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The Division Downgrade?
- Thread starter The Sarcastic Dude
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Looking at the Gamersyde video, not nearly as big a downgrade as it might seem... But certainly not 2013 level. It's closer to E3 last year where we saw the first changes.
I could easily live with these visuals. There are some things which are still ugly across the board (dat flamethrower, dem nades, still seems like lowered destructibility idk), whatever. The game is also made a bit more interesting seeing vids from the other players in the demo.
I could easily live with these visuals. There are some things which are still ugly across the board (dat flamethrower, dem nades, still seems like lowered destructibility idk), whatever. The game is also made a bit more interesting seeing vids from the other players in the demo.
https://youtu.be/MK_1W9Q3y-I?t=1118
This video shows the commented Dark Zone demo from the point of view of another team.
The game looks really good and you can see there are parts of the streets with lots of detail and stuff lying around.
This video shows the commented Dark Zone demo from the point of view of another team.
The game looks really good and you can see there are parts of the streets with lots of detail and stuff lying around.
BadAss2961
Member
lol, wow. The game doesn't even look good anymore.
Ehhh... I don't see ghost recon doing anything visually that's more impressive than BF4, GTA V or Battlefront. If it gets downgraded, I suspect the differences will be minimal. (I hope)
Kssio_Aug
Member
Watch the Gamersyde gameplay, its worth it!
Yeah, I have to admit that the game actually feels very nice! It may be a very good option for those who are interested in different MP modes, other then the typical TPS/FPS deathmatches and derivated.
Is it just me or is the framerate terrible?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Framerate most likely won't be locked with all those effects and reflections.
Downgrades or bad graphics aren't even the problem with Ubisoft games, it's the terrible optimization and performance, on consoles and PC.
I like my shooters to run at 60 FPS. Enjoy playing it with the lowest possible settings if you want to achieve this. I think it's best to just ignore this game.
I like my shooters to run at 60 FPS. Enjoy playing it with the lowest possible settings if you want to achieve this. I think it's best to just ignore this game.
Yup.
Seeing Ghost Recon Wildlands I was like :O
And then I remembered it was Ubisoft and that you can't fucking trust what they show you until release.
*cough* Watchdogs *cough*
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Still doesnt change the fact that Ubisoft is master in downgrading.
Lmao, FUDmaster9000, you want to show us the downgrades to AC4, 5, or Far Cry 4?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Doesn't change that we don't know if this game was actually downgrade, the environment seems to be way more detailed outside dark zones. And we're seeing console footage for the first time instead of pc footage. If watch dogs could've looked like that it likely would've, since AC Unity looks much better. They even had to downgrade the geometry for last gen.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
we don't know till its out, pre-order now!
BotoxAgent
Member
Um, no. Not even close.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yea because I definitely implied that people should pre-order. Why people feel the need to bring up pre-orders as if we're forced to do so is beyond me.
XB1.
Killzone Shadow fall only improved after its reveal so.....
So for sure not a PC with a controller? Then it is fantastic to hear, it looks really crisp, like native resolution 1080p crisp. Good for them that they managed to get it there. Already preordered since last night, can't wait to team up with GAF.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Obviously I'm speaking as Ubisoft, but the attitude of "wait when it's convenient for us" before criticizing something that smells off is the exact strategy companies want consumers to take, and I don't really follow that rule.
Jest Chillin
Member
Here's a great one from 2014.
I think everyone just needs to learn how to not trust anything Ubisoft says or does.
That's a community manager, which is essentially PR that interacts with the community. So not only would he not know about the technical goals vs reality... He can only discuss information that's been cleared by his bosses. Which is exactly how it works for every major company.
thelastword
Banned
No, don't make it what it's not. I'm referring to when Ubisoft demo's their games or show it on first reveal. Show me those games being played on actual hardware at the fidelity that they show them. If the game is actually being played on a Quadruple SLI PC, show me that too so I'd know before hand that consoles will never replicate those visuals.
Btw, this was xbox footage shown in the gamersyde video and it's subhd with many features dialed back.
Compared to the detail, effects and textures in the original? you better believe it. The footage from which this gif was made I've watched the entire 10 minute demo from gamersyde. It doesn't change the fact that this was massively downgraded from the reveal, it's immediately noticeable.Just quoting one more time,
^ Subhd, and awful textures. Ok. Not to mention far cry and Unity.
As bad as Ubisoft games look on consoles with all their subhd, dialed back effects and textures, don't expect a solid framerate from them either. I imagine this will be sub-HD on PS4 as well (perhaps for parity); this is when you begin to wonder what's going on at Ubisoft. Compare The Division to other large level games or a massive warfare game like battlefront with top notch effects littering the screen at every turn, and it becomes a crying shame as to Ubisoft's output this gen.
Every developer is getting a handle except them and it's a bit disappointing, but as I said, I'm hyped for FOR HONOR. I hope they deliver on that front, that game looks like it's using an entirely different engine from Watch dogs, AC, Division etc.. and there was no mystery as to where it was played, no bullshot trailer, just the game demoed. As a matter of fact, a beta is supposed to hit the PS4 soon.
No hyperbole necessary, the division looks significantly dialed back from reveal; resolution, textures, effects. Does it look like an N64 game? No, does it look as good as the reveal? No. Now, I can understand dialing back some effects here and there, perhaps some effects to keep the framerate kosher, but when every element is downgraded, especially resolution; IQ and detail is going to take a big nosedive right away, and people will notice it doesn't look as good immediately. I'd love for Gamersyde to do a framecount on that demo too, it doesn't look like it held up when there was explosions onscreen. The IQ and detail is already butchered but still the framerate can't hold? That is the state of UBisoft that has me scratching my head in comparison to the output of other devs this gen.
nortonff
Hi, I'm nortonff. I spend my life going into threads to say that I don't care about the topic of the thread. It's a really good use of my time.
I don't know if this video has been posted yet. It compares videos from 2013, 2014 and 2015. It's crystal clear, even with the direct feed / livestream obvious quality difference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2jrVPcIarU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2jrVPcIarU
All the comparisons I've seen make the game look pretty much the same at the base level, they haven't shown us a new day/night cycle or anything for us to know for sure about effects.
The biggest difference I noticed is the 2013 version streets looked far more packed with stuff which seemed to really add to the environment, that does seems lesser and lesser over the years, but that could just be differences in location for all I know.
If there is a provable downgrade, it's certainly nothing near the level of Watchdogs.
The biggest difference I noticed is the 2013 version streets looked far more packed with stuff which seemed to really add to the environment, that does seems lesser and lesser over the years, but that could just be differences in location for all I know.
If there is a provable downgrade, it's certainly nothing near the level of Watchdogs.
Always-honest
Banned
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Concerning effects, the demo at this e3 had more intensive snow effects than any other showcase of the game, and cloth physics enabled, which the other two builds lacked. Againn, you're comparing console footage to high end pc footage and using that as an indication of a downgrade. And then you're using completely different parts of the map to say "there's less detail than in this other part of the map." Also, FC4, AC4, The Crew, hell Unity outside of compressed ps4 capture screenshots look great on console. They really need to fix that btw, because this is what the game actually looks like on console.
"Dialed back effects." You keep pushing that transparent "parity" conspiracy theory btw. Also, massive warfare game? Battlefront, as beautiful as it is, takes place on maps, it's not a huge seamless open world like The Division. And they've gotten a great handle on the next gen consoles so far, looking forward to Syndicate which already has a better average framerate and resolution than Unity.
Wow, pretty solid.
Exploratory
Banned
Just quoting one more time,
^ Subhd, and awful textures. Ok. Not to mention far cry and Unity.
Stop trying to make Subhd happen gawd. It's not going to happen.
Concerning effects, the demo at this e3 had more intensive snow effects than any other showcase of the game, and cloth physics enabled, which the other two builds lacked. Againn, you're comparing console footage to high end pc footage and using that as an indication of a downgrade. And then you're using completely different parts of the map to say "there's less detail than in this other part of the map." Also, FC4, AC4, The Crew, hell Unity outside of compressed ps4 capture screenshots look great on console. They really need to fix that btw, because this is what the game actually looks like on console.
"Dialed back effects." You keep pushing that transparent "parity" conspiracy theory btw. Also, massive warfare game? Battlefront, as beautiful as it is, takes place on maps, it's not a huge seamless open world like The Division. And they've gotten a great handle on the next gen consoles so far, looking forward to Syndicate which already has a better average framerate and resolution than Unity.
You can google this for yourself.
But keep believing in Ubisoft
The above post is the sound of you getting btfo.
Chuck Norris
Banned
I think it's only a matter of time. Battlefront has this quality of lighting, UC4 is packing this level of detail. I can see a later gen title like TLOU2 getting to this levelYep. There was no way they could've packed that much detail in for consoles. Not to mention, for an open world online game.
This is from 2013:
In this video I would like to point out that the developers have said that both 2013 and 2014 ran on PC, while 2015 ran on Xbone.
NullPointer
Member
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
This is actually really odd in retrospect because of the whole microsoft deal, would assume that that usually means xb1 controller or "aiming for xb1 spec" footage.Ran on PC but they were on-stage with PS4 controllers to muddy those waters.
adampa1006
Banned
Don't think this has been posted, but what they were showing as "console" footage that was clearly PC, thats slimy. And I thought they changed their policy on pre-release footage after Watchdogs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv5OXQayi2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv5OXQayi2o