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The dudes from Simplepickup motorboat girls for breast cancer awareness.
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Chie Satonaka
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Wait, what?
There are people who DON'T share porn with their friends?
There are people who DON'T share porn with their friends?
cyclonekruse
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Depends, I suppose. Which part do you find gross? And further, do you think it's gross just for you personally (i.e. you wouldn't do it) or do you think it's gross for anyone to do it? If you find the motorboating part to be gross and don't think anyone should do that (even consenting adults), then yes you've entered into a bit of prudishness.
But I actually assume you don't care about the motorboating itself. That is, I'm guessing that in other contexts you're just fine with guys motorboating girls' tits. It's just using the bait of donating to breast cancer in order to achieve that goal that you find displeasurable. Correct?
Sorry, meant stuff made and sent by people you personally know.
User 100115
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Yes.
In fact, I think incentivized donation for anything is a bit gross. I've used the yoplait example many times in this thread, but it's a way for a company to 'write off' a donation, get good PR, and likely profit in end. They earmark an amount for donation, pass the cost of the donation onto the consumer. The consumer, thinking they are doing a good thing, buys a shit ton more yogurt than they would have otherwise, or only buys yogurt from yoplait. Sends the lids in, etc. At the same time, people are still going to be buying yoplait, and not sending lids in. So in the end, the company isn't spending anything, they are recouping their costs because people buy more yogurt, and likely profit because not everyone is going to send in lids, while others are going to buy more from them.
cyclonekruse
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It can actually be great fun. When I was in high school, one of my friend's parents were out of town so he threw a party. At some point, someone ended up finding a sex tape that his parents had made and played it for all present. Good times.
My friend didn't throw any more parties after that.
perfectchaos007
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I guess I'm a glass half full guy. Sure, its an incentivized donation and I get that. But most of their videos are incintivized....without a donation. Which one is better?
I doubt there are many companies that silently donate to charity. Back in the day when the Jerry Lewis telethon was nationally broadcast, you would see marketing execs of major corporations presenting Jerry Lewis with a huge novelty check. There's also incentive with that donation because they are publicly showcasing their generosity and good will of the company, and they want the public to see how generous of a company they are for kudos points among customers and potential customers. Obviously, their ad dollars could have been spent more effectively in other areas, but this was a way to donate and get public exposure in a positive spotlight. Jerry Lewis didn't reject that money for Muscular Dystophy though, he accepted it with open arms. If you think there is no parallel between these two cases, the only variable here is sexuality.
cyclonekruse
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I understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't see the big issue with it. Are you saying we shouldn't laud the maker of Yoplait as a great and altruistic company? Okay. I can get on board with that. They're a business and they're trying to make money and that's their primary goal. If, in an attempt to achieve that goal, they donate money to a worthy cause, that's still a good thing even if they're ultimately benefiting from it too. Like I've said a couple of times now, I can grant that it's not the purest of motives. But that doesn't make it "bad" to me either.
Oh god that must have been brutal for your friend :lol
It's tons of fun. We get to sit and comment about how hot the guys are.
perfectchaos007
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they recently re-uploaded it with a disclaimer thrown in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrSc2sUDU0I
cyclonekruse
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Yeah, he was quite horrified at the time. But he sees the humor in it now and it doesn't bother him. It actually makes for a great story when he's at parties.
Plus he was less afraid to talk to his parents about sex after that because he knew they wouldn't be upset by it. Compared to my parents whose sex talk to me consisted of three words: "Keep it zipped."
Bam Bam Baklava
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Man this page is really opening my eyes. Sharing porn with friends, watching porn with them, making porn, seeing your parents sex videos.
This is so crazy to me.
This is so crazy to me.
Well that's good. A story that my friends and I share and laugh at is one where we decided to see what anime porn was like. First video we click and it's a girl and guy having sex with the girl saying "I have to pee!"
Next three video's where ones with blood and torture. Needless to say our viewing stopped being funny by that point.
cyclonekruse
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Yeah, anime porn can be....out there.
Have you ever watched bad porn with friends? Not disgusting, just terrible acting. It's just as fun as watching bad movies and making fun of them.
In college, I went over to the apartment of that same friend from high school. Without getting into the details of how, he had managed to be able to tap into any pay-per-view program that anyone in the building with the same cable provider had ordered. So if they paid for a movie, he could watch it on his TV too, but for free. (Of course, if they ended the program or put it on pause, that's what happened on his TV too.)
Anyway, someone had ordered a porno. So the two of us and another friend started watching it too. It was terribad. Her moans were completely unconvincing and neither of them looked to be really into it. Well, at some point, they switched to doggystyle and the camera angle obscured most of the genitals. But then it panned a little and you could clearly tell the guy wasn't even fucking her. He was completely flaccid and just going through the motions while she was fake moaning. As if that wasn't amusing enough, whoever had ordered to program must have noticed it too because the image paused, rewound, and then played back the part where you could see the guy's limp dick. Then the program got turned off abruptly. My friends and I laughed so hard.
This is pretty stupid, but one thing bothers me.
How do they know it was a minority that protested against it? It doesn't say anything about whether it was a minority or not that was against the donation.
Probably basing that judgment on likes.
There was a pretty huge like-dislike ratio, and if one assumes based off of that, it seems like only a minority would protest against it.
Pretty stupid to base your judgment on that.
Sounds more like they are trying to protect their reputation as a breast cancer research foundation because they know the people they serve are going to be offended.
So likes aren't representative of the opinion on a video? How? Want more proof? The story reached reddit's top page and the vast majority of the comments were criticizing BCRF and the crazies who forced it to return the donation. Now THAT'S bad publicity.
Are Reddit users their target demographic?
Reddit is the largest community on the internet so I assume yes. Also you're moving the goalposts, the point is that the people who sabotaged this are a small minority who are quite disliked judging from reddit.
POWERSPHERE
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Dude said haters and also said offensive in air quotes. I now hate him. He also just got more ad revenue with the follow up video. They should just donate the money through a different persons name and feel good about it rather than build their own "brand" and pull more ad revenue with the fallout.
There aren't really goalposts to move, I'm just curious if Reddit is even on BCRF's radar.
As much as we like to think our voices are the majority, the Internet is a bit of an echo chamber, especially on large communities. If we use your data gathering techniques, for example, we'd find that atheism is by and large the most popular system of beliefs (or nonbelief) around the world. We know for a fact that it isn't, though.
The assholes that did this to these dudes are definitely more rare in real life than the internet, activists always tend to be. And you're moving the goalposts again, we were obviously talking about the internet since it's a youtube video. If BCRF didn't care about the internet they wouldn't have done anything in the first place.
samus i am
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Anyone have a mirror of the video? They took it down.
We're talking about their brand online and offline. By and large the highest givers to charitable foundations are senior citizens (by which I mean a number in Canada as high as 75%). Not only that, but the numbers are pushed even higher when those senior citizens are active in the religious community. The chances of them coming across a Reddit thread dedicated to slamming the BCRF is slim -- it's just one community despite its size.
On the other hand, the chance of a news outlet picking up the story of the original controversy is greater, and the proliferation over different newswires has the greater potential to reach their biggest donors.
And for that matter, their biggest donors aren't really the demographic that would be interested in motorboating.
Pretty stupid to base your judgment on that.
Sounds more like they are trying to protect their reputation as a breast cancer research foundation because they know the people they serve are going to be offended.
That sounds like it has nothing to do with a vocal minority. I wouldn't accept this money either to be honest. It's a great cause but I wouldn't wanna be associated with a motor boating video as a serious foundation that's helping with breast cancer research.
I wasn't offended in the least by the original video, and thought it was funny, but he/they come off as cunts on a really high horse in their video about the "haters". It looks like to me that the breast cancer organizations themselves had a problem with it more so than some imaginary legion of haters. I'm sure they are elated to have an excuse to make shitty youtubes of themselves, though.
You're making assumptions that fit your narrative. So far nothing has been picked up by mainstream media and probably never will because before the controversy the video was a non-story, you have no proof that senior citizens are the main contributors, and the only result has been bad press from all over the internet.
CrudeDiatribe
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Just as a follow up to some of the comments about the charity not wanting this money:
A charity I work with that does development work in Africa has a very clear, unpublished policy about who we will accept money from: for instance, we won't accept money from any entity openly associated with mineral exploitation. Someone once started selling a product branded with our charity without our consent, saying (and we believed him) that proceeds would be donated; we asked him to stop.
These decisions are based on both brand value and ethical values or either alone. Some of these policies are more set in stone than others, and the board of directors would have to decide what our price would be to whore ourselves out for a particular donation, if at all.
Which assholes? Have you read anything to suggest that people protested this to the BCRF?
A charity I work with that does development work in Africa has a very clear, unpublished policy about who we will accept money from: for instance, we won't accept money from any entity openly associated with mineral exploitation. Someone once started selling a product branded with our charity without our consent, saying (and we believed him) that proceeds would be donated; we asked him to stop.
These decisions are based on both brand value and ethical values or either alone. Some of these policies are more set in stone than others, and the board of directors would have to decide what our price would be to whore ourselves out for a particular donation, if at all.
Which assholes? Have you read anything to suggest that people protested this to the BCRF?
These are assumptions made based on data, assumptions that people in PR have to make all the time. Senior citizens being the largest contributors to any charity is well known and well documented. The numbers differ from place to place, but in the UK at the very least, the generation gap is only growing.
"So far nothing has been picked up by mainstream media and probably never will" is the reason PR exists. The point is to prevent these things before they happen, otherwise there is literally no justification for hiring a firm in the first place.
I understand that bad press on Reddit is high on your awareness scale, but you have to think about this from the Foundation's point of view -- Reddit simply does not impact their performance as a charity. If they were, say, Taco Bell or Playstation, I'm sure they would be much more inclined to think of Reddit as defining their brand.
In their original email to SimplyPickup, the BCRF mentioned the interests and sensitivities of the community they serve as the reason for declining the money. You can say that they "folded due to pressure" or "caved" or whatever other spurious claims are going around on Reddit and YouTube, but that is the information given to the public and that's what makes the most sense.
Looks like those assumptions supposedly based on data were dead wrong because BCRF has been left with a ton of negative publicity. You can downplay the internet all you want but we don't live in 2005 anymore, internet increasingly shapes public opinion nowadays.
I guess we'll just have to see if the concept of demographics is bullshit or not next year when the BCRF releases their annual report and we can find out exactly whether or not this impacted the $40,000,000 they took in last year.
Man, people on the Internet really will argue against just about anything.
This is coming from someone who was okay with the video being online but isn't going to detach himself from reality to make a ridiculous argument like you're doing:
BCRF would have definitely suffered backlash for accepting the support of these Youtube guys and it would have cost them a lot more than a few thousand bucks. A few offended wealthy donors would have lost them much more than $7000. A major non-profit like BCRF, which has raised hundreds of millions, counts many of its individual donors in the five-, six- and seven-figure range (and higher). An entire group/institution threatening to pull support and we're talking tens of millions at stake. It's really not worth it. See 2012-2013 donation figures below.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/bcrf-static/pdf/Major Donor 2013 with logo.pdf
So yeah, loss of major support and mainstream criticism was in the realm of possibility if this escalated further. On the flip side, I highly doubt there were millionaire donors on the fence who will no longer give support because BCRF doesn't want to associate with the SimplePickup video. At most, we're talking about a disproportionately loud/vocal group on the Internet with not very much wealth or influence. Let's cut the crap and stop pretending BCRF is somehow losing out bigtime by distancing itself from this.
edit: WTF was up with Evilore flinging around childish insults a couple of pages back?
It's almost as if he doesn't respect outrage-mongering puritanical white knights intent on labeling consensual behavior between adults as regressive sexual objectification that demands limp-wristed internet outrage.
Vermillion
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On one hand, internet feminism can go in some very dark places that make the movement difficult to explain in real life (Jezebel). On the other... There are some good points in each discussion. Shan and Devo's points were notable earlier, for arguing the tastefulness or lack thereof. My personal disconnect is... Well let's put it this way - I might have accepted money from Walter White if I had cancer. The deed is done.
HovaHovito
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Some guy here who said his mother had cancer said he would take the money
If a loved one i knew had cancer i'd take the money. Its not like what they did was illegal
PseudoKirby
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Pretty stupid to base your judgment on that.
Sounds more like they are trying to protect their reputation as a breast cancer research foundation because they know the people they serve are going to be offended.
So then ultimately these dudes did it for profit.
way to go charity!
HovaHovito
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PseudoKirby
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Question:
would this had been ok if it were reversed?
Woman collects $20 from people to motorboat herself to go toward Breast Cancer
would this had been ok if it were reversed?
Woman collects $20 from people to motorboat herself to go toward Breast Cancer
perfectchaos007
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If the guys/girls consented to motorboating her breasts, then yes of course. Or are you suggestin the woman moterboats herself? That would be extra difficult for small chested women. Please clarify what you mean.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I'd say this is the answer you're looking for?
I tend to side with EviLore on this particular matter, and perhaps more generally. I can't count how many articles from, say, Jezebel have left me rolling my eyes when they end up in my FB news feed.
A better analogy:
"If I give you $20, can I motorboat your tits? You can give it to charity after if you want."
PseudoKirby
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No, woman goes around asking for $20 to go to charity for other people motorboating her.
No, but sometimes they panhandle for breast augmentation.
The world's a big place, I don't like to rule out anything that seems a little strange as an absolute truth.
I don't think I fit into any of those categories, no, so I'm still confused as to why he decided to single me out as a bubble-person and whatever that actually means.
*boom*
Rentahamster
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In what way?
I wouldn't personally have any issue with it but its easy to understand why a charity thats trying to be taken seriously won't accept it.
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