I kinda wish these dudes wouldn't be canon cus they're way too goofy.
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Granted, I doubt they will ever show up again so it doesn't really matter.
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I kinda wish these dudes wouldn't be canon cus they're way too goofy.
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Granted, I doubt they will ever show up again so it doesn't really matter.
keltickennedy
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Until they decide to do episodes 10,11,12 in a few years. New chosen one.
But isn't it obvious what went wrong with Kylo?
Snoke was seducing him basically from birth. How is this making the ways of the Jedi irrelevant? Wouldn't Luke be better served searching for that fucker and bring an end to that dark sider?
I don't see this as very Luke at all. He was the one that rushed off proactively to confront the dark side without proper training and won by tapping into his feelings. And now he wants to be Mr. Passive and study and study the journal of the Whills to do what? To find a way so younglings are not seceptive to seduction by the dark side anymore?
I really hope they bring this across as believable. Does Luke know Snoke was preying on Kylo the whole time or is it all a big misunderstanding on Luke's part?
Like "Oh I thought Kylo went dark side cause I told him he can't marry and have attachments" and Rey is like "doh, Snoke whispered into Kylo's ears since Leia almost bled to death at childbirth because of those ears"
God I hated that entire thing. Putting what is more-or-less God into Star Wars is totally the wrong way to do some episodes that deal with the mystical side of this universe for me. Super on the nose and way too cheesy.
brandonh83
Banned
I don't think it's stupid per se, but I would also be down with this. It's why I'm so intrigued by what's in that damn book in the teaser. That's the cover of the book that will explain everything. It'd be neat if JJ and Kasdan actually came up with the contents of that book while writing VII, or at least the story group. Like a thing that they can make be the referential point of the new trilogy. Whatever's in that book is what Luke is going to try and follow, and that's kinda major.
There's something else though: that may be true, but regardless Luke will still consider it as a massive failure and he could be after more answers than just what went wrong with Kylo specifically. Like Snoke just comes out of nowhere and caused everything to shit the bed. This may be bigger than Kylo or even Snoke's influences.
I mean, maybe. What he did was still wonky territory and he's matured decades since that moment. Now he's in charge of crafting a new order, and that's a major responsibility.
He's out for more knowledge, not necessarily on the island going "oh why oh why did Kylo do that, I fucked up
"You guys really think anything from the Prequels will be mentioned in this new trilogy? I seriously doubt it.
Nice edit, and please keep up with the projection of my emotions. It's part of what makes these thread fun.
Nice edit, and please keep up with the projection of my emotions. It's part of what makes these thread fun.
TFA already mentioned some prequel stuff
WhiteRabbitEXE
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How many times does it need to be disproven that Lucasfilm wants to ignore the existence of the prequels?
In all technicality Anakin's abilities confirmed to The Father that he was the Chosen One - The Father could have been wrong as well. Though if you go by the fan theory that everything that the events on Mortis didn't literally happen and it was all a manifestation of the Force, then that would seem unlikely.
I mean, it's a little hard to see why you'd mention it at all if you're writing these new movies. Either it was dumb all along and you're just going to ignore it or it turned out to be Anakin after all and it's over and done with.
A chapter in the Jedi book will be titled "We's guys fuck" and it'll just be a link to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5wG71gxrvE
This idea that LucasFilm ignores the prequels isn't reflective of reality. TFA already referenced them, Darth Vader's whole castle in Rogue One was from a prequel location, and they're constantly brought up in other media.
This idea that LucasFilm ignores the prequels isn't reflective of reality. TFA already referenced them, Darth Vader's whole castle in Rogue One was from a prequel location, and they're constantly brought up in other media.
The Clones were mentioned in Rogue One (along with Organa). They're not against prequel stuff but it's been so far removed that they probably won't just because there's no story need.
Of all the crappy Snoke theories, Snoke being Maul is the only one I could kind of entertain because he's the one thing I think endures from the Prequels for the general masses. They may not know his name, but they know his face. Also, I just want to hear Duel of the Fates one last time
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This doesn't even make sense, dude.
Stop trying so hard and just talk about Star Wars.
brandonh83
Banned
Yes, and Lucasfilm's story group and many more working there still were heavily involved with the prequels.
Rebels, a running show, has plenty of prequel elements. A lot of people dislike them, but a lot of people grew up with them that do like them, and they're always going to be canon.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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He's not Maul becauseThe Clones were mentioned in Rogue One (along with Organa). They're not against prequel stuff but it's been so far removed that they probably won't just because there's no story need.
Of all the crappy Snoke theories, Snoke being Maul is the only one I could kind of entertain because he's the one thing I think endures from the Prequels for the general masses. They may not know his name, but they know his face. Also, I just want to hear Duel of the Fates one last time
Maul is dead dead.
Also, Maul wouldn't entertain his apprentice being obsessed with a Sith Lord.
The Librarian
Banned
If this dumb prophecy is mentioned again I hope we get an idea of who wrote it and when.Well Yoda did say that the prophecy was probably misread.
Until it turns out to be misread again for EP10-12
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The only way I see the "prophecy" coming up is if the Journals that Luke has on his shelf specifically debunk them, and that ends up coming to bear on why (among other reasons) he thinks the Order as it once stood needs to be severely rethought.
i.e. "Look at this. Look at what this says. Now look at how we interpreted it for centuries. Look at what it did. Look at what it's still doing. Enough of this."
I believe Sam Witwer talked about not knowing what happened to his legs.
Maybe that can be a whole new storyarc, those legs are probably up to no good.
brandonh83
Banned
Yeah. So eager to find out what they came up with.
In regards to Maul, he's been dead since Kenobi cut him in-fucking-half and both halves of his body plummeted what looked like an endless amount of feet down a shaft. His inclusion in Clone Wars and Rebels is the worst kind of fan service.
It's cute how that happens to him in TPM, but
in Rebels he dies from a simple stab wound
PeskyToaster
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Darth Maul should have been a consistent villain in the prequels. He killed Qui Gon which makes him a great trigger for Obi Wan and Anakin's anger. Which would make Anakin killing him for the Emperor more meaningful in RoTS
Oh what could have been!
Oh what could have been!
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Clone Wars and Rebels Maul is way better than TPM Maul though.
I'm with you here. Scrap Count Dooku entirely and make Maul the guy who eventually gets replaced by Vader
Yeah i hope they will ignore it. Vader for me is just a ( fucking cool ) bad guy with mystical powers . In the prequels Anakin is a new Jesus or something like that.
brandonh83
Banned
Doesn't matter to me. It's fucking stupid.
You know those legs would never live quiet life. Come on now.
How is it stupid?
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
If they ever use the words 'chosen one' or 'prophecy' again then I'll knock over a magazine rack.
I always thought Lucas' insistence to bring back Maul was a partial admission that he didn't develop him like he had wanted to in TPM and wanted to go back and correct that. Especially after fans kind of embraced him even with zero characterization in TPM mainly based on looks and the fight.
brandonh83
Banned
Surviving being cut in half where the two halves fall down and endless chute to be brought back in a TV series with a dumbass explanation only for him to die by Kenobi's hand again from a single stab wound is pretty stupid to me.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's the how, not the what.
The HOW of Maul's resurrection makes the what (the fuck!?!) of his resurrection worth it.
The HOW of Maul's resurrection makes the what (the fuck!?!) of his resurrection worth it.
I'd say they redeemed him since the best stuff in TCW and Rebels involve him.
This reminds me, I gotta read that Son of Dathomir comic eventually.
100%
Rebels Maul even says something like this. Something like "Vader is who I was supposed to be".
I mean, it does take a bit of a logical leap to buy into the idea that he survived but everything after that is so fucking good.
You know who else fell down a near endless chute only to survive?
Also,
how he ultimately loses to Kenobi was fucking awesome.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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As far as movies are concerned, Maul has been dead since TPM. I don't mean that in the sense that the TV shows and comics aren't canon, but in the sense that it would be too difficult to satisfyingly work him into the films without feeling forced or confusing general audiences. The Obi-Wan movie was the only chance for that we had and even then it would be just right, and now it's too late for that. There's not really any real reason for it to happen anyway.
Regarding his revival in Clone Wars, yeah, it was fan-service. Lucas wanted him dead but eventually relented to fan demands. But fan-servicey as it was to do, ultimately it yielded an excellent character with some wonderful story arcs across two shows, so it was worthwhile in the end. But it's also a trick that can only be done once.
Regarding his revival in Clone Wars, yeah, it was fan-service. Lucas wanted him dead but eventually relented to fan demands. But fan-servicey as it was to do, ultimately it yielded an excellent character with some wonderful story arcs across two shows, so it was worthwhile in the end. But it's also a trick that can only be done once.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Better in every way. They even gave him a better lightsaber design just to twist the knife.
brandonh83
Banned
For me, more than a "bit"
Maybe it's where I don't hate TPM and I thought his death was fucking rad. The dumb resurrection for me waters down one of my favorite things about TPM.
I'm not even going to point out the difference
edit: I caused all of this shit, guys, and I'm sorry.
Also the Emperor was thrown down a deep hole and "supposedly" died.You know who else fell down a near endless chute only to survive?
Also,how he ultimately loses to Kenobi was fucking awesome.
But where's the proof? Show me Sheev's body! Convince me Snoke isn't Sheev hiding spider legs under there!
PeskyToaster
Member
Pick one or the other, combine them both but spreading out the role among two characters was silly. You needed one, consistent, overt villain while Sheev is pulling the strings.
brandonh83
Banned
He exploded
I'm not even going to point out the difference
That the camera follows one of them and the other doesn't?
Maul coming back in Clone Wars also retcons one of the dumbest deaths in Star Wars.
No body, no death.
brandonh83
Banned
Okay, fine.
Luke went down the shaft in one piece (well, missing a hand) and we saw how the device essentially "scooped" him up at the bottom which led to a waterslide. Maul was cut clean in half before falling so even if there was a waterslide at the bottom, it makes no sense for him to survive at all.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The bolded contradict each other.
The first scene in The Force Awakens mentions the balance of the Force, an idea introduced (in the movies) in The Phantom Menace.
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