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Street Fighter V |OT40002| it's been a Guile, but Urien for a wait
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Hellshingu
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IMBCIT - Rookie
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- Nash/Necalli atm previously played Dictator, Claw, messed around with 90% of the cast. Only really play locally/casuals with people that I know. The struggle of having a career.
- Nash/Necalli atm previously played Dictator, Claw, messed around with 90% of the cast. Only really play locally/casuals with people that I know. The struggle of having a career.
People need to use him. He plays very differently from the other characters, so switching between him and anybody else is going to be tougher than switching between any other 2 characters in the game. I think he's fine as is, it's just a bit sad that people aren't gravitating toward the character. With that said, as somebody who plays a ton of characters I haven't put too much time into Rashid because it would throw off my game and/or I'd have to drop 2 characters to really learn him.
Laura and Gief are very underrated right now. Sim is very good but a little overrated right now. Mika is a tad overrated and I don't know how she's going to deal with Guile.
I can play, I'll send you an invite.
My initial assessment is that Mika will get rekt against Guile.
Hellshingu
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Did Woshige ever demo Guile on that stream? If so does anyone have a link to it?
Poor Luffy.
I assume 1 set was it? GGs. Still pretty confused as to how to deal with Vega's claw in the neutral game; I guess I should be using EX Peach more often.
Luffy plays Mika? I thought Chun would make more sense.
Yeah, he's playing Mika.
"God's Beard!"
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He picks whoever has the biggest boobs, not who has the best playstyle for him. That's not a joke.
I just see Rashid needing to open up the oponnents so many times to get the win.
Guile will wreck so many character, it's not even funny.
The main thing is that SFV is only 2 months old so tier lists at this point in time dont mean shit.
CountBlack
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dont do this
"God's Beard!"
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Tier lists are a reflection of people's understanding of the game, not a full analysis of character interactions. They change.
Also, people still putting Chun above Ryu are maniacs.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I'm a rubbish Ken, how do I play against a Vega?
Vega feels like he has a pretty good rimevs bison as a vega player so I'm not surprised
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";201472374]Tier lists are a reflection of people's understanding of the game, not a full analysis of character interactions. They change.
Also, people still putting Chun above Ryu are maniacs.[/QUOTE]
I know that, but people are already using tier lists created now to state that x character is objectively shit/amazing and needs to be buffed/nerfed which is extremely premature. In general I'd say an overwhelming majority of people see tier lists as a full analysis of character interactions even though they're not.
Also, people still putting Chun above Ryu are maniacs.[/QUOTE]
I know that, but people are already using tier lists created now to state that x character is objectively shit/amazing and needs to be buffed/nerfed which is extremely premature. In general I'd say an overwhelming majority of people see tier lists as a full analysis of character interactions even though they're not.
Alternate between extreme defensiveness and bouts of relentless attack when you get a good read. But mostly stay defensive and don't hit too many buttons.
Mix between tatsu and normal jump ins when you jump. Counterpoke his limbs with buttons and the occasional lk tatsu and abuse him on wakeup.
N
Noray
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what's the rage quit penalty going to be?
Maybe he just needs to be explored more. ShadyK said people are sleeping on him, he'll probably uncover some crazy tech/mixups with him.
Rqers are reverted back to SF4
sixteen-bit
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Luffy doesn't play on stick tho
From the little time I spent messing around with him, his damage output is garbage so that could use a buff. Dunno what else would be good for him
Heavy's Sandvich
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I can't get a jump in really, standing roundhouse just destroys me.
which pokes are good, medium strong and forward get fugging stuffed
crouching medium
I think the balance in this game is pretty good overall. Chun, Cammy, Ryu, Vega and Nash clearly stand out as very strong compared to the rest of the cast, but every character is capable of winning. Capcom has done a good job so far, hopefully they don't pull an AE Yun & Yang with any of the remaining new characters.
Spirit of Jazz
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Vega is in the bottom half of the cast friend. No get off me move, shitty anti-air, and pretty bad normals despite being a character who's supposed to be designed around them. All Vega has going for him is a 3 frame standing short.
RapidCancel
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I think just a damage buff would be fine for me.
CrackpotDesert
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Jump in attack > Command grab
Neutral Jump attack > Neutral jump attack > Command grab
Bolt hit > Command grab
Reizo Ryuu
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Lol Vega? He's not anywhere near the others you mentioned, all he has is his walk speed and long range pokes, he sucks at everything else.
The one thing I've done with Rashid is to stop doing c.mk xx light eagle spike. It does more damage yes, but it resets the neutral. Doing spinning mixer does less damage but it ends with Rashid right next to your knocked down opponent. You need to keep that pressure going.
All I use when I play him.
"God's Beard!"
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I agree with Vega not being top tier, but let's not lie here. His sMP and V-Trigger are extremely powerful.
Idunno man, I definitely think he's one of the most slept on characters. His anti air options are fine once you understand which one works for a given situation. LP roll, st HK, Cr HP without claw work well from the front, st lp to beat neutral jumps, and cr HK slide to prevent crossups and escape the corner. He walks so fast that no one should ever be at an ideal jumping position against him.
I will agree that his get off me pressure is weak but its to make up for how strong he is in every other aspect. He walks faster backwards than most characters walk forward. This makes it difficult for people to even get in range to land attacks. That quick walkspeed also helps with walking out of blockstrings since 1) most characters cant confirm safely off a low and 2) most characters dont get a setup off of normal throw. After blocking two ticks, youre free for the most part since nothing that will reach him at that point is fast enough to stuff his 3 frame short.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on his normals being bad, lol. He has some of the farthest reaching pokes with low recovery and quick startup.
Heavy's Sandvich
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that gets fugging stuffed
sixteen-bit
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They said they'd reschedule for tonight.
Hopefully Twitch hasn't taken this opportunity to change their locks.
Rashid def. needs a small damage buff.
But his mixup ability against someone with really solid defense and without V-trigger can be pretty ineffective for me. Which is why I go for the damage when I can, and then play the mid-range fireball game for chip.
But his mixup ability against someone with really solid defense and without V-trigger can be pretty ineffective for me. Which is why I go for the damage when I can, and then play the mid-range fireball game for chip.
It's a fair point. On wakeup I tend to pressure with s.mp, then do a shimmy, but sometimes the only option is throw... which has the exact same problem as eagle spike, both forward and back throw sends them flying across the screen resets the neutral.
My bad bro I had to dip real quick I thought u were in the discord chat. I can play more in a bit if you're down.
There's a Discord chat?
Spirit of Jazz
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From what I've seen the majority of Vega's anti-air buttons have a tendency to get stuffed so you're almost always better off attempting to get out of the way or going for an air throw. Then most of Vega's normals are weak in regards to hitboxes (his claw stance normals have far worse range than the model suggests), recovery and confirmability next to the other characters with strong pokes. However I'm not going to get into lengthy theorycraft debate when I haven't played a character for over a month. I think you just have to look at how he's currently doing in the competitive scene to see where he's ranked right now. You can claim he's just being slept on, but I don't think he's complex enough of a character for that to be the case.
Though I can't see how you can argue Vega's ranked above Necali who has reversals, command grabs, a 3 frame jab, easy safe confirms, an easy to confirm v-trigger to critical, decent buttons, great anti-air, great damage, a useful v-skill, one of the strongest v-triggers in the game, stupid damage off of crush counters and pressure that leads to a great stun game. To be honest I don't think Vega clearly beats Necali in any area whilst Necali's much better than him in multiple ones.
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