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[Hayvic]

I've been noticing that lately I need to have at least 3 movies streaming at the same time tp get off. Preferably all of them mff threesomes resulting in a cacophony of six females moaning, screaming an panting. So there certainly is some desensitisation.

 

[Dice]

Truth-apologist, eh?

As the video stated, /r/NoFap is the control group at this point. Go over there and read the personal experiences of everybody who has gone off porn for an extended period of time.

These are not blanket assertions and are not just based on my personal experience, don't be so goddamn daft.

Tell me how you are closer to the truth here?

At this point, for people who are undergoing this experiment, the data points towards a certain outcome. The studies will come in time, for now we are doing this ourselves and reporting our own data.

I didn't say your experience was not truth, only that it comprised a part of the larger truth. Similarly, that group at reddit is a bunch of guys who realized they had a problem and made a decision to drop it. A mild or moderate user would have little reason to emphasize or join the group experiment.

Everything in the video and that you are saying is in reference to those who fit the model of addiction. Assuming that such is true of everyone or that it is porn altogether and not a specific type and use of it is what I mean by making blanket assertions. Even the guy in the video remarked how internet porn (however he is defining it, seems to be video aggregate sites) has different results from something like Playboy.

The reason is because of the very patterns he describes and the nature of the porn itself. Quick access to wide variety and novelty and persistence through it is what seems to lead to these things. This speaks nothing to those who only occasionally use it, don't enjoy anything too wild, only watch one video in a session, prefer softcore like gravure idols or something, etc.

It's a big world out there. There is a large spectrum of people and a large spectrum of pron and a large spectrum of how people use it. Don't be so small-minded on such a wide ranging topic about human nature and practice.

 

[Darklord]

I actually like the more realistic porn now or the more sensual stuff rather than extremely kinky things. I got sick of just "lets fuck" porn. It's boring.

 

[windz]

if you can't masturbate to imagination, using a soft grip and finish in under 10 minutes you probably have a problem.

Got my stopwatch lets do this

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

I wouldn't recommend going more than 14 days without sex or masturbation. I once went 2.5 months without either, and while my mind and body felt great, my penis was not appreciative when I broke the dry spell.

A little bleeding won't kill you.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

I didn't say your experience was not truth, only that it comprised a part of the larger truth. Similarly, that group at reddit is a bunch of guys who realized they had a problem and made a decision to drop it. A mild or moderate user would have little reason to emphasize or join the group experiment.

Once you read a lot of the purported benefits of these people who have completely cut out masturbation, you may decide for yourself that you would benefit from completely cutting out pornography and masturbation from your life, even if you are a mild or moderate user.

Everything in the video and that you are saying is in reference to those who fit the model of addiction. Assuming that such is true of everyone or that it is porn altogether and not a specific type and use of it is what I mean by making blanket assertions. Even the guy in the video remarked how internet porn (however he is defining it, seems to be video aggregate sites) has different results from something like Playboy.

Yes, if you want clarification this is more specifically referring to people who regularly use internet porn. It has become the standard that most younger males masturbate to porn at least once daily. These people fit the model of addiction.

The reason is because of the very patterns he describes and the nature of the porn itself. Quick access to wide variety and novelty and persistence through it is what seems to lead to these things. This speaks nothing to those who only occasionally use it, don't enjoy anything too wild, only watch one video in a session, prefer softcore like gravure idols or something, etc.

Agree with you on these points for the most part.

It's a big world out there. There is a large spectrum of people and a large spectrum of pron and a large spectrum of how people use it. Don't be so small-minded on such a wide ranging topic about human nature and practice.

This is true, I'm basing my assertions on regular pornography use. I do not doubt however, anybody who masturbates would benefit from cutting back to greater and lesser degrees.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

This is true, I'm basing my assertions on regular pornography use. I do not doubt however, anybody who masturbates would benefit from cutting back to greater and lesser degrees.

Benefit how?

 

[phosphor112]

Recently married. Feels good man.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

Benefit how?

For people who quit for the recommended period of 90 days the results are pretty much unanimous. People are reporting increased confidence, elevated mood, increased drive, reduction or elimination of social anxiety and depression, and increased desire for real connection to women. A vast majority of these people report the decision to stop masturbating to porn as "life changing". Many decide they will never use it again.

It largely depends on how much you use pornography and masturbate. If you are a frequent user, you could expect the benefits to be potentially quite dramatic. If you rarely use pornography, you still may find quite a few benefits. It is up to each individual whether they are willing to test it out for themselves.

 

[Dice]

Once you read a lot of the purported benefits of these people who have completely cut out masturbation, you may decide for yourself that you would benefit from completely cutting out pornography and masturbation from your life, even if you are a mild or moderate user.

I have before, no changes. Am I then compelled to go on reddit and yell at everyone "YOU'RE WRONG! THIS IS BULLSHIT"? No, and I could easily imagine that being the case for many other people. That group simply does not equate to properly extensive research in any way.

Yes, if you want clarification this is more specifically referring to people who regularly use internet porn. It has become the standard that most younger males masturbate to porn at least once daily. These people fit the model of addiction.

Well then it's pretty silly to be saying "Internet porn addiction is an addiction!"

Is it important to realize that it can be, and even easily so for many? Of course. It is good to understand the way that it becomes so, and the symptoms? Yes. I just don't like the generalizations and alarmist tone. That gets us nowhere in understanding our nature, which is the key point in understanding how to be responsible and free. Coming from a religious background I can tell you with certainty that "Just drop it. Block it from your life because it is bad." is a terrible sentiment to spread through society.

Yes, education is always "the hard way" to deal with things, but it is also always the best way. I believe the more we follow the path of reason in all different aspects of life, the more we will see the benefits from it, and the more society will lean toward it so that it doesn't seem like a burden or distraction from our lives, but rather an essential means to living them.

I especially find the no-masturbation thing ridiculous. It's in human nature to masturbate and the practice itself has no relation to the problems with internet addiction, which are a matter of perception and brain function. Of course you can do it too much, but completely stopping is just moving from one extreme to another.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

For people who quit for the recommended period of 90 days the results are pretty much unanimous. People are reporting increased confidence, elevated mood, increased drive, reduction or elimination of social anxiety and depression, and increased desire for real connection to women. A vast majority of these people report the decision to stop masturbating to porn as "life changing". Many decide they will never use it again.

Let me rephrase.

What are the benefits if you're not an awkward teenager?

 

[Joe]

again - www.yourbrainonporn.com

go get lost in information. read the articles, watch the videos, and read the real user 90 day logs.

also - www.reddit.com/r/nofap

go there and sort by top of all-time.

this shit is real and if you think you have a problem, you probably do.

 

[Atramental]

Let me rephrase.

What are the benefits if you're not an awkward teenager?

Sick Burn.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Let me rephrase.

What are the benefits if you're not an awkward teenager?

10/10

 

[Dice]

again - www.yourbrainonporn.com

go get lost in information. read the articles, watch the videos, and read the real user 90 day logs.

If only you would get lost in infodumps on the scientific method and how to discern the extent to which something is credible.

 

[triplestation]

Man I really need to stop.

 

[Joe]

If only you would get lost in infodumps on the scientific method and how to discern the extent to which something is credible.

Cool story bro. I've done it, well half of what is suggested, and I greatly feel the benefits.

If you have no problems well then you have no problems. A lot of people do though and a lot of the problems can be fixed with a 90 day reset and then extreme moderation.

 

[Devolution]

Well, yeah, but I'm not suggesting the contrary.

I mean, it seems to me that women who enjoy porn are more fun than women who don't. And I don't just mean in bed, but in general.

The vid only focuses on negative effects on males; I'd like to hear about the effects on women.

Depending on my mood porn can be quite educational, especially when it comes to blowjobs, not so mainstream positions and a bit of bondage. I honestly don't consume that much porn though since I have a specific niche.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

Let me rephrase.

What are the benefits if you're not an awkward teenager?

Are you looking for fucking e-cred? Badass motherfucker.

 

[Atramental]

Are you looking for fucking e-cred? Badass motherfucker.

You seem... tense.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Depending on my mood porn can be quite educational, especially when it comes to blowjobs, not so mainstream positions and a bit of bondage. I honestly don't consume that much porn though since I have a specific niche.

 

[Piano]

For people who quit for the recommended period of 90 days the results are pretty much unanimous. People are reporting increased confidence, elevated mood, increased drive, reduction or elimination of social anxiety and depression, and increased desire for real connection to women. A vast majority of these people report the decision to stop masturbating to porn as "life changing". Many decide they will never use it again.

Oh come on.
I could vaguely see where you were coming from until that line. Quit talking out of your ass.

Spoiler

Quit talking out of your dick

 

[Count Dookkake]

Depending on my mood porn can be quite educational, especially when it comes to blowjobs, not so mainstream positions and a bit of bondage. I honestly don't consume that much porn though since I have a specific niche.

Hmm, I wonder what it could be... Hmmmmmmm.

 

[Joe]

Oh come on.
I could vaguely see where you were coming from until that line. Quit talking out of your ass.

Spoiler

Quit talking out of your dick

Read the logs and forums. Results are generally the same across the board.

Reduction in social anxiety could be placebo but a placebo that works is just as good. Also it is obvious how this could help in the desire to and the ability to talk to and approach females.

 

[Piano]

Read the logs and forums. Results are generally the same across the board.

Reduction in social anxiety could be placebo but a placebo that works is just as good. Also it is obvious how this could help in the desire to and the ability to talk to and approach females.

Let me get this straight: you're telling me that ceasing to masturbate can ELIMINATE depression?

Okay, I'll quit masturbating and stop my anti depressants tomorrow and let you know how it goes <3

derp.

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

Let me get this straight: you're telling me that ceasing to masturbate can ELIMINATE depression?

Okay, I'll quit masturbating and stop my anti depressants tomorrow and let you know how it goes <3

derp.

Masturbation-induced depression is very likely to be eliminated, yes.

 

[Wazzim]

Let me get this straight: you're telling me that ceasing to masturbate can ELIMINATE depression?

Okay, I'll quit masturbating and stop my anti depressants tomorrow and let you know how it goes <3

derp.

You should stop using your anti depressants anyway because they do not work. It's a scam.

 

[Joe]

Let me get this straight: you're telling me that ceasing to masturbate can ELIMINATE depression?

Okay, I'll quit masturbating and stop my anti depressants tomorrow and let you know how it goes <3

derp.

Relax, buddy. Go do some research before discrediting it all. Massive amounts of masturbating to pornography has deep effects on your brain past just simple stimulation.

Its obviously not simply black and white, nothing is. It might have marginal effects on your depression or it might not do anything at all. I will guarantee that at the least, in the long run, it will help you approach women. (If you have that problem).

 

[Dice]

Hmm, I wonder what it could be... Hmmmmmmm.

It's probably "classy" or "sensual" since that's so hard to find these days.

Average san fernando valley production concept:
-$500 superwide lens camcorder
-Girl and guy who think "fuck piston" is a good description of any sex act
-Cameraman who thinks 6 inches away from penetration is the best view
-Make best effort to be disgusting and emotionless

 

[Count Dookkake]

It's probably "classy" or "sensual" since that's so hard to find these days.

Yeah, classy like the British Broadcasting Corporation.

Spoiler

Sorry, Dev.

 

[Devolution]

It's probably "classy" or "sensual" since that's so hard to find these days.

Average san fernando valley production concept:
-$500 superwide lens camcorder
-Girl and guy who think "fuck piston" is a good description of any sex act
-Cameraman who thinks 6 inches away from penetration is the best view
-Make best effort to be disgusting and emotionless

That's pretty apt. I tend to watch X-Art, DaneJones and Passion-HD. Clips too since I don't even feel like pirating stuff when I don't really watch the same stuff over and over.

Yeah, classy like the British Broadcasting Corporation.

Spoiler

Sorry, Dev.

I wish like hell I could find classy interracial, if there is one complaint I have about the aforementioned porn it's so fucking white.

 

[Piano]

Relax, buddy. Go do some research before discrediting it all. Massive amounts of masturbating to pornography has deep effects on your brain past just simple stimulation.

Its obviously not simply black and white, nothing is. It might have marginal effects on your depression or it might not do anything at all. I will guarantee that at the least, in the long run, it will help you approach women. (If you have that problem).

I have a girlfriend so this topic doesn't apply to me anyways. But I would bet the entirety of my money and possessions that non-circumstantial depression can't be cured by swearing off porn.

Maybe getting away from porn and doing other things with your time (like interacting with real women) can alleviate mild depression. But correlation =/= causation.

You should stop using your anti depressants anyway because they do not work. It's a scam.

Tell me more about what does and doesn't work for me, please.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

Oh come on.
I could vaguely see where you were coming from until that line. Quit talking out of your ass.

Spoiler

Quit talking out of your dick

Why are you so quick to attack and discount what I'm saying? I wouldn't believe it either, if not for the fact that these effects are consistently reported by the folks who undergo the full term. Bear in mind I also said "reduction or elimination". Some folks report reduction, a few report elimination.

 

[FoxSpirit]

I have a girlfriend so this topic doesn't apply to me anyways. But I would bet the entirety of my money and possessions that non-circumstantial depression can't be cured by swearing off porn.

Maybe getting away from porn and doing other things with your time (like interacting with real women) can alleviate mild depression. But correlation =/= causation.

Tell me more about what does and doesn't work for me, please.

I think it's phrased wrong: anti-depressants are a scam because they only supress the effects of a depression to a certain degree while not actually making things better. Without therapy or changes in life they are just a drug.

You can read up on the findings in Neuropsychology on this subject if you want.
edit: the internet is unfortunately not a good open source I guess :-(

Also, if you are really addicted to porn I can assure you a real 90 days "not anything" period will do great things. Patterns and hormones oh my

 

[Krauser Kat]

Is there any information on using erotic fiction instead of video stuff.

 

[MikeXXIeaf]

I've tried this and generally felt better about relationships and pursuing women. The kicker is the moment you lose will and go back to masturbating, you feel 10x worse because you're now conscious of the physical and mental side effects.

All of that aside too much of anything can be bad for you.

 

[FoxSpirit]

I've tried this and generally felt better about relationships and pursuing women. The kicker is the moment you lose will and go back to masturbating, you feel 10x worse because you're now conscious of the physical and mental side effects.

All of that aside too much of anything can be bad for you.

What do you mean, I picked up smoking again?? Oh shhhh............... >_<

 

[low-G]

Feh, just get female porn consumption to 100% as well. Balance it all out.

This is another of those non-chemical addiction things, or at least only partially chemical. I relied exclusively on porn, sometimes pretty extreme stuff (not illegal) and I am doing just fine with the ladies now, and I didn't even have to try.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

I hate the term "female porn"

 

[GungHo]

For people who quit for the recommended period of 90 days the results are pretty much unanimous. People are reporting increased confidence, elevated mood, increased drive, reduction or elimination of social anxiety and depression, and increased desire for real connection to women. A vast majority of these people report the decision to stop masturbating to porn as "life changing". Many decide they will never use it again.

This reads like an advertisement/testimonial and that may be part of why your message is being doubted.

 

[Devolution]

Feh, just get female porn consumption to 100% as well. Balance it all out.

I don't even know what this means.

 

[Joe]

Is there any information on using erotic fiction instead of video stuff.

The consensus is that until you've gone through a full reboot period just thinking about porn is almost as bad as watching it. I'm not sure if erotic novels are porn....probably use the junk food standard - if you have to ask it probably is.

 

[Brobzoid]

I wish like hell I could find classy interracial, if there is one complaint I have about the aforementioned porn it's so fucking white.

Eastern European porn tends to be that way. I've seen some interracial stuff out of Hegre Art though. which is a pretty good outfit, and in line with the others you listed.

 

[Devolution]

Eastern European porn tends to be that way. I've seen some interracial stuff out of Hegre Art though. which is a pretty good outfit, and in line with the others you listed.

Oh cool. This is why I like porn talk on the internet, I literally cannot ask this crap of my friends (they're prudes).

 

[KillGore]

Jesus...you should definitely take a break.

Reading this thread I felt guilty about looking at porn once every ~2 weeks even though I have a girlfriend. Am I a bad person?

Most porn these days sucks anyways. It's formulaic, purely visceral and devoid of any personality. I can only enjoy amateur stuff, where the people seem like they actually, you know, love each other. Or softcore.

I have a girlfriend and fap every single day, so you're good, I'm not.

I'm a porn addict and now some types of porn do no satisfy me. I'm not looking at crazy shit online though but I mean stuff like interracial, voyeur, natural boobs,

Spoiler

ass-licking

among other things. I really need to lay off...

Funny story, when I lived with my ex girlfriend, I came home from a job interview and found her pants off with a vibrator in her hand. The computer was in the main room of the apartment so she had no time to pull her pants on after I unlocked the door and came in. I didnt say anything and took her to the bedroom. Best sex I have ever had.

I once saw my now ex-girlfriend's online history and I saw that she was looking at porn. I got the biggest boner I've ever had. It felt like my dick was about to burst with just knowing that my now ex was looking at porn. WTF?

 

[Sickboy007]

I have a girlfriend and fap every single day, so you're good, I'm not.

I'm a porn addict and now some types of porn do no satisfy me. I'm not looking at crazy shit online though but I mean stuff like interracial, voyeur, natural boobs,

Spoiler

ass-licking

among other things. I really need to lay off...

Nothing really crazy in the stuff you listed. Or that's the stuff that doesn't do it anymore?

 

[Joe]

One sign of addiction is the need to look at increasingly more and more extreme/hardcore types of porn.

Consider it a drug and you are building up your tolerance.

 

[KillGore]

Nothing really crazy in the stuff you listed. Or that's the stuff that doesn't do it anymore?

Those are the things I'm currently addicted to. Before it was lighter stuff I guess (stripping, masturbation, really softcore stuff) but I've been at this level for two years or so. I'm afraid I'll get bored of it and go into fucked up videos.

 

[Vieo]

I don't know if any of that is true, but I've come to realize like within the past 5 years, I've been struggling to play video games because of masturbation.

When I have free time, I'll be like, "Do I want to play video games or do I want to masturbate? Video games or masturbation? Video games or masturbation? Video games or masturbation?", and 7½ times out of 10, I'll go with masturbation, which can take any where from 45 minutes to an hour, so by the time I'm done, I'm too tired to play games and then either I watch a movie or go to bed if it's late.

It's really annoying if I'm in the middle of an RPG or some other heavy story-driven game because sometimes I won't get back to playing the game for weeks or months even and when I do get back to it, I've forgotten most plot and don't know what the fuck is going on. "Dragon Slash? When did I get this move?"

That video has inspired me to try quitting porn for 90 days, starting tomorrow.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

I once saw my now ex-girlfriend's online history and I saw that she was looking at porn. I got the biggest boner I've ever had. It felt like my dick was about to burst with just knowing that my now ex was looking at porn. WTF?

Why is this such a turn on? (Almost) everyone does.

I only consider it addiction when you absolutely need (not use) porn every day, and start mixing fiction with reality. I don't know why the hardcore stuff is seen as "more addicting" or whatever. Most X-Art stuff just bores me.