Even Dolphin at 480p looks 10x better. The game on the Wii has horrendously low color depth, for some reason.
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The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword |OT| Home of Punkin' Chunkin' Champion 2011
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Even Dolphin at 480p looks 10x better. The game on the Wii has horrendously low color depth, for some reason.
EmCeeGramr
Member
He says "the only reason you still live," not "you still alive."
You sure? I could swear I read it "you still alive".
edit: guess I was wrong. lol. my bad.
I just met with theStone. Video hints, really?SheikahIt ruins the mood.
Then ignore it, good grief. lol
I honestly don't really know why I'm doing anything I'm doing. This is my confusion with the plot since the beginning up until the end of the fourth dungeon.
she gets eaten by some demon whale, I come to the surface, turns out she's okay....? Phew. And someone is protecting her! Phew. So why am I running after her? Oh yeah, because I have to and because it's part of the "goddess' plan" that I don't know anything about. Zelda runs around everywhere, I chase. I chase until she escapes in a time portal and now I really don't know what the point of me doing anything down here is anyway! Or I guess I do, it's "part of the goddess' plan" but there's no natural urgency or desire to be a part of it.
Too much optional content.
thomasmahler
Member
Oh my god, I loved parts of this game, but this is driving me insane right now... I thought I'm almost at the end and the fetch quests just keep coming and coming.
First I need to learn the
, there's a boss and boom, find yet another 3 dragons... Okay, I'm going to the Faron Woods just to
Okay, after I did that, I'm in the woods now.
, that's a neat touch to make the backtracking more interesting. I meet the dragon, he doesn't 'just' want to teach me the song, so he
in the entire Faron Woods area and to complete the quest I have to find every last one of them. It's not like this is THE SAME SHIT I've been doing in the
Are they kidding me? So far, the game feels like 20 hours of original content stretched to 45-50 hours. 20 hours of Zelda content would've been just fine. The
, the stupid
, the fetch quests all the time... I already know I will never ever play this Zelda again and I'm insanely annoyed by this.
Right now, this feels like Banjo Kazooie,
, but this time they FORCE you to get that shit just to complete the game. The swimming controls are terribly unprecise and I have 0 motivation going through that right now, yet I know if I don't finish it now I probably won't finish it at all.
This sucks, Nintendo. This sucks big time. A Link to the Past can be played through in a few hours and it's an awesome game. You don't need to stretch your content, nobody wants a 70 hour Zelda experience. They've been repeating so many scenarios that I've already been through that I feel burned out.
And why the fuck was that never mentioned in reviews? Tedious backtracking and padding that's worse than in Wind Waker? Seriously, this is fucking worse than collecting the Triforce pieces in Wind Waker. The other dungeons (after the first 2) were really enjoyable, the entire middle of the game is really good, but damn... this is no fun at all.
First I need to learn the
spin attack
BEAT THE SAME BOSS FOR A THIRD TIME. I HATE THIS GUY.
Okay, after I did that, I'm in the woods now.
Everythings flooded
hid like three dozen little notes
Spirit Realm anyway, right?
Are they kidding me? So far, the game feels like 20 hours of original content stretched to 45-50 hours. 20 hours of Zelda content would've been just fine. The
Spirit Realms
Boat Rides where you have to go through 3 different things
Right now, this feels like Banjo Kazooie,
finding every single shitty note in the forest
This sucks, Nintendo. This sucks big time. A Link to the Past can be played through in a few hours and it's an awesome game. You don't need to stretch your content, nobody wants a 70 hour Zelda experience. They've been repeating so many scenarios that I've already been through that I feel burned out.
And why the fuck was that never mentioned in reviews? Tedious backtracking and padding that's worse than in Wind Waker? Seriously, this is fucking worse than collecting the Triforce pieces in Wind Waker. The other dungeons (after the first 2) were really enjoyable, the entire middle of the game is really good, but damn... this is no fun at all.
You basically just described every zelda game ever made. Perhaps it's not the franchise for you ? Or perhaps you are like a friend of mine and have just grown sick of this play style? Currently he's obsessed with skyrim and watched me play a bit of zelda commenting that he probably wouldn't bother to come back to the series again until they basically make zelda 1 with 3D graphics. That is , no hub area, no fetch quests , just nonstop dungeons and fighting. So basically it's never going to happen.
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In other news- I finally got around to finishing off the 4th dungeon, each one gets better than the previous one , I do kind of wish there wasn't as much padding prior to the dungeon though. By my rough estimates based on game clock there was about an extra hour worth of stuff to do prior to the dungeon compared to the first 3 areas. The boss fight in the 4th area was also pretty cool once I figured it all out. I'm Just really enjoying this game, once I got past that initial learning curve (I had to play through about 6 hours) I managed to ignore my initial disgust and frustration. I also found a funny easter egg, I'll just say that everyone should go into beetles shop without buying anything 3 or 4 times in a row for a small laugh.
Yeah. I actually forgot it was there, until just a few moments ago that I was breaking my head looking for an item in a sidequest and was like "well, what the hell..let's just watch part of it..to get an idea". And..it was cool. It's basically having a full guide inside the game; so no biggie. I see it just as an extra. Heck, companies sell PDF guides for $15-$20; and Nintendo included one inside for free...made of videos.
EDIT:
Oh! And I found the item, but can't complete the quest since I suck...at arriving to where the item is located.
Are you talking about the first dungeon? The easy (if cheap) technique I found in fighting him was to position my sword as if I were to do one kind of strike, wait for him to prepare for that strike, and then quickly slash in some other way.
Just found a shiekah stone that said, (slight post 6th dungeon spoilers)
"The dragon lives at the peak of the volcano, but you're no where near the peak!"
Do you want to hear that again?
I said "No" of course.
And then it says, "Rumour has it you're some kind of genius that remembers everything the first time."
No wonder Fi repeats everything right after it's been said.
Do you want to hear that again?
I said "No" of course.
And then it says, "Rumour has it you're some kind of genius that remembers everything the first time."
No wonder Fi repeats everything right after it's been said.
The
Faron Musical Note bs
I know people are going to respond "But wait, Amir0x, I loved
going back to fetch water through a dungeon with virtually no changes! I love revisiting Faron Woods for the eighteenth time to do shit that is the antithesis of what makes good Zelda games, like collecting notes as if I'm in a fucking RARE game!
But to me, there's no question. This has the worst amount of bloat and padding that has ever graced a Zelda game. This game could literally be cut almost in half and suffer virtually nothing for it but be immeasurably improved. I was in AWE at some of the busy work the game makes you do. No puzzles during these segments, no real compelling combat... literally fawning over areas you've already been, occasionally with slight variation in the environment or enemy difficulty, to COLLECT 18 pieces of SHIT like I've been dropped back into the N64 era. And they keep repeating the mechanic! Over and over and over and over! It's some of the most uncharacteristically lazy gameplay design Nintendo has ever partaken in during the Zelda franchise. I've never seen anything like it before.
I keep ruminating on the game now that I've beat it, and I really am sour on it compared to any other 3D Zelda game.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the idea of more dense areas, and they are used to great effect the first time you visit these places and very rarely during certain parts when you're revisiting them, but they are virtually crippled by the end with the padding and backtracking to pointless areas you've been thirteen times. I LOVE the dungeons themselves (most of them, dungeon 1 and 2 definitely feel like weak starter packs though), which even though they're linear feel very well utilized and have a right difficulty curve. And I LOVE the orchestrated music, when it's being used, it makes the experience feel so much more lush.
But I will definitely never be complaining about the Wind Waker triforce hunt again. I'm going to laugh and be all "it's ok, it's not really bad, I've experienced Skyward Sword."
Joei
Member
I'm near the beginning with the
and I must say this is quite possibly the worst thing I've ever experienced in gaming.
I've been doing this for 15 minutes titling my controller everyway imaginable and can't figure out what to do. What the hell.
race on your skyloft
The bird is stuck in the clouds and he won't fly out. I've "charged" a few times and he kind of flys up then goes back into the clouds.
Damn dude. SPOILERS.
I don't understand what you're saying. You are always in the clouds.
LOL just throw out the game already if you cant fly
PhoenixSFT
Member
You move the wiimote up and down to flap the loftwing's wings. This'll lift it higher into the air.
civilstrife
Member
Joei
Member
lol, thanks... the only thing I wasn't doing was shaking the damn controller.
The one thing that I kept thinking about while playing was that your bird flies way too slow.
I think the speed when you fly through those speed portals should be the default speed.
I don't know why they couldn't have added a dash function to the loftwings.
As for the dungeons, I could have done without the
I think the speed when you fly through those speed portals should be the default speed.
I don't know why they couldn't have added a dash function to the loftwings.
As for the dungeons, I could have done without the
song of hero fetch quest, I was ready to finish the game at that point and it just bogged everything down
ShockingAlberto
Member
Just raise it and bring it down hard
People equate this to a flap, I think it's just a slam
gosh maybe Nintendo does need 19 hour tutorials and 40 hours of handholding
I have a cheat code that does this and it's actually too fast, I'm finding it hard to land on islands without zooming over them.
MrCookiepants
Member
Don't mean to sound dickish but, this being a Wii game, shouldn't that have been the first thing you tried?
Finished it. Loved it. Now depressed as I don't have a Zelda game to play. Damn you nintendo.
Final Bosses spoilers
All in all, my this is by far my GOTY and that feeling of finishing a Zelda game and having an empty hole there is stronger than ever.
Final Bosses spoilers
I really liked the character design of Demise plus the whole design of the last battle was just epic with the lightning striking. Looked amazing.
That being said, he wasn't hard at all, I died first time as I just kept shield blocking and trying to strike him without realizing you could get the lightning power and bring the figh to him!
I actually think the hardest part of that final sequence was running and fighting from the top of the sealed grounds to the bottom. Used two potions on the way down to the bottom. Ghirahim boss battle was entertaining and was great seeing he was actually the "weapon" of demise.
That being said, he wasn't hard at all, I died first time as I just kept shield blocking and trying to strike him without realizing you could get the lightning power and bring the figh to him!
I actually think the hardest part of that final sequence was running and fighting from the top of the sealed grounds to the bottom. Used two potions on the way down to the bottom. Ghirahim boss battle was entertaining and was great seeing he was actually the "weapon" of demise.
All in all, my this is by far my GOTY and that feeling of finishing a Zelda game and having an empty hole there is stronger than ever.
Saying that SS has something more boring and tedious than Wind Wakers' Triforce Quest is starting to worry me. It was the reason why I have never completed WW ;_;.
Is it so bad? So far, after 4 dungeons, I simply love this game. I don't want to be disappointed with the end-game.
Is it so bad? So far, after 4 dungeons, I simply love this game. I don't want to be disappointed with the end-game.
That's how I did it at first, but I've found it works best to tilt it up and down quickly rather than moving the whole Wiimote.
I like this game a lot so far, but it amazes me that these controls are supposed to make it more accessible to casuals. Figuring out the proper way to use the motion controls requires experimentation beyond the in game instructions and some techniques that are necessary to work around the game's flaws (centering the first person camera to calibrate the controller) seem like the would be difficult concepts for non-nerds to grasp.
My 5 year-old nephew wants Skyward Sword after watching me play it and having a few goes at swinging Link's sword, but I think I'm going to advise his parents against getting it for him.
The answer is going to keep being 'for some people yes, for others no.'
For my part, the answer is that by the end of the game I literally could not understand how people could not feel half of the game was excessive padding, but others would say they enjoyed these parts as they 'changed up' the gameplay. I think it changed it into something that sucks fucking ass, but that's just me
Joei
Member
lol, you would think, but I haven't played my Wii since last year. And only played yesterday for a few minutes when I started it up.
Naw, I rushed through the tutorial on how to fly yesterday and had to quit. It didn't need handholding, just better directions. I will say this beginning is pretty slow though. I have to put the game down again soon and am still waiting to get to my first dungeon. :/
I'm not finished yet but I was slightly annoyed by some backtracking and fetch quest stuff, but overall they're fine.
[first boss spoilers]
i liked the ghirahim fight, although i never fought him without a shield. the second half wasn't as interesting because you basically take him down with just the shield bash, but the way it's used in the first half is pretty interesting- distracting him so he can't see how you're about to swing the sword. and there's definitely an 'oh shit' moment if/when he takes your sword from you.
As long as I won't have to deal with fucking rupee farming, I think I'll be fine.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Just beat it. Quite a refreshing experience.
Also, mogmas are the best NPCs in zelda's history.
Also, mogmas are the best NPCs in zelda's history.
The answer is going to keep being 'for some people yes, for others no.'
For my part, the answer is that by the end of the game I literally could not understand how people could not feel half of the game was excessive padding, but others would say they enjoyed these parts as they 'changed up' the gameplay. I think it changed it into something that sucks fucking ass, but that's just me
i'm about 17.5 hours in, through the fourth temple, and i'm just taking it easy, doing sidequests and stuff. i didn't mind the
tear hunting, which we've known about forever, since it did treat that area differently, and i wasn't thrilled with revisiting the first dungeon, but we knew that was going to happen thanks to some interview from a few months ago. i don't think it's a wholly bad idea, but revisiting dungeons probably would be a better idea for an extended sidequest.
i don't know exactly what awaits me in the final fetch quest, but so far everything's been at a pretty consistent level. the only shitty part so far was everything through the first dungeon, probably because i hadn't figured out i didn't need to use dowsing, and fi was still appearing all over the place.
i don't know exactly what awaits me in the final fetch quest, but so far everything's been at a pretty consistent level. the only shitty part so far was everything through the first dungeon, probably because i hadn't figured out i didn't need to use dowsing, and fi was still appearing all over the place.
I don't think that there is anything in the game you'll find more borng and tedious than Wind Wakers's triforce quest if you have already beaten 4 dungeons and are in love with the game.
I actually can't relate with most of the criticisms regarding the "fetch quests". With a few exceptions even the endgame content offers -new- content, even if it sometimes involves visiting some older areas again (which is something I can't blame the game for, because the areas obviously have been designed to be used more than just once -- they are the most densed, and content-packed area of any 3D Zelda period).
I really love visiting older areas to find completely new, unvisited areas inside of them tbh. I really appreciate what Nintendo tried to pull of with the area design.
the worst part isn't even the padding itself and all the other issues (hand-holding etc.), it's that they're found in a game which in many other areas is the most polished entry in the franchise and has some of the best and most unique content (dungeons, bosses, items). that's what makes it so frustrating.The answer is going to keep being 'for some people yes, for others no.'
For my part, the answer is that by the end of the game I literally could not understand how people could not feel half of the game was excessive padding, but others would say they enjoyed these parts as they 'changed up' the gameplay. I think it changed it into something that sucks fucking ass, but that's just me
Out of the NPC's, I really loved the personalities here. I particularly loved the item hold shop girl, who just
I loved the
But Groose really is the one who shines the most. I was afraid that it'd be typical shallow anime fluff, and it OCCASIONALLY is, but it's mostly a really simplistic yet effective story of character growth that doesn't really knock you out with excessive dialogue. It's pretty well done.
To me that's what compounds the frustration, but I definitely think I was more annoyed at doing the parts themselves. I don't mind revisiting areas, in fact I advocate for it, but there is bad backtracking and good backtracking and this game very frequently opts for the padding version of it.
slowly gradually begins to fall in love with you after being so despondent in the early parts of the game. That was so amusing and well done with the animations and such.
I loved the
item shop proper owner, the weird guy with the cheeks who buys treasures at night. He is bipolar or something lol
But Groose really is the one who shines the most. I was afraid that it'd be typical shallow anime fluff, and it OCCASIONALLY is, but it's mostly a really simplistic yet effective story of character growth that doesn't really knock you out with excessive dialogue. It's pretty well done.
jarosh said:
To me that's what compounds the frustration, but I definitely think I was more annoyed at doing the parts themselves. I don't mind revisiting areas, in fact I advocate for it, but there is bad backtracking and good backtracking and this game very frequently opts for the padding version of it.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
About to go to the 3rd dungeon and so far I've been loving it. Just might be my favorite Zelda after LTTP
The nunchuck controls are a hit and miss for me.
I can never roll into a tree, It always climbs up it.
I never use my shield since it doesn't come out when I need it to.
The dive jumping is just a pain to do correctly.
Is anyone else having trouble with the nunchuck controls?
Any tips? I think it might be my nunchuck.
I can never roll into a tree, It always climbs up it.
I never use my shield since it doesn't come out when I need it to.
The dive jumping is just a pain to do correctly.
Is anyone else having trouble with the nunchuck controls?
Any tips? I think it might be my nunchuck.
the scene where groose follows link to the surface may be the only time i've laughed out loud while playing a zelda game
it just comes out of fucking nowhere.
Funny how opinions differ. I love pretty much everything about Skyward, but I think bosses and items are pretty much its weakpoints and while the dungeons have great designs, they are imo too simple and short compared to most other dungeons in the series.
EmCeeGramr
Member
There's some funny foreshadowing to that part.
If you keep visiting Groose in his room, throughout his crying funk he starts to mention "Yeah I see you flying in and out of town, like you're going to find her," and "I've seen those pillars of light. I bet they're Zelda calling for me!" and how he has to do something. I think (not sure) that if you even go into his room right before he follows you, he's not there.
Also, "This place needs a name. A name fitting for this rugged, adventurous wilderness. From now on, we'll call it... Grooseland."
That and how he's freaking out over Gorko (which makes sense, actually) while he's just wandering around with a map, oblivious to the two of them.
Also, "This place needs a name. A name fitting for this rugged, adventurous wilderness. From now on, we'll call it... Grooseland."
That and how he's freaking out over Gorko (which makes sense, actually) while he's just wandering around with a map, oblivious to the two of them.
It's very well done. I actually thought the game had got most out of the character early on, but they implemented him into the story quite well.
To me I keep saying but dungeons need to be re-evaluated for this game. Because I think it's clear many of the pre-dungeon areas might as well be dungeons, as you often do just as much puzzling before them as in them. To me it's all part of a grand singular dungeon vision that just happens to include areas outside.
Really? I thought the bosses and items were awesome, well, moreso how you use the items than the items themselves.
yeah, i remember him saying that, but i never thought he would actually do it.
also, i love his theme in its many forms.
also, i love his theme in its many forms.
WTF!!! I spoiler'd the part(weapon) you just spoiled for me. Thanks a lot.
to be fair, that item was first shown off at e3 2010.
To be even more fair, some like to go in super fresh and a spoiler-free thread should be spoiler-free(besides tagged spoilers)...