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System Shock Remastered Kickstarter Launched (PC/XB1) | 900K Goal - Demo Available
- Thread starter dancrane212
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It's really, really niche. I think the other thing is that outside of a few developers who have gathered a KS "following", most will probably never reach a multi-million dollar level, no matter what they do. That hype is just gone, and I think that was inevitable. Also, even if this game only gets the 900K goal (I think it will reach more, actually) it would still be a really great game, from what I saw in the demo.
Sparrowhawk
Member
Is it because they'll make more of a profit using Unity?
Yeah, Kickstarter seems to be going downhill and I can understand why. No game is ever released on time and some aren't released at all. It sucks because Night Dive Studios seems awesome and they deserve to hit all of their stretch goals for this classic game.
And I am tired of people thinking an engine switch would magically turn up performance and polish.
I would rather have them invest the time in improving the tech they have now.
dr_rus
Member
It's likely because they're familiar with it. I feel like too many games are using Unity lately, and all of them are having the same issues.
coughlanio
Member
It'll likely hit closer to 2 million given how projects tend to track in the last few days.
coughlanio
Member
Exactly, and Unity Pro will allow them to turn on Occlusion Culling which should greatly help performance.
They are limiting that to the paid version? I mean, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, seeing how they are run by the former CEO of EA, but still.
I think they have changed their business model recently, and this feature is no longer limited to the paid version.
it's no longer a pro version only feature as of Unity 5, yes.
Dictator93
Member
I prefer no filtering on textures.
EIther that or offer an option for those who have inferior tastes (trilinear bleh).
EIther that or offer an option for those who have inferior tastes (trilinear bleh).
I mean at the end of the day it's 2016. Anyone who can't be assed to force it via GPU control panel probably doesn't care that much if it's there anyways.
Here's the problem:
Sounds like they are changing the base game by default and would "possibly" add a stretch goal for "Classic Mode". That's ridiculous. It punishes the most loyal fans of the game behind a larger pay wall.
wesleyshark
Banned
Fuck yes Xbox One
Can you force bilinear filtering in textures using control panel? I don't think so.
Filtering ruins the game look. Result is blurry and wrong versus unfiltered textures.
Running away from Unity is always a good run. Moon Studios needed two game releases to fix Ori and the blind forest hitching. I can't think of another dev using Unity with a higher budget than Moon.
Well, it's not more niche than, I don't know, Wasteland or something and I kinda thought that there was more of a thirst for System Shock(-like games) among long time PC gamers -- but, yeah, the Kickstarter hype is definitely gone.
phant0m
Member
Not Night Dive's fault at all here, but gamers can only get burned so many times. Shame too because they put out the demo and reaction has been generally positive.
People still went nuts with Bloodstained/Yooka Laylee/Shenmue III despite how cases like Mighty No. 9 were looking disappointing (and since the game was effectively done around that period it was a time we could tell.)
I think it's just kind of the same issue Underworld faced in that a smaller group of people were interested in the first place despite the cult classic status they held, and it was an older, less active IP; 2D Castlevania stayed active to, uhh, 2009 I think it was, whereas System Shock 2 was 1999 and Bioshock drew a largely separate base in the end. Hell, it probably still went faster than Underworld, which was in a worse situation being a followup to one of the primordial first person RPGs. Hell, I half suspect that half of the people in for Kickstarters like those two are people who APPRECIATE the concept but can't bring themselves to really get into the originals as they got too archaic, especially Underworld (SS2's relatively OK there.)
EDIT: Though I have to admit coming RIGHT after MN9 came out might have put more people into a "see, Kickstarter's a waste of time!" mentality ignoring the games that did well and are shaping up well (Bloodstained's demo leaves me hungry for more and left many of us faithful it'll fill the Igavania niche.)
TheRedSnifit
Member
Here's the problem:
Sounds like they are changing the base game by default and would "possibly" add a stretch goal for "Classic Mode". That's ridiculous. It punishes the most loyal fans of the game behind a larger pay wall.
The only one of these not present in the original is the vending machines, which would hardly be an intrusive change.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
Member
The streams have crossed, but in a bad way.
Really can't put a good estimate on this KS's final numbers until we see if we've hit the floor level already, or its even lower. Unless something changes this will be a pretty front heavy Kickstarter, with likely 45% + of the funds coming in from the first 3 days.
Indeed, especially if one means the interpolation between the mip levels.
Anisotropic without trilinear does cause flickering, and nearest point/bilinear has really ugly line.
TheRedSnifit
Member
Update regarding the sound.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598858095/system-shock/posts/1621372
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598858095/system-shock/posts/1621372
comshoplesce
Member
maybe wrong time of year.....afterall it's vacation time....otherwise it's weird it's not yet backed. i would back, but only if it comes to PS4.
pledged 30$
didn't knew you can cancel any time hehe
pledged 30$
didn't knew you can cancel any time hehe
Update: New $100 Tier, + Physical Art Book
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598858095/system-shock/posts/1623513
Will up my pledge when I'm finished posting.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598858095/system-shock/posts/1623513
Will up my pledge when I'm finished posting.
Patrick S.
Banned
How the fuck did this not get funded day one
That depends. Some of those that fail to meet their goal have serious issues with development because they're underfunded.
I think that has smarter stretch goals too from what I see, so it'd probably be for the best to actually meet those.
Badlucktroll
Member
WTF the demo literally locks up on the start screen where it says to press the space bar. Anyone have this problem? Know any fixes?
Well I would of course hope that all kickstarter projects set the first goal so that they can finish the project comfortably.
I wouldn't be surprised if what happened with Mighty N.9 has made people a bit wary of kickstarter for a while.
I imagine that hasn't had THAT large of an effect for a game like this, but it probably didn't help.
It was a dumb cry from people though. It delivered a middling game, but it wasn't TOO outrageous relative to other (often delayed) disappointments, and by then we were seeing other Kickstarter games come out and be awesome, and for Bloodstained's own demo to be a counterpoint to show Inticreates CAN make a solid game with someone else at the helm.
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Deleted member 325805
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I thought the demo was rubbish so I wouldn't back on that alone, and since I never played the series I have no loyalty to it, I guess a lot of people feel the same way.
A little surprising, but I figured that most people like myself are much more fond of System Shock 2. Is that not the case?
I've played the original games, and that doesn't change my opinion of the demo at all. It thought it was crap lol.
And you wouldn't be happy about SS1 being brought to the standard of 2 (or beyond it, as subjective as that will be)?
Though given there's people who'd rather Super Metroid were remade rather than Metroid 2 getting the Zero Mission treatment it wouldn't surprise me.
This is actually doing pretty good in the current climate. Kickstarter has a bit of a stigma around it these days, and it isnt quite as exciting to back something as it once was, since we all live in a post KS release world and have gotten used to it. They should be fairly happy that they will probably be funded with 17-18 full days left to reach stretch goals, along with the usual last days push.
For people saying the demo was rubbish, i mean get real people, it was a prototype to get people on board and actually in that context was fairly impressive in what it did. Most KS games dont have playable things on day one, in fact almost all dont.
I backed it and i hope they can react accordingly to the lack/excess of funds their expectations afforded them. I really cant know, every KS is grateful for everything.
For people saying the demo was rubbish, i mean get real people, it was a prototype to get people on board and actually in that context was fairly impressive in what it did. Most KS games dont have playable things on day one, in fact almost all dont.
I backed it and i hope they can react accordingly to the lack/excess of funds their expectations afforded them. I really cant know, every KS is grateful for everything.
Yeah, the demo was a hint of a promising finished game. Criticism is fair game but mainly as a means to get them to know what we may want changed for the final release to be a better game, not as a reason to write it off.
And the trick with full screen launch via Steam parameters stopped the hitching issues I had, so as long as that can be a feature for the final release I'll probably be Ok (and hopefully have an upgraded desktop by then anyway.)
And the trick with full screen launch via Steam parameters stopped the hitching issues I had, so as long as that can be a feature for the final release I'll probably be Ok (and hopefully have an upgraded desktop by then anyway.)
