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Sony : Q1 PS3 Hardware Sales Up 118 % Year-on-Year
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brain_stew
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gcubed said:
It would be more accurate to state that they're weak in continental Europe. The 360's market share in the UK isn't too far behind what it is in NA and considering the UK is now a bigger market than Japan, well it'd be silly just to discount their performance there.
The 360 and the PS3 might technically be going for runner up in the console race, but if you look at it in another way, they are vying to be the leader for the core market. I have a Wii and I love it, so I'm not trying to troll, but arguing that the Wii is competing for exactly the same dollars that the 360 and PS3 are competing for is disingenuous. I mean if we were going to talk about first place in such a broad manner, technically the Wii is 2nd as the DS should be the leader.
flyinpiranha said:
Growth doesn't quite work like that. And the christmas season usually see's a double month, followed by doubling of that month in the december period.
Reading the papers over here in the UK, the biggest retailers are expecting the best seller to be the ipad, along with KINECT this christmas. Move has hardly been mentioned in those reports.
MS shipped 5 million units by July 2006. http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2006/07/7321.ars I believe MS did manage to ship 10 Million by the end of 2006.Karma said:
I think MS said first to sell, not shipped, 10 million wins.Elios83 said:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/may08/05-14360first10pr.mspx
Segata Sanshiro
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That is correct, MS stuffed the channels and shipped 10 million before the end of 06. It then took them another three months to sell through them, give or take. It's hard to nail down exactly how much they sold by the end of 06 but it was probably around 7.5 - 8.5 million.mintylurb said:
anonymousAversa
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OldJadedGamer said:
:lol
Definitely going to be an interesting fall and holiday season...
gundamkyoukai
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I expect GT5 is going to give PS3 a bump in Europe .
Even if they do a 50 price drop it would still help .
A 300 euro ps3 with GT 5 bundle would make a killing same for NA.
Even if they do a 50 price drop it would still help .
A 300 euro ps3 with GT 5 bundle would make a killing same for NA.
mckmas8808
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anonymousAversa said:
Kinect seems to be such a huge wildcard.
OldJadedGamer
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mckmas8808 said:
And the fact that MS hasn't dropped the entry price of the unit currently in production in over 2 years. I'm pretty sure we will see another drop this Xmas.
SlipperySlope
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Averon said:
So Sony, Microsoft, AND Nintendo's gaming divisions lost money last Q? Not to mention the Capcom disaster of a report. Earnings this Q aren't looking too hot for the industry.
Dedication Through Light
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SlipperySlope said:
I thought it was posted in this thread earlier that Sonys gaming division didnt lose money?
gtj1092 said:
mujun said:
It's not trolling, it's a direct factor in said sales and company placement. Just for you, it's the MS machine in question here with reliability, and not a Sony machine. It's a known FACT that the 360 is the worst built console of all time, and it's pretty well known how many 360 owners even here have had to buy new 360's once theirs was out of warranty, or, when they wanted a "newer-fewer-problem" hardware model. So all in all, their number can be inflated pretty greatly due to this.
And seriously, who wouldn't want to know a real tally on the RRoD? That'd make a great discussion.
Psychotext
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Is Texas worth 25% of the overall results?Serenity said:
yurinka
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I agree, but tie ratio (game units for the system sold / consoles sold) proves this isn't true.J-Rzez said:
360 always had far bigger tie ratio than PS3 and Wii.
With time, after severrall millions RROD systems, this ratio always growed instead of shrinking. PS3's ratio growed even more, now almost equalling 360.
I assume most people send their console to MS or buy a non 360 system instead of just buying another one. This or here we have an issue with 5+ games bundled with each console, or really huge XBLA sales compared with PSN&WiiWare.
AranhaHunter
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gofreak said:
I'm wondering why that is. From the conference call, we know the game business has been profitable for the past 3 quarters and we also know that they are making money on the hardware for the PS3, PSP and PS2, and their biggest IP is finally coming out this FY. There are 2 main things I can think of that would bring the game business back in the red: Price drop or R&D for new HW.
yurinka
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Well, these 160GB/320GB SKUs announced for Japan looks like they are even cheaper (160GB SKU has the same price than current 120GB SKU). And maybe there is a price drop incoming, or they bundle with PSEye, Move or some games with the same price.AranhaHunter said:
I bet they will announce in Gamescon price drop for both PS3 and PSP this year for September.
OldJadedGamer said:
I don't think MS needs too, their new models can last through next spring and then a price cut can be made. I guess we'll see if MS likes money more than trying to maintain their hardware lead.
I think the PS3 overtaking the 360 worldwide is inevitable. It will happen in the next 24 months regardless of what MS does. But the final tally will be close (probably within 5 to 10 million units of each other) so each company just needs to focus on making money since they are both selling hardware at a decent clip now.
Honestly MS needs to focus on selling more hardware outside of USA and UK. Their pull is not that strong beyond those two regions. If Xbox lost one of those regions it would be pretty disastrous to the brand (especially USA). Sony lost some major footing in both regions this gen yet are recovering fairly well. MS does not have other areas to count on.
I think next generation will be a lot more interesting than trying to compare sales of the platforms this gen. MS is going to have to launch against the revitalized Nintendo stronghold and a reinvigorated Playstation platform.
Dedication Through Light
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AranhaHunter said:
Unless they are anticipating losses in the Move arena?
Dedication Through Light said:
They've said the hardware will be profitable out the gate...software usually is too.
There is stuff like R&D to consider, but also foreign exchange, the yen/euro stuff, which is a big uncertainty. So they've reason to be conservative I think.
gofreak said:
Why is this the case if they are already profitable? Traditionally, the summer months have been the LEAST profitable of all other quarters, and yet Sony is already profitable.
What exactly would they have to worry about for the next 3 quarters with respect to profitability? Console prices will continue to drop, and if they keep the price the same, then having full year profitability should be pretty much guaranteed.
Are they less committal because of something we don't know? Price drop?
Paracelsus
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Karma said:
Your so-called advantage caused the "599 united states dollars" disaster, which helped more the XBOX360 than the PS3. When PS3 reached a pricepoint that really meant value as both a gaming machine and bluray player, standalone players were already thrown in your face.
There's a total market collapse outside those two regions. Just look at Japanese weekly sales to see how dire things become at times. Japanese developers are trying to appeal to western markets and some of them fail but they keep trying because their own market is in the shitter.Mrbob said:
As for Europe, the biggest blow of the economic problems are yet to hit us. We've just had a wave of problems in the stock market and government bailouts as well as the shit with Greece(that might repeat itself with Spain) and the fund to save the Euro. All that money has to return somehow and especially students and other low-income groups will be hit pretty hard. So I understand that MS's priority isn't those two markets.
Playstation has always been a popular brand in Europe and now Nintendo has them beat. MS is in a fairly stable position but if retailers aren't willing to buy more products there's not much they can do to improve their position. The jump in popularity from Xbox to Xbox 360 was quite amazing, nothing like GameCube to Wii but still quite an achievement. The expansion of the European market happened when the fools believed that the terrible US economy at that time wouldn't effect the European economy(at least that's what some of our politicians wanted us to believe so they could keep spending).
BruceLeeRoy
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Paracelsus said:
Yeah the blu-ray advantage could be argued as a large Achilles for Sony especially in the beginning.
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Vilix
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Oooooooh, a "My console is better than your console" thread. Haven't seen one of these in a while.
Anywho, I don't believe it'll make a difference who comes out on top, second, third, or even fourth place then gen. The cast been set in the eyes of third party devs/pubs. They see both MS and Sony has equals. Both make viable platforms to reach the audience those devs/pubs want to reach. I don't see Nintendo's home console as being attractive to devs/pubs because they feel their games on Nintendo's console can't compete with Nintendo's own first party games. However, Nintendo's handheld consoles are an exception to this because those handhelds are far and away more popular than anything else on the market.
Anywho, I don't believe it'll make a difference who comes out on top, second, third, or even fourth place then gen. The cast been set in the eyes of third party devs/pubs. They see both MS and Sony has equals. Both make viable platforms to reach the audience those devs/pubs want to reach. I don't see Nintendo's home console as being attractive to devs/pubs because they feel their games on Nintendo's console can't compete with Nintendo's own first party games. However, Nintendo's handheld consoles are an exception to this because those handhelds are far and away more popular than anything else on the market.
OldJadedGamer
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Mrbob said:
Next gen will be the best since there won't be any pre-conceived ideas of who the default winners and losers will be like there was this gen and all three will start on 100% equal footing. I can't remember the last time that ever happened in the history of gaming.
Mrbob said:
I don't know if it matters to the average gamer. The Sega Master System was a great success in Europe over the NES but that meant nothing to the average US/JPN gamer.
Karma said:
Right, this gen we saw Nintendo and MS get stronger then they were last gen where as Sony lost footing this gen compared to last. Next gen is going to be one of the best to watch IMO.
Vilix said:
Agreed, this gen is pretty much set in stone on where games are going to be made and being second or third is not going to change it.
Karma said:
That will only mean that there won't be a second 599 US dollars moment
Btw I'm kinda suprised that it looks like Microsoft won't cut their prices this year too and are betting everything on a high priced device like Kinect. Or at least that's what their 399$ bundle in September and their 299$ bundle in November seem to suggest.
When they announced the discontinuation of the old 360 models at 149$ and 249$ I immediately thought that those prices would be passed on to the slim models in September but that's not the case.
Dedication Through Light
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Cruzader said:
Well Microsoft would have to adopt BluRay, Sony could embrace 100+GB Blu-Rays...though could developers completely fill up the space? Actually at this point wont all three companies have to go Blu-Ray (or would Ninty use faux blu-ray to avoid those royalties?), though I cant see the device not being able to play some form of disc based movie media. The only improved Blu-Ray specs would be more size, right?
The next generation, apart from all 3 consoles focusing on Blu-ray, will probably be about refinements in eachs companies respective motion controllers. I could imagine seeing Nintendo and Sony, perceived by consumers as one and the same again...both would offer 3D and hand based motion controllers.
though it would be a rather dreary gen if its just about Wii2 as Wii with double the power, PS4 with bigger BluRays and power, and 360 with exponential power, lol.
J-Rzez said:
I thought it was a bannable offence to say that a large part of the 360s sales are from people buying replacement consoles? Maybe that was just in NPD threads.
Besides which when I referred to you I was referring to the way you made it sound like a bad thing that the 360 has a high SW attach rate. I'm sure if it was the PS3 in that position you'd be lauding them for their achievement.
Arpharmd B
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J-Rzez said:
You could get banned for saying this. The reason your post is stupid is simple:
Attach rates. If you want to believe that RROD inflated the 360 sales numbers drastically, then that would mean that the 360 has the most retardedly unbelievable attach rate of any console ever by a huge margin.
No one gives a shit anymore. I haven't heard people talking about RROD for like, ages. Sony fanboys need to let this shit go. The consoles had like, a normal death rate for quite some time. At least 2 years, maybe going on 3.
AranhaHunter
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The PS2 ain't going nowhere:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1109326p1.html
Killzone 3 and inFamous 2 are also getting localized with Latin American Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese for those interested. I wonder if GT5 will get the same treatment, I know my cousin would love it if it did.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1109326p1.html
Killzone 3 and inFamous 2 are also getting localized with Latin American Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese for those interested. I wonder if GT5 will get the same treatment, I know my cousin would love it if it did.
ps3 at 199 is sony's secret weapon, correct me if I'm wrong here but aren't over half of the ps2s sold were at a price point of 199?
I can see it happening sometime in 2011 if sony can get 32 nm parts inside and do another redesign and make it slimmer
(white please!!!! crosses fingers)
I can see it happening sometime in 2011 if sony can get 32 nm parts inside and do another redesign and make it slimmer
(white please!!!! crosses fingers)
Dedication Through Light
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AranhaHunter said:
Wow. can they just lower the price of the PS2 already not give us a bundle? Unless that is just going to be available in Latin America?
Classic24 said:ps3 at 199 is sony's secret weapon, correct me if I'm wrong here but aren't over half of the ps2s sold were at a price point of 199?
I can see it happening sometime in 2011 if sony can get 32 nm parts inside and do another redesign and make it slimmer
(white please!!!! crosses fingers)
MS has the same secret weapon though at a lower price.
painful fart
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True. The PS2 is currently outselling the 360 ww, a price cut would likely help some, but at some point the gain starts to wear off.mujun said:
OldJadedGamer
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Atomski said:
Or they could do some weird hybrid HD-DVD disc to prevent piracy like Sega tried with their own format the GD-Rom. Think about it, by the time next gen rolls around stand alone Blu-ray players with Netflix streaming built in will be like $50 bucks so not putting it in a console won't hurt it. The Wii does just fine even though it doesn't play DVD movies.
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