Kobun Heat
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I am offended at this thread's quite frankly unethical conflation of puff pastry and cream puffs
I'm more curious about the editor who read this steaming mess of an article and thought 'our readers are served by this article' or even 'this is the sort of content our website should be proud of and will help us gain and retain readers'. What sort of threshold does this article pass that makes it publishable?
It's baffling.
i couldn't believe it till i read it:
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/1/8687867/rock-band-4-preview
choice quotes:
Maybe you should write an article about that.I am offended at this thread's quite frankly unethical conflation of puff pastry and cream puffs
I'm more curious about the editor who read this steaming mess of an article and thought 'our readers are served by this article' or even 'this is the sort of content our website should be proud of and will help us gain and retain readers'. What sort of threshold does this article pass that makes it publishable?
It's baffling.
Do polygon still make things like this
http://www.polygon.com/features/2014/2/10/5373586/mr-byte-indie-king-of-peru
?
Do polygon still make things like this
http://www.polygon.com/features/2014/2/10/5373586/mr-byte-indie-king-of-peru
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I like personal perspectives, but I feel they should be relevant to the main point of the story. If the point of the article is to cover a given game, I certainly appreciate a personal touch in what that game means to the person covering it. But if the vibe is basically "I wish I wasn't covering this game", then maybe I feel such a preview shouldn't exist to begin with.
I am offended at this thread's quite frankly unethical conflation of puff pastry and cream puffs
Experiment: let's change the game in question to, I dunno... Hatred. If there was a press event and Campbell went there, would everyone be as mad if he wrote this kind of article?
I'm not sure if this is completely within the confines of this thread but I think this is insanely weird:
Polygon seems to be doing all of their E3 videos over Skype. Which is...weird. The animated bumpers seem to be exactly the same as the ones last year as well.
For how massive their E3 coverage was last year in comparison, the fact they don't even seem to have a camera guy at this E3 is pretty disappointing and somewhat concerning? Are they not doing well?
Eh, I am actually in favour of Media people just embracing the internet and absorb all their information through the lenses of the camera, as long as they have some people at E3 doing impressions and interviews. Giantbomb actually touched on that subject very deeply and, I remember Alex saying that, sometimes you actually learn more about certain games from far, rather than being there.
I am more offended of their coverage actually. Their impressions seems very PR like without any injections of opinions and impressions, the interview asked just boring questions that stemmed from a certain checklists and there is no enthusiasm nor humour.
Yeah, there has been quite a few lay-offs there - even recently - so things obviously ain't going great. It's not unusual for an outlet to keep a few editors back to do write ups/post content, but it looks like they've only sent a skeleton crew this year.
It's why the big, splashy, over-funded launch is never a good idea (this doesn't just apply to Polygon) - it sets an expectation which you either keep up or look like a failure. Slow, sustainable growth is a much better way to go.
Yeah, definitely. I think Giant Bomb streaming themselves watching the press conferences makes a ton of sense over actually going to them. It just seems weird that all their video stuff for E3 seems to be based out of New York, instead of E3 proper. Polygon seems to be in a weird place!
Ouch. Yeah if they don't have a budget for E3--which are the biggest traffic days IIRC for gaming websites--they are dead/dying.For how massive their E3 coverage was last year in comparison, the fact they don't even seem to have a camera guy at this E3 is pretty disappointing and somewhat concerning? Are they not doing well?
Polygon, at this point, needs a massive overhaul. (All of Vox, really, but that's because their business model is failing.)
Right now, there's a ton of musing on Twitter about it, a lot of blame being bandied about (not by ToT itself, in fairness) and a lot of discussion on what indies ought to be.
A lot of it reeks of gatekeeping and aloofness, to be honest. Anyway, here's what I said on The Faced Books. It's nothing particularly long or provocative, but whatever. Felt like saying it here too...
I'm always surprised by the amount of zero-sum gaming that goes on with stories like this, and the suggestion that certain games ought to have a guaranteed right to coverage, support, sales etc. just by virtue of being the sort of games the arguer likes most.
Sometimes games just fail to capture enough interest from the audience, even with plenty of support and critical acclaim. Tale of Tales tried hard with PR, targeted ads, and all that shit, and Sunset failed. ToT says it was "wrong" to have pursued those attempts at garnering support. I'd disagree there - they weren't "wrong" to do any of that, they were just unfortunate. The public wasn't picking up what it had put down.
*stuff*
I genuinely believe that there are more amazing, wonderful games releasing now than in the history of the medium. This is great for the medium, this is great for gamers, but in a sense it is very bad for artists like yourselves; because even making a great game, and getting exposure, does not guarantee sales when people are stuffed from feast after feast; people are still figuring out why games explode, but we know that word of mouth, communities like Reddit, and Youtube are increasingly the drivers; its not clear that the traditional press, or glowing reviews, has much of an effect on sales at all (it didnt for Double Fine).
Jim is a smart guy.So I've been saying a lot of twitter support for Tales of Tales, a company I never heard of. First time I heard of them was the neogaf thread.
I then saw some tweets of support for the devs by people who work for video games sites, and game devs and then saw Jim Sterling posting this on twitter.
Sorry for quoting so much of his message on twitlonger, but I felt I needed to post all of the quotes in order to help get Jim Sterling's point across.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1smpivi
My own personal opinion is that Tale of Tales made the game they want and the market didn't respond to it. That there are people trying to push a narrative of journalistic gate keeping is odd and I wonder if its just people in the games media responding to the situation or if they truly feel that a company deserves a certain amount of good press.
lol indeed, was wondering who the hell gave this game a GotY...In a weird way I gotta respect the fact that Lords of the Fallen Goty edition only comes out in the country were it won any goty awards.
My thought is: Why link some weird archive version of Twitter?
Basically, it's Arthur Gies saying that because he is enthusiast press, his coverage can be defined by personal moralistic standards.
Thoughts?
Kinda bumping this from the grave; but saw something and was curious as to Jason's take on it (since from my understanding, Totilo comes from a journalism angle)
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/174621746039754752
Basically, it's Arthur Gies saying that because he is enthusiast press, his coverage can be defined by personal moralistic standards.
Thoughts?
EDIT: Found tweet itself rather than archive link - replaced link.
I have zero context for this and don't really know what it's referring to, so I don't have much of a take here. (I'm also not super interested in giving commentary on people's tweets!)Kinda bumping this from the grave; but saw something and was curious as to Jason's take on it (since from my understanding, Totilo comes from a journalism angle)
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/174621746039754752
Basically, it's Arthur Gies saying that because he is enthusiast press, his coverage can be defined by personal moralistic standards.
Thoughts?
EDIT: Found tweet itself rather than archive link - replaced link.
I have zero context for this and don't really know what it's referring to, so I don't have much of a take here. (I'm also not super interested in giving commentary on people's tweets!)
I have zero context for this and don't really know what it's referring to, so I don't have much of a take here. (I'm also not super interested in giving commentary on people's tweets!)
If sexual harassment is integral to your community, then i'm not interested in providing it coverage.
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THM ‏@jammeto 28 Feb 2012
@aegies For a member of the press(more or less) that seems weird, is all your coverage defined by personal moralistic standards?
@jammeto as enthusiast press, i have that luxury.
@aegies I get that, also understand you're not a news ed. Just enjoyed Klepeks story and would hate to think that Vox wouldnt print similar.
Enthusiast press has more grey areas than traditional journalism for sure. I don't believe Gies was saying that any ambiguity is up to the author's personal morals in every situation. It's hard to tell with something like twitter because ideas are hard to encapsulate in 140 characters or less.
What are your feelings on the matter?
I'm not one to defend Gies or Polygon, but it's really hard to say anything one way or another about that quote without any context. What luxury is he referring to in the tweet, and what do you mean by "personal moralistic standards"?
Polygon (and by extension Gies) is enthusiast press, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be held to proper reporting standards. So long as they are in a position of notability, and have the potential to mislead people with inaccurate reporting, the should be expected to do due diligence in fact checking and impartiality standards, and should absolutely be called on it when they fail.
But that doesn't mean they need to act like emotionless robots factually reporting on news with no personal input. Especially in an industry where actual news is so tightly guarded, commentary and individualist perspectives are all that really set a press release apart from an article published about a piece of news (which is why I'm constantly dismayed that a number of games writers will sometimes simply run a press release through a thesaurus and treat that as content, but I digress). At the end of the day, if a writer's personal views are of interest to their audience, I don't see why they should hold back from sharing them.
There is certainly a balance to be struck between personal perspective and accurate reporting, so as not to mislead an audience or become the story. But I don't see why it needs to be treated as black and white.
Again, I don't think Gies or Polygon are some bastion of integrety. But without understanding what your particular issue is with that tweet, it's hard to understand why it's a big deal.
Also, that tweet is 3 years old. If we're digging up old tweets to show that Gies is bad at his job, there is a lot better material, and more recently as well.
What's the thought on writing for bigger sites versus personal blogs and smaller sites?
A CD Projekt RED employee has contacted us about a really interesting story. Now before continuing, take everything youre about to read with a grain of salt. CD Projekt REDs employee provided us with his payslip in order to prove his identity, so this is most probably the real deal. For obvious reasons we cant share the full payslip as we want to protect this employee.
Im employee of CDProjekt Red and I have some bad news to share with you. Our management is probably talking with Electronic Arts about potential take over. Electronic Arts representatives are currently visiting our studio and meeting with top management. We are not going to release any game soon, so for sure its not about any publishing deal, so the only possible reason for EA guys being here is that they want to buy us.
Whether EA is meeting with CD Projekt RED for a potential publishing deal regarding this title remains a mystery. Its also unclear whether EA plans to buy CD Projekt RED.
Moreover, these meeting could very well be for a potential/future digital distribution deal between Origin and GOG.
What is crystal clear, however, is that EA is in talks with CDPR.
As said, take everything youve just read with a grain of salt!
File under 'Bad':
Rumor CD Projekt RED To Sign A Publishing Deal Or Be Bought By Electronic Arts
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/rumor...lishing-deal-or-be-bought-by-electronic-arts/
In their defense they do say twice to take it with a grain of salt.
* I'm also not trusting their verification process.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...egarding-selling-cd-projekt-red-or-gog-periodCDPR Co-founder Marcin Iwinski said:...The payslip is a fake - it was not issued by our company.
The New York Videogame Critics Circle is proud to present its first Games Journalism Award, to be conferred upon one journalist or critic for distinguished contributions to the field during the voting year. The winner will be announced on the evening of February 9th, 2016 as part of the 5th Annual New York Game Awards which will be held at Villain in Brooklyn, NY.
The Games Journalism Award is intended to serve as an affirmation of the value of games journalism, and as a denouement for the hard work and creativity demonstrated by the journalistic and critical community throughout the year.
The selected journalist will have best demonstrated traditional journalistic values, including–but not limited to–work that illuminates, contextualizes, entertains, exhibits lucid writing, sound reasoning, wit, integrity, et alia.
I expect that will eventually turn into as much as a laughing stock as the Games Media Awards are over here.