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Suicide Squad novelization (based on original script) out, makes it good.

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Ahasverus

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WB certainly butchered the script to hell and back, here's a very handy summary of how the movie played up in the script. Now with arcs and stuff!

June being an archaeologist. She's had nightmares with a figure in it that looks just like her telling her to come to this jungle, or she will die. She doesn't want to die, so she goes along with it. In the temple, which she falls into, she sees 2 statues and feels compelled to break one of them. That's when Enchantress possesses her

Next we get to Joker's paramilitary guys invading Arkham. They kill a bunch of inmates and guards. Frost takes Harley to Joker and Joker is pissed at her for giving him shock therapy and burning away what little memories he had, so he zaps her until she's a drooling mess. Frost thinks she's hot.

Next we cut to that scene with Deadshot and Angelo. It's largely the same as in the movie, except we get to see Deadshot setting up. He gives a bunch of homeless people some burrito coupons to clear them out of the area so he can make clean shots without anyone getting in the way. He also sets up the metal plates around key corners so his bullets can ricochet into the mob snitch.

Then we cut back to the club. Largely the same as in the movie. Major difference is it spells out Joker's interaction more. Basically, Joker lets Harley dance, but anyone that looks at her too long gets killed. Monster T was guilty of doing that, so Joker plays a little game with him. Same as the movie, except Monster T kills himself instead of Joker doing it because he thinks Joker would torture him first. Joker is pissed at Harley for making him kill someone that pulled in as much cash as T.

Next we're back with Deadshot. The interaction with his daughter is played out more. It's clear that her mom's a prostitute in this version, and Deadshot doesn't want to take his daughter by force because he knows that will turn the kid against him. Anyway, his visitation ends and Zoe drives off with her mom. After the car is out of view, he turns into an alley and says he's thankful that "you waited until she was gone". Batman comes down and they fight a little. It's brutal. Batman shackles him and flies off before the cops get there.

We cut to the chase scene. Right after the club fiasco, Joker's so pissed he feels like he needs to drive, and he's speeding through the streets with Harley insisting he go faster ("Do it, Puddin!"). He's mad that Harley keeps testing him and causing him to kill his men. At one point, he drives the car through a mall, but unluckily doesn't get to run anyone over. He decides he's going to slam the car into a wall, but changes his mind when he sees Batman is now chasing him. Rest plays out like the film. Most significant change is at the end Batman says "Joker took something precious from me. Now it's my turn," as he's captured Harley.

Harley at Belle Reve. The scene where she first interacts with Griggs plays out almost exactly like the movie. No major differences.
Deadshot next. He's just training in his cell. The punching bag is just his mattress tied with his sheet.

Next we go to Rick Flag, GQ and the rest of his team. They break into a building to take down someone. Rick kicks down the door with his gun ready, but all he sees is a woman sitting in a tub of black liquid with a pentagram behind her head, crying. That's how he meets June. Waller introduces herself and says she can help her, so June joins.
Then Diablo, who's in a dark room with the fire in the shape of his girl dancing in his palm.

Back to Waller. She's at the restaurant and proposing her plan to the same two guys as in the film. The only major difference is they talk about Superman like he's alive and treat him with a lot less reverence (maybe it was a late script change that Supes was dead).

Back to Harley, who's being force-fed and thinking that Joker will come rescue her eventually. Griggs strokes her thigh while she's being fed "chocolate flavored crap".
Back to Deadshot, who's threatening Griggs because he's giving him food not even fit for rabid mongrels. Griggs threatens him a lot.
Now Croc, who they throw a goat down to. He doesn't seem angry, or upset. He's just living.

Waller at the Pentagon is the next scene. The novelization makes this scene clearer, and much better as a result. Remember in the movie where one of the guys opens up a classified document on the Enchantress, then Enchantress glances at him and it doesn't seem like it's anything that important? In the novelization, the same thing happens, but Waller quickly shuts it and hopes Enchantress didn't see that her brother's statue was in their possession. It's the same plot point as the movie, but fuck does that make it clearer. At least for me. Everything else plays out pretty much the same.
Back to Reve. Waller, June and Flag arrive. The Deadshot weapon demonstration happens, same as in the movie

Deadshot goes to his cell to see a steak dinner and a real punching bag waiting for him. He realizes that it didn't matter if he turned down their offer or not; they already decided for him.

○○Flag goes to meet Croc. Same interaction as the movie, except Flag notes he looks different from his mugshots, indicating he's still mutating.
Cut to Joker laying in the circle of guns and knives. He's "drunk and miserable". Every weapon around him is something he could use to kill himself; he never knew he'd miss her at all.

○○"He didn't think he'd ever miss her. After all, she offered him nothing beyond total subservience and unconditional love. Traits he was absolutely certain could easily be replaced by adopting some mangy, flea-bitten shelter dog.

○○But finding another sex-starved, mallet-wielding psychopath didn't turn out to be quite that easy. Even though he had wanted to take a drill to her head every time she called him Puddin' or Mr. J, he actually craved that now.

○○''Where are you, you Looney Tune? Your Puddin' wants you''

○○○Frost enters the room, like in the movie, and is nervous because he's unsure how Joker will react. He swears on his life his information is good; Joker replies "If you're going to swear, do it on something that matters."

June scene. She's not sure how to feel about Flag, but he doesn't get close to anyone, not even the soldiers in his squad. Flag joins her and they talk and bond, scene ending with Flag kissing her. Also, it's revealed she can see and hear what Enchantress is doing when Enchantress is in control of the body.

Back to the prison. Flag shows Diablo the prison riot he was part of. Diablo insists that person immolating people is dead and he's done with that life. He isolates himself and tries to bury his past, and hates when people bring it up. Rest is the same as the movie. June is at an office in the prison with Flag after Diablo refuses him, and there's more relationship stuff. Waller comes into the room and says "I hope you two are using protection. Wouldn't want you spawning the anti-christ." Waller makes June leave, and she and Flag have the same conversation as in the movie where he says "... psychotic antisocial freak..."

Casino scene. Griggs there and it plays out the same as in the movie. Joker, Frost, all of that good stuff.
Back to Flag and June in their hotel room. Flag wakes up in the middle of the night, but unlike the movie he doesn't eat any chicken (maybe Joel was just hungry?). Basically, same as the movie, except Enchantress verbally threatens Flag after she takes over from June when he tries to call Waller.

Enchantress, now intrigued about the aforementioned photo of her brother's statue, goes to Waller's home. Waller is passed out from a night of downing a wine bottle alone. Enchantress looks through Waller's possessions and find it.
Cut to a subway where "Gerard Davis" is using the bathroom. Enchantress slams his head into a mirror, everything plays out same as the movie, except she and her brother speak longer.

Cut back to the apartment with Enchantress returning. Flag points the gun at her forehead, but Enchantress says he won't pull the trigger for fear of hurting June. She undoes the loin cloth and Rick can't resist her, but seeing him in danger makes June start fighting for control. Enchantress becomes angry that she isn't powerful enough yet to have permanent control, so she gives June back her body. June, like in the movie, is crying and begging Rick to kill her if it ever comes to that.

Back to Incubus. Exactly the same as the movie, except we get more of his thoughts. Basically, he's a momma's boy. Well, sister's boy... sister's bro. Whichever. But yeah, he thinks she knows best and stuff.

Back to Flag. He's sitting in a chair by the bed and watching June sleep. He gets a text from Waller telling him it's mission time.

At Belle Reve, the prison guards round up the inmates. A bit more detailed than the montage in the film, but pretty much the same. This is also where they get the bombs in their necks.

○○Griggs gets Deadshot, but beats him with a handgun first. Deadshot takes it because there's guys with guns trained on him, and he'll wait for his chance to get back at Griggs.
○○Everyone else is identical to the film. Just like in the movie, Griggs slips Harley the phone.
Now to Joker at the lab. Scene plays out exactly like the movie, except the exploding basket doesn't kill the guard; only knock him out. Joker comes out of the truck with a ball-peen hammer and beats the guard's head in until he's dead. Rest is accurate to the film, and it's noted by Frost that Joker hires insane people to put on those costumes and they're not known for subtlety.

ACT II
At the military camp, Flag arrives and is introduced to Edwards, who goes by the nickname "GQ," so this is their first meeting. GQ's guys are SEALS and it's noted that GQ is one of the best in the military.

The Skwad arrives, pretty much the exact same way as the movie. If you've been following, you'll notice Captain Boomerang and Slipknot didn't get any mentions: that's because this is where they are first mentioned in the story.

○○Boomerang shows up the same as in the movie and does the same stuff. Flag tells GQ to be careful because Boomerang could take down half his squad if given one of his razor Boomerangs. Boomerang greets Flag like he knows him and says he has no idea why he's there, and the last thing he remembers is a red streak hitting him out of nowhere (we don't see this scene). Flag says he was robbing a bank. Rest plays out like the movie.

○○Slipknot arrives the same way, except he punches a guy instead of a girl. (This change might be due to the casting of Adam Beach. The novel makes note that Slipknot is "a mountain of a man," while Beach really isn't that big)
○○Squad arms themselves like in the movie. Boomerang doesn't have a pink unicorn yet.

Katana gets introduced the same as in the movie, except Flag doesn't mention the sword or the soul-stealing. We don't get a recap of her backstory.

○○Funny exchange where Harley says to Deadshot, "She named herself after her weapon?" Then Deadshot points at his own chest, then nods at Captain Boomerang, then Harley shuts up.

○○Boomerang asks how much he's getting paid for this mission.

○○○Harley interjects and tells Flag she should at least be making 79% of what they're paying Boomerang since she's a woman.

○○Harley asks Croc why he's on this mission. Croc replies he's doing it because fighting is more fun that living in a barred sewer.

○○Harley is basically talking to lighten the mood and get everyone's spirits up, so she looks at Deadshot next. Sensing that's her motive, he says he's just in it to see his daughter again.

○○She asks Slipknot next, but he only says he's doing it to have his ropes on and his shackles off.

○○Diablo's turn. He doesn't answer, so she psychoanalyzes him and determines he's just there looking for a way to die. He doesn't deny it, but says he won't be dragging them down with him because someone like him only deserves to die alone.

○○Harley says the six or seven of them are in it together.

○○○Croc corrects her to six. (Because fuck that Rick Flag guy)

Next we get into Flag's head. He's looking down at a destroyed building in Midway and remembering that in high school he had a shitty job there, and it was the place he lost his virginity in a broom closet with Shirley something (her name is said, but I don't remember it).

○○Diablo is looking at all the fires raging down below and is having bad memories coming back to him that involve fires burning people to death. Their screams still haunt him.

○○While everyone was being contemplative, Harley was secretly texting Joker to pick her up. He says "I will." Deadshot is the only one to see. He nods, indicating he'll keep her secret.

Now cut to Frost, Joker and their men in a car. Frost looks at Joker, who's buried in his phone texting someone. He notices Joker's eyes are watery. Maybe the boss is crying? Nah. He asks Joker is he's okay, nonetheless, but Joker waves him off.

Back to the chopper, Flag and Deadshot have the same conversation like in the movie. The plane gets shot down, and Slipknot is about to escape, causing Katana to draw her sword. As the chopper is spiraling, Flag warns him against doing anything because if he gets killed by Katana his soul will be trapped. Crashes like in the movie.

On the ground, Harley tries having a conversation with Katana, but it goes nowhere and Katana threatens her. Boomerang sees Katana is distracted by Harley and approaches Slipknot with his plan. Slipknot dies same as in the movie.

○○After, Harley says to him that she knows he never planned on escaping, He just wanted to test the bombs. Boomer denies, but she tells him she and Deadshot are planning on making an escape, and he says he's in.

○○○He tries to convince Diablo, but Diablo isn't having any of it. He convinces Croc, but still gets slammed into a car.

We cut back to 26 hours ago when the attack on Midway just started. Apparently the death toll is 1.5 million and all the bridges to the city have been destroyed.
First engagement with the Eyes of the Adversary plays out like in the movie, but a lot of it is expanded. I'm guessing this is because it's a novel, rather than it being this lengthy in the script.

○○Diablo is the first to identify the EA and that they're not really men.

○○Waller is watching the battle unfold. It's not at all hidden from the reader that she's in Midway City, even though it was a twist in the movie.

○○The EA take a shit ton of bullets to kill and are resistant to damage. The only ways to put them down are smashing their heads into tiny pieces or decapitation. Bullets are less useful than, say, something like Harley's baseball bat.

○○Everyone is initially overwhelmed except Croc, who dispatches them brutally and easily.

○○This is the first place Boomerang's unicorn is mentioned. It's called "Pinky" and he keeps it in his pocket as a good luck charm. He's had it since childhood.

○○Deadshot has his "How I Cut and Run" scene like in the movie, but Croc and Harley have big action sequences too.

○○○The first bit of the Squad bonding with the soldiers comes when one of GQ's men gives Deadshot a handshake for how much of a badass he was there.

○○Boomerang is pissed off by Diablo doing nothing. They have the same exchange like in the movie, except it makes more sense here because the rest of Boomerang's dialogue isn't cut:

"You're the fire bloke, eh? Well who needs you? [ignites his lighter] Lookie here, fire! We are what we are, mate, why fight it?"

Diablo: "What if what we are isn't what we should be?"

Boomer: "Different strokes. I say if it feels good, do it

○○GQ confronts Flag, pissed that ten of his SEALS died. He and his men were told that Midway was under attack by terrorists, not monsters. He presses Flag, and even though Flag threatens him he stands his ground. Flag relents and says they have some vague theories for what the Eyes of the Adversary are, but only Enchantress knows for sure.
We cut to Enchantress turning a soldier into an EA. Same as the movie, except this soldier is one of GQ's men that we'd been introduced to earlier.

Back to the battlefield, we see Croc and Deadshot talking. Croc gives him a list with a bunch of names and says when they're back in Gotham, he wants all of those guys dead. Deadshot says his services don't come cheap. Croc asks him if he remembers a client that asked for him to cut out a target's heart and mail it to him. Deadshot says he remembers that sick bastard. Croc says he WAS that sick bastard, so he's good for the money. I found this interaction pretty funny.

They come to the building Waller's in, like the movie, just some added dialogue. Harley goes up the elevator and fights two EA, like the movie. They have the shootout inside the building with more Eyes of the Adversary, like in the movie. Where it deviates is instead of Diablo roasting the EA with Deadshot's prodding, it's instead GQ firing a grenade launcher.

○○Deadshot does try to piss Diablo off for not doing anything again though. He says the EA were men and women once, with families and they just killed them all. Then says Diablo has some knowledge about that. Diablo starts getting mad and his fingers become flames, but then Deadshot quickly apologizes and Diablo retreats to somewhere he can be alone to calm down. His power is tied to his anger, which is why he keeps to himself. This was said in the movie, but it's illustrated clearer here. Namely, the fact that he has very little control over his power.
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The rest did not fit this post. Also, shamelessly stolen from reddit

Discuss? I guess.
Fuck WB
 

Ahasverus

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Why would anyone read a novelization of a bad movie?
Because word got out that the movie was edited late by a trailer house and the director's cut was axed, so it's a chance to see what came before the trainwreck. At least it's kinda endearing now.
 
Actually to be fair I couldn't really fathom reading the novelization of any comic book movie. Good or bad. Sounds painful and just a terrible medium to take it in.

Comic adaptations might work tho.
 

Anth0ny

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Actually to be fair I couldn't really fathom reading the novelization of any comic book movie. Good or bad. Sounds painful and just a terrible medium to take it in.

Comic adaptations might work tho.

i too would like a comic adaptation of a novel adaptation of a movie based off a comic book
 

Alienous

Member
This was discussed on Reddit pretty soon after the film came out. One thing is that Joker and Harley's relationship is a lot more authentic to the comics - for example when he rescues her he's angry at her for making him have to go out of his way to save her, and ends up pushing her out of the helicopter in anger, inadvertedly saving her life.

It seems like the reshoots removed a lot of that.
 
A more coherent structure like this would have certainly improved the movie substantially, but it was just one of a number of issues. It's a near "back to the drawing board" mess.

My pitch for a SS movie would have essentially been The Dirty Dozen with superpowers. US Government needs to get a Kryptonite Wonder-MacGuffen or something, but it's being held by some bad people, maybe an army of mercenaries led by a re imagined B-tier DC villain.

For the reason of some other plot convenience, they can't send conventional guys in to do it, so in comes Waller's gang of misfits.

Keep the plot fairly straightforward (maybe a few plot-twists in there), get in a director/DOP/stunt team with some good acting chops, and concentrate on character development without building up the running time too much.
 

Henkka

Banned
Even the action sequels of the movie are bad and very confusing. This nothing movie grossed over 700 million.

Yeah. Some people say there's a good movie underneath it all, ruined by studio meddling. I disagree, and skimming through that summary does little to change my mind. Some parts are definitely better with more context, like that club scene with Harley dancing. But the real big problems of the movie were already there in the script, like the squad taking on an ancient goddess instead of something that matches their abilities. It's a bad script, executed poorly (As you said, there's not even interesting cinematography) and then torn apart and put back together by studio executives who wanted to make it more like GotG and Deadpool.
 

deleted

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This might sound weird - I got into TMNT back then by reading the novelization of the movie. Parents were kinda strict on violent movies as a child, so the actual movie was a no go. First one I got to see was.. TMNT 3.

Anyway, this might be worth a look if I ever see the movie.
 

DeathyBoy

Banned
I'm sorry, but if you think Suicide Squad would be improved by Joker crying, Flag remembering where he lost his virginity and removing .Diablo flaming on for random guy using a grenade launcher, I'm glad you're not a paid writer.

Most these "new" bits are awful.

Save for more Croc. Joker crying is genuinely embarrassing.
 

Burt

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If most of that was filmed and cut for the sake of the dogshit that did make it in the film, someone needs to get fired.

Not that that would ever happen when it comes to the DCCU.

The cut that really sticks out as a good one is declaring that 1.5 million people died and the government had already tried nuking one of its own cities.
 

Kibbles

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Yeah this was released back when the movie was.
If most of that was filmed and cut for the sake of the dogshit that did make it in the film, someone needs to get fired.

Not that that would ever happen when it comes to the DCCU.

The cut that really sticks out as a good one is declaring that 1.5 million people died and the government had already tried nuking one of its own cities.
It was. For example the scene where Monster T shoots himself, there was a still of him holding Joker's gun released while Joker was begging at his feet (to shoot Harley), there was a still of Joker scolding Harley in the helicopter and you can see he has his normal haircut, whereas in the final film he's obviously wearing a wig in a different hairstyle and of course that confrontation never happens. The trailer company really shortened a lot too.
 

DeathyBoy

Banned
Everything about the Joker is terrible in this write-up, holy shit.

Almost everything is terrible.

Maybe SS wasn't your cup of tea, but I'd think most people wouldn't need Boomerang to fucking break the fourth wall and keep feeling people why he's saying what he's saying so the reader can keep up.
 

nynt9

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I don't understand the mentality it would take for someone to consider this good. Maybe improved over the dogshit movie, but still not good at all.
 

Caboose

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Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
This Joker sucks. He's just a mob boss it seems like.
This is what I dislike the most about ghe new Joker. He's supposed to be this almost outerwordly force of nature but it seems like in the DCU he's just an eccentric mob boss.

I don't buy that this guys is Batman's archenemy at all.
 
This is what I dislike the most about ghe new Joker. He's supposed to be this almost outerwordly force of nature but it seems like in the DCU he's just an eccentric mob boss.

I don't buy that this guys is Batman's archenemy at all.

Joker has a lot of different incarnations and mob boss Joker is one of the better known ones.

Given the tall shadow Ledger's performance cast, I believe this was the right variant of Joker to go for, and I think Leto is excellently cast, it's just that the material isn't great.
 
I don't know that I trust the judgement of people who would read the novelization of the Suicide Squad movie.

It's like someone telling you that a turd sandwich tastes good. Are you going to listen to a guy that put shit in his mouth?
 

bengraven

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Used to read adaptations all the time because of the deleted or unfilmed shit. As a kid especially. Back to the Future 2 and 3 adaptations for example.
 

JimiNutz

Banned
I didn't read it all (as based on what I read I may actually like this novel and may read it in future) but this version sounds much better than the film we got.
 

Litan

Member
Joker has a lot of different incarnations and mob boss Joker is one of the better known ones.

Given the tall shadow Ledger's performance cast, I believe this was the right variant of Joker to go for, and I think Leto is excellently cast, it's just that the material isn't great.
Is it really? I know that's how he started off in the beginning, but I wouldn't say Mobster Joker is one of the most well known incarnations.
Can't think of any comic/show/movie he's been in with that version of him.
 
Some parts are better, some parts are worse. Very par, for the course.

Conceptually, the main premise has too many unanswered questions regardless of who meddled who. But for me the characters and performances bring it all up to a net positive.
 
Mob boss joker is fine. His look is fine too. Just found his scenes to be hella uninteresting which is a huge problem when you're dealing with the joker. Bad scenes in a bad movie when I went in thinking at least he'll carry his part of the film despite how the movie turned out

Maybe he's salvageable. I'm just not sure I want them to waste a Batman movie to find that out tho
 

Bleepey

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A more coherent structure like this would have certainly improved the movie substantially, but it was just one of a number of issues. It's a near "back to the drawing board" mess.

My pitch for a SS movie would have essentially been The Dirty Dozen with superpowers. US Government needs to get a Kryptonite Wonder-MacGuffen or something, but it's being held by some bad people, maybe an army of mercenaries led by a re imagined B-tier DC villain.

For the reason of some other plot convenience, they can't send conventional guys in to do it, so in comes Waller's gang of misfits.

Keep the plot fairly straightforward (maybe a few plot-twists in there), get in a director/DOP/stunt team with some good acting chops, and concentrate on character development without building up the running time too much.

I kinda agree, I loved the first 2/3 of the movie, the final third was lacking though and I'd exise it. It would have been better to have Enchantress neutered somehow, maybe teleportation makes her really really weak or maybe make her incapable of teleporting and save her going crazy for another movie.

The saved time could be used to have the movie focus on a heist, maybe have a uncooperative Rob Cordry type they need to escort back and have a lot of comedy and tension come from the fact the Squad must overcome the urge to put a bullet in the target's head as well as protecting said client from having a bullet in his ass. Throughout the film use all their abilities. Harley is doing her gymnastic shit, soul taker used for interrogation, Boomerang's trick boomerangs for reconnaissance with potentially deus ex machines boomerangs, have him be a walking Aussie stereotype right down to an affinity for casual racism, Killer Croc for muscle and reconnaissance and Rick Flag basically having to keep them all in check. Possibly have the Joker or Batman act as a spoiler to the Squad's mission. When the Squad succeed Amanda Waller gets the individual and then puts a bullet in the targets head once she gets the item or info they have because national security and she's a cruel bitch.
 
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