True but if that's the case why hasn't anyone working on the game just come out and said that the story has changed?
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True but if that's the case why hasn't anyone working on the game just come out and said that the story has changed?
timetokill
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Right there with you, man. Supremely disappointing.
Admiral Woofington
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Seems like it's safer to assume that he isn't going to scrap the entire premise of his game and start from zero. Hoping he learned his lesson and is going to write a game about something completely different leaving his personal politics completely out of it is less likely.
Possible. But less likely. Hey, prove me wrong creator.
If they do pull out, I'm guessing they do it quietly with no actual announcement. It just disappears off of press releases, web sites and the like.
Not like it matters when he still share those beliefs.
The story is only part of the problem.
I guess the premise could be interesting in the hands of a top-notch writer who doesn't hold the same shitty worldview, but I can't see that being the case here.
Tim is just spouting nonsense which doesn't bode well for the game.
BronsonLee
Member
They won't cancel anything, they just won't boost it up like they normally would an E3 showstealer
That's gotta suck though, 4 years of work and Twitter Strikes Again #DeleteYourTwitter
That's gotta suck though, 4 years of work and Twitter Strikes Again #DeleteYourTwitter
I'm sure, in the past 3 years, the creator saw the light and accepted feminism into his heart.
ArkkAngel007
Member
If the game has changed from that, sure, my interest will be back in at least following how it does and a potential play.
But this left its mark, and it'll never wash out.
But this left its mark, and it'll never wash out.
Their recent replies on twitter would have been a prime opportunity to address your exact concern. However, they chose to not do that and the guy that thanked me earlier in the thread has chosen to only RT a sassy opinion instead of trying to correct anything.
This leads one to believe that the previous vision, story, and views have been continued and are the basis of the game.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
The basic premise at a quick glance doesn't sound like something a GG person would create, until you dig a little deeper. And plus, the art direction is stellar. It's the only thing saving the game from everyone completely dismissing it.
jack_package_200
Banned
He said whatever he said in public. That's how he chooses to represent the game and himself to the public. If there are any significant changes, it's on him to make it clear. There's no benefit of the doubt here.
Frozenprince
Banned
God I was SO EXCITED for a Cyberpunk game I would actually get to play within the next year or so.
Supremely disappointing that he turned out to be a piece of shit.
But yeah, the core concept of a broken utopia is a good one, it's done all the time and done well by many.
But having that poisonous ideology as your core story function? You can tell that it won't be subtle with it's messaging and attitude towards women.
Supremely disappointing that he turned out to be a piece of shit.
But yeah, the core concept of a broken utopia is a good one, it's done all the time and done well by many.
But having that poisonous ideology as your core story function? You can tell that it won't be subtle with it's messaging and attitude towards women.
disappeared
Banned
I remember reading a thread you made about it a couple years back, which first introduced me to the game.
Crazy to think that it ended up like this.
ZanzibarBreeze
Member
Totally agreed here as well. Real bummer.
ichbinmiah
Neo Member
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Or alternatively...
#dontpostyourshittyopinions
Or even better
#donthaveshittyopinions
When are people going to realise the shitty things you say online will bite you in the ass.
Separating author from work is one thing , this is a case where we have all been given clear warning into how this guy thinks and despite some very recent nebulous tweets , he hasn't changed much.
This game isn't out yet. So , we all have this benefit of forsight where we can choose to simply not support it now.
This type of thing is much harder to manage , say after the release of the game. We're all adults that can easily choose to not support this type of thing.
It's a shame really because it does look very cool visually but the main hook of any good adventure game is the story and when , as a creator, you admit the big twist you've got planned is that feminism and progressive thinking is bad like some kind of fancy alt-right hot take ? Nah , I think I'll pass thanks.
At the very least I can safely wait until someone else plays the finished product impartially and tell me that they went in a better direction than that.
This game isn't out yet. So , we all have this benefit of forsight where we can choose to simply not support it now.
This type of thing is much harder to manage , say after the release of the game. We're all adults that can easily choose to not support this type of thing.
It's a shame really because it does look very cool visually but the main hook of any good adventure game is the story and when , as a creator, you admit the big twist you've got planned is that feminism and progressive thinking is bad like some kind of fancy alt-right hot take ? Nah , I think I'll pass thanks.
At the very least I can safely wait until someone else plays the finished product impartially and tell me that they went in a better direction than that.
Exploring hypothetical scenarios is fundamental to sci-fi and as a feminist myself, exploring what a world would look like when the ideology is taken to an absurd length can be interesting if done well.
But nothing he says indicates that he has any interest in exploring that. Instead his "politics" of the future are couched in the politics of today with his hate group pandering and edgelord hash tags. If he announced the theme alone id be interested but very cautious. Its the fact the he's so brazenly tying it off with hash tags of hate groups that is shockingly unprofessional to me.
What a tone deaf asshole.
But nothing he says indicates that he has any interest in exploring that. Instead his "politics" of the future are couched in the politics of today with his hate group pandering and edgelord hash tags. If he announced the theme alone id be interested but very cautious. Its the fact the he's so brazenly tying it off with hash tags of hate groups that is shockingly unprofessional to me.
What a tone deaf asshole.
whose alt is this
Frozenprince
Banned
You can't even do the "separate the author from the work" thing with this because the work is about his disgusting ass views.
notnow0182
Member
Can someone summarize what's going on here? I don't have time to read through this thread.
All twitter does is expose people who lack the ability to filter out the dirt. It doesn't tell you whether or not someone is a dirtbag or not.
DirtyManos
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Right? I mean at the very least a new thread would bring up a pretty controversial situation to the community given it's presence in Microsoft's conference.
Really still wondering what Microsoft's response will be.
Frozenprince
Banned
Fifty bucks says this is still a sales success because he markets it, after he gets de facto abandoned by the Microsoft hype machine of course, to his GG buddies and the cesspit of Voat (hi guys *waves*) and those shitholes.
The writer was in this thread early on. If the story had changed I am sure he would have said something when this all came out. So no probably no changes since that statement and the writer seems to agree with it as well.
Yeah I am guessing she actually wanted to see a response to this stuff. However dude seems to have clammed the fuck up probably because his publisher told him to.
funkystudent
Member
I got to feel for the people who put the Xbox show together with diversity in mind, they went out of their way to have lots of women on stage, only to let this slip through the cracks.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Game looks absolutely phenomenal.
yep, page 1 outta the playbook
1) find nearest female to the story
2) start harassment campaign
veloxStrix
Banned
In the same way that the developer is allowed to be a human and post his dumb opinions on his Twitter, Loftis is allowed to have her own opinions on her personal account. Not sure what is difficult about this. Is it an official Microsoft twitter account?
UncleSporky
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You mean isn't reworking it now, or didn't rework it back then? That was when he was just getting started on it and getting a team together.
I addressed this in the post. Recent tweets have shown his beliefs haven't changed, but nothing indicates that the game's themes continue to be what they were when he was in the brainstorming phase.
Honestly the steam page reads like the themes are more about what happens when society is about consumption instead of creativity. Wouldn't be surprised if the game's choices lead you to a Deus Ex-ish decision of ruining everyone's fun (making them like the main character, who can't "jack in" like everyone else) or perhaps gaining the ability to become like everyone else, and make the main character happy (but at what cost).
Messofanego
Banned
I fucking knew Tim Soret's gamergate stuff would come back to bite him in the ass after arguing with him a couple of years ago. Funny thing is namedropping Phil Fish, considering how Fish was all against gamergate and one of the biggest male allies.
So in your opinion the only mistake this dumbass did was have a twitter account? What the fuck
BronsonLee
Member
Read more than that one post you goon
Don't try to throw hands on me, I didn't do nothin'
You could have warned everyone.
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