God this industry sucks from every angle.

 

[D-X]

so, does anyone over here want to boycott sony?

I think there should be a separate boycott thread. Oh wait...

 

[Danj]

Lik-Sang hits back at "sour grapes" claim:

Lik-Sang has continued its war of words with Sony over lawsuits which the Hong Kong retailer cites as responsible for its closure, arguing that a number of the PlayStation company's statements in court and since have been misleading or contradictory.

Marketing manager Pascal Clarysse, who has since left Lik-Sang, says that the retailer "spent over a year to vigorously contest the UK court's jurisdiction", despite Sony's claim earlier this week that the retailer made no representations.

He also disputes Sony's claim that employees who allegedly purchased import PlayStation Portable consoles from Lik-Sang as early as December 2004 were doing so for "investigatory purposes", as Sony argued on Tuesday.

"Oddly enough, all investigatory orders that were revealed by Sony to the High Court in London and to the High Court in Hong Kong started much later than the purchases placed by [Sony employees]," Clarysse says.

"Further to this, Sony Europe's own Legal and Business Affairs Manager signed a witness statement in the High Court of London that says that Sony Europe 'became aware' of parallel imported PSP consoles in the UK and in the rest of Europe only in March 2005, and the same witness statement presents a trainee solicitor from Sony's lawyers as the one placing such investigatory orders during May 2005."

With Lik-Sang now out of business, the situation looks bleak for other importers of foreign hardware, but, says Clarysse, it is the human cost that's being felt most now that the dust is settling on this episode. "Unfortunately for Lik-Sang, the current situation is neither a joke, nor a game: A bunch of people, including two highly pregnant women, have lost their basis for existence because of corporate lawsuits for something that is not only regarded as lawful in Hong Kong, it is considered to be beneficial for consumers (free trade)."

Sony declined to comment on Lik-Sang's statement.

Uhoh! Looks like Sony has been telling porky pies!

 

[Ceb]

I will

Well, it's not like this was the final straw for you: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4479941&postcount=128

 

[ziran]

Lik-Sang hits back at "sour grapes" claim:



Uhoh! Looks like Sony has been telling porky pies!

december - march - may...

this has to embarrassing for sony. i mean to effectively force a retailer to close for providing a service willingly used by their employees is pretty scandalous! :lol

 

[D-X]

Uhoh! Looks like Sony has been telling porky pies!

I don't think anyone is surprised by this

 

[jamesb23]

If you want to check out the full Lik-Sang statement we have it here: http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14232

 

[Piper Az]

Does Sony hate pregnant women? OTL

 

[Bowen_B]

Wow, PS3 sales in America and Japan this gen are gonna be pathetic without the EU import bolster.

 

[DarienA]

Wow, PS3 sales in America and Japan this gen are gonna be pathetic without the EU import bolster.

Wha?

 

[linkboy]

HOLD on....

PSP safety standards ... surely something that is portable and made to be carried with you (i'd assume globally) should be complicit with most the worlds safety standards?

i mean, by the sound of this , if i take my Japanese PSP to the UK, then i'm potentially at risk. I do not recall sony warning me of this danger. Infact, i'm pretty sure they were emphasising how i could pick up games no matter where i travelled due to the lack of region coding. I may sue. (or not)

To my knowledge, PSPs sold in Europe are no different then the ones sold in the US or Japan (I have both a US and Japanese (purchased in Japan) PSP). The only thing that would be different is the power cord (US/Japan use the two-prong, Europe uses the big 220prong adapter).

I've used my PSP in US (110v), Japan (100v) and Qatar (220v). Its worked perfectly fine on all three voltages.

 

[WYWY]

It's illegal for a firm inside EU (in this case, Lik-Sang Europe) to import stuff without permission from the manufacturer. It's legal for the consumer to import stuff for himself from anywhere he chooses.

Great information! Thanks!

Now I understand! A 'Lik-Sang Europe' exists! Didn't know that. I was wondering why my imports from LS were taking two weeks to arrive and had European postage markings - the reason why I dropped them 3 years ago and went to PA.

If that's the way European law works, it's a no-brainer that LS will lose the case. There's really no point for LS to fight the suite at all.

On a happier note, I don't think there is such an entity as 'PA Europe'. So PA is still good to go.

 

[LJ11]

Does Sony hate pregnant women? OTL

They've lost their "basis for existence." Sony's responsible for suicidal pregnant women.

 

[Notorious_Roy]

On a happier note, I don't think there is such an entity as 'PA Europe'. So PA is still good to go.

Well, they do have some items shipping from Europe:

This item is also available at our European Shipping Center!

Buy this item with shipping from Europe for these advantages
VAT already included - no custom charges within the EU
Faster shipping - spends less time in transit
Save money on shipping, especially on heavy or bulky items

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-de-77-f-49-en-15-xbox+360+rgb-70-1667.html

 

[Keesie]

Well Sony is in deep trouble financially, right? They just need money from everywhere they can get it :lol

 

[WYWY]

Well, they do have some items shipping from Europe:
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-de-77-f-49-en-15-xbox+360+rgb-70-1667.html

A 3rd party RGB cable? I don't think any of the 3 console manufacturers will complain about it. Or is that a wrong link?

Anyway, there are openings in the law. As long as the business doing the import is outside the EU, things should be good to go.

On hindsight, LS probably imports into their EU centre and ships from there to reduce the price of their goods. They can circumvent the problem by importing into their HK centre instead. It may raise the price of their goods, but it will conform to the EU laws.