Zombegoast
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A lack of a arcade version hurts them. Consoles are dead in Japan and arcades are more convenient and play with other people than finding a local tournament that may happen once a month.
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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
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A lack of a arcade version hurts them. Consoles are dead in Japan and arcades are more convenient and play with other people than finding a local tournament that may happen once a month.
I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. All these examples are gated behind meter so they aren't free. The bigger issue is what you get off of moves like this. The 2.1 nerf to Urien's EX tackle made perfect sense because it initially allowed you to attack at nearly fullscreen and, either on hit or block, allow you to put them in mix-up city by canceling into VT. That's some Marvel shit.
Even with Tekken 7 Japanese players are not as good at they used to be despite having that on arcade.
TheSpoiler
Member
Too bad. Adapt or die. Plus they have the best internet so they can eat me.
People are catching up. It happens.
My issues with SFV are around quality of life issues as well as mechanics. I think load times, graphical clipping on load screens and general server problems hurt my enjoyment. When I play ranked I would prefer to only verse people in my region, simply setting to 5 bar isn't enough, I still get matches with Japanese players who might hit 5 bars for a quick second but the actual match plays like shit... its frustrating and yes black listing helps but it's still a pain to dig through menus to block a player.
My issues with mechanics are the lack of options defensively, worst still certain characters can repeatedly abuse heavy attacks to fish for a crush counter often with no real negative consequence. Jump ins lead to too much damage and anti airing doesn't lead to and equal amount of damage...
Basically the risk reward is thrown off. If a combo or jump in can lead to 40% then it should carry a massive risk. From a spectator point of view, seeing a player make a huge gamble that pays off is exciting as it watching a huge risk get punished. Unfortunately SFV matches are not all that exciting so all the interest comes from the players themselves and not the game.
I still play sfv everyday, because...... what else am I going to play?
My issues with mechanics are the lack of options defensively, worst still certain characters can repeatedly abuse heavy attacks to fish for a crush counter often with no real negative consequence. Jump ins lead to too much damage and anti airing doesn't lead to and equal amount of damage...
Basically the risk reward is thrown off. If a combo or jump in can lead to 40% then it should carry a massive risk. From a spectator point of view, seeing a player make a huge gamble that pays off is exciting as it watching a huge risk get punished. Unfortunately SFV matches are not all that exciting so all the interest comes from the players themselves and not the game.
I still play sfv everyday, because...... what else am I going to play?
lucebuce12
Member
Is this a serious question lol?
TheSpoiler
Member
Port forwarding
Also loading times for most games that are UE4 will forever be butt
Also play Gundam for that neutral
Also loading times for most games that are UE4 will forever be butt
Also play Gundam for that neutral
enjoy getting rocked lmaooo
lucebuce12
Member
Your avatar is all stretched out and gross looking, just bring back the pocket Juri
The Japanese are a hard-working people and have historically put in a lot of time, money and effort to get good at competitive video games.
But they're nothing in front of the Goddamn KOREANS.
There's a player called EternalEnvy who is a professional Dota 2 player. He's based from the US but he's been in a lot of top tier teams and gotten consistently good results.
Here's what he said back in 2015, when Korean teams were just starting to make a splash in Dota 2.
Serious question, I've never played a Gundam fighting game. Only thing I know of the franchise is that it has cool mechs.
Is there some videos or something that you can share so I can get a sense of what TYPE of fighting game it is?
FWIW I have taken 7 and Injustice 2
At least in my area of the world injustice does not have the online population that SFV has, tekken is quite healthy and I've found myself swapping between tekken and SFV.
Injustice 2 while fun for single player content and playing locally with friends, I don't enjoy the dial a combo gameplay or find the way characters control to be super appealing. It's a casual bit of fun to have but not something I would invest serious time in.
Tekken is great but has an incredibly steep learning curve and while 3D is refreshing I prefer 2D
Now if Guilty Gear Rev 2 could be as popular as SFV (or more popular I should say) that would make me the happiest, it has a steep learning curve, incredible visuals and depth to boot.
At least in my area of the world injustice does not have the online population that SFV has, tekken is quite healthy and I've found myself swapping between tekken and SFV.
Injustice 2 while fun for single player content and playing locally with friends, I don't enjoy the dial a combo gameplay or find the way characters control to be super appealing. It's a casual bit of fun to have but not something I would invest serious time in.
Tekken is great but has an incredibly steep learning curve and while 3D is refreshing I prefer 2D
Now if Guilty Gear Rev 2 could be as popular as SFV (or more popular I should say) that would make me the happiest, it has a steep learning curve, incredible visuals and depth to boot.
Reizo Ryuu
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It's a 2v2 arena fighter, mostly based around good meter management for your dodges. Units have their own "cost" depending on what "tier" they are in. This cost ties into to the max amount of points you spawn with, first team to 0 loses.
Played most of them on ps2 and extreme vs on ps3 and they are pretty dope, but really hard against good players.
Stop discrediting people like Snake, Punk or Du.
TheSpoiler
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Yeah basically this. Suits have fairly good variety in terms of styles of play. You don't get a zillion combos, kinda like SFV, so the depth is teamwork, meter management, spacing, and keeping your points up.
UcchedavÄda
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But that is demonstrably not true, at least not on PC.
A big chunk of the load times are from the transition screens and from contacting the server on PC. Offline, modded SFV can load into a match faster than USFIV.
It is possible that it does take that much longer on PS4, even in the absence of the transition screens, but we obviously have no way of knowing.
lucebuce12
Member
Ohh, I thought it was a 1v1 fighter for some reason
That does sound pretty cool but I just don't enjoy co-operative games as much as I once used to. Still, might give it a shot if the online is decent.
TheSpoiler
Member
Ah man, I might not be able to make it to EVO. At the very least, I won't be able to drown in pools. Started this job far too late in the game and I'd be cutting it close on bills.
That's true. I feel like CEO went a little bit faster than usual because of the update, at the very least.
Yeah you can't 1v1 in this game. From the beta I played it was pretty good tho.
Ucchedavāda;241436772 said:
That's true. I feel like CEO went a little bit faster than usual because of the update, at the very least.
Ohh, I thought it was a 1v1 fighter for some reason
That does sound pretty cool but I just don't enjoy co-operative games as much as I once used to. Still, might give it a shot if the online is decent.
Yeah you can't 1v1 in this game. From the beta I played it was pretty good tho.
what about daigo losing to c tier players though
TheSpoiler
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Deserved after playing like a Bronzer. Don't really care how godlike you used to be, if you play like shit in any fighting game, you deserve the L. Fuck the legacy. And against Menard, he played like absolute dog shit.
blasphemy
sixteen-bit
Member
washed up
Why would that be a comment on the game?
It's not as though SFV results aren't fairly consistent at the top end. Punk and Nuckledu have no problems beating "C-tier players" on the regular so why should Daigo getting blown up, while playing a top tier no less, say something about the game itself?
UcchedavÄda
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I may be misremembering, but I seem to recall Diago getting put into losers and/or eliminated by random players in tournaments in USFIV as well. People were calling him "washed up" even back then.
CountBlack
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tbh
Megawarrior
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Getting old and dusty. The arthritis is setting in.
lucebuce12
Member
Ohh, I thought it was a 1v1 fighter for some reason
That does sound pretty cool but I just don't enjoy co-operative games as much as I once used to. Still, might give it a shot if the online is decent.
GundamGAF is good people too
assuming that the band gets back together for GV
co-op games are great b/c you can transcend the feeling of just losing to losing and causing someone else to lose too.
direct_quote
Member
Well that and the Aris rant that people post where he doesn't make any good points and makes up an argument in his head. Capcom games have problems sure, and they need to be addressed, but I always feel the wrong voices are much louder and then nothing changes.. Also when people have a negative perception of something they will nitpick it to shit as well...Ucchedavāda;241409982 said:
Fucking Liam Neeson will do anything for a buck these days.
sixteen-bit
Member
did abigail get delayed btw?
lucebuce12
Member
I don't think even the people at Capcpom US know about that.
UcchedavÄda
Member
Tekken
MK
Injustice
Guilty Gear
Smash
KI
Various non giant franchise fighters
There are a lot of options. Have fun, enjoy yourself, explore.
lucebuce12
Member
It saddens me that Killer Instinct falls into the "various non giant franchise fighters" section
lucebuce12
Member
As am I but the game allows me to stab a dinosaur then stomp on it's face so I stick with it.
It also lets me play as a satan. You know how to get me to look at your game, let me play as a satan. Tekken lets me play as 3 satans. Some top tier shit
Ki is a gift though, like the weird ass costumes, that raptor has a cheerleader outfit. Coolest dumbest shit.
Speaking of which, me and a friend of mine were talking, we kind of came to the conclusion that if SF6 happens, its going to be a dress up boy. Its going to be a customization game I feel like that's where this genre , and great many genre's are going and its way for companies to make a lot of cash.
I hope those people who hate custom costumes are ready is all i'm saying
Ki is a gift though, like the weird ass costumes, that raptor has a cheerleader outfit. Coolest dumbest shit.
Speaking of which, me and a friend of mine were talking, we kind of came to the conclusion that if SF6 happens, its going to be a dress up boy. Its going to be a customization game I feel like that's where this genre , and great many genre's are going and its way for companies to make a lot of cash.
I hope those people who hate custom costumes are ready is all i'm saying
Reizo Ryuu
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None of these play like sf, which is obviously what the poster meant.
UcchedavÄda
Member
There's Yatagarasu ... if you want to play a totally dead fighting game.
lucebuce12
Member
The problem with custom costumes is largely the fact that they're implemented poorly.
They CAN be done in a way where it fits the character, looks cool and isn't distracting (exactly what IJ2 did). The problem with this approach though is that you won't get any insane customization options, like the furry penis man from Soul Calibur 5. And it requires a lot of fine-tuning and manpower to do this if you have a large roster.
Killer Instinct has a decent amount of customization options for all the characters. They almost all look like shit because they feel like stuff that's just tacked on to the character with no consideration on how it actually looks on the model, EVEN THOUGH EVERY CHARACTER HAS UNIQUE CUSTOMIZATIONS.
I certainly don't mind custom costumes but then you also have to take care of those things and also implement options for people who don't want to have to put up with that shit. Namely the ability to stop any customizations from showing on your screen if you're playing online. Tekken 7 severely needs this as most people have no taste.
TheSpoiler
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I feel like this is a damn cycle. Like shit gets good finally and it's like, yeah, nice, and then we wait weeks for things that we shouldn't have. Like when we were getting the CFN, they were booty about talking to us for a while, and THEN finally they had a post on their Twitter saying "here's the next character trailer data". Before that, I think they even said "it's coming soon!" or some shit. And that was better.
But now we are back in the waiting game and it's silly. If it's delayed, tell us. How about a weekly report on things. I just want to know where the character is at in terms of development.
for real
Etrian Oddity
Member
holy fuck, still nothing from Capcom
Karsticles
Member
Some people just want to be miserable.
Definitely agree with this. More consistent communication (whether its good news or bad news) is better than what they're doing today.