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The Poker Thread - Let's Get Ready to Gamboooool: Beginners welcome!

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diamondstar

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XiaNaphryz said:
With the high variance of large field tourneys, and lower payouts of single or 2 table tourneys, I like to go for the 4-20 table MTTs. I find I make the money a decent % of the time in those, with the occasional win.
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Yea that is about the field where I feel most comfortable. But I do the occassional Daily Dollar Tourney, the money is too tempting. The highest I got was around the 100 person mark. Was soo close to a double up but got a terrible bad beat.
 
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InsaneMelon

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Cooter said:
So I'm in the process of switching from TAG to LAG. Through 4,000 hands at 25NL 6-max i'm down $50. Not too bad actually all things considered. Right now I'm 21/16/3.5. It's tricky playing so many hands and navigating your way through the pots but I definitely see how this can be more profitable once you get it,dialed in. Right now I'm having the most trouble with my Cbet % and just how much I need to be doing it. Any seasoned LAG players have any advice?
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4000 hands is simply not an adequate sample to judge how well you're doing so stay positive. Keep playing and you might be surprised how quickly your luck can change.

My advice is to cbet boards which are unlikely to have helped your opponent's range. For example, if you're playing against a 15/12 nit who has called your raise preflop, he's virtually always gonna have a small to medium pair. If you cbet a KQ4 board it's gonna be virtually impossible for him to continue. If you choose to cbet a board like A74, against the same type of villain, you need to have a plan for the turn. Often he's gonna call at least once, but the majority of his range isn't ace heavy. If the turn is a K, Q, J or T i'd bet again and if he calls give up on most rivers.

Against a loose passive player (with stats like 30/7), look to cbet dry boards like the A74 described above. These types are normally massive calling stations, so once called either shut down or carry on betting if you have a strong hand.

Just check/fold or check back on boards like JT9 vs these villains unless you have a strong hand - they're not gonna fold enough to make a cbet profitable. If they raise at any stage in a hand, it means they have a very strong hand, as they virtually never bluff raise.

Multi way you wanna tighten up your cbetting range a ton. Only do it when you have a strong hand or are in position. Overall, around a 70% flop cbet stat is reasonable.

You may want to open up your 3 bet range slightly. For example, if a reg is opening loose blind v blind against you, look to punish him by re-raising light. Look to polarize your 3 bet range - eg do it with very strong hands like AA and KK and weaker hands, such as A7s, you can throw away easily to a 4 bet. This is more of an advanced concept though, so I'd focus on getting the fundamentals down first.
 
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Mister Zimbu

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This is a weird hand that I probably played badly, but every place I could've really played different I probably would've lost more on. Thoughts? Unfortunately I'm at work so I don't have the exact hand history ready (and some details might be wrong):

$4+$0.40 Rush Poker tournament, 100/200 blinds. I'm chip leader, and on the button with about $21,000 with ~120 players left (27 pay). Since it's Rush I can't really have reliable stats on any of the opponents.

Preflop: UTG, the villain with about $17,000, limps in. Folded to me on the button. I have Kc Qs. I limp behind. SB folds and BB checks. Pot: $700.

Flop: Kd Qd x. Villain bets $700, I just call. SB folds. Pot: $2,100

Turn: Ad. Possible flush on board, and gutshot straight could've hit too. Villain bets $1,200. I raise to $3,500 to see where I'm at. Villain calls. Pot: $9,100.

River: Jx. Villain bets $1,000. I figure I'm probably beat here but I make a crying call in case of a complete bluff.

Villain shows
As Ac
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Thinking over it I probably could've taken it with a raise on the river but I'm a stupid nit so I just passived myself into only a slightly above average stack and an eventual 12th place finish.

On the other hand, who knows if he's one of the many players who overplays those hands and refuses to let them go under any circumstances. To him I probably have a flush if I raise river, but he may still want to see it to believe it. I still have roughly $14k left after the hand if I fold or call here, which at these blinds is completely playable (albeit dangerous given how fast blinds go up).

diamondstar said:
Yea that is about the field where I feel most comfortable. But I do the occassional Daily Dollar Tourney, the money is too tempting. The highest I got was around the 100 person mark. Was soo close to a double up but got a terrible bad beat.
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I used to play the daily dollar alot, but the pace for me is really too slow. A double stack + normal blinds... it takes like 2 hours to reach the money, and if you last for 5 or 6 you still only make like $3.

I'm just not patient anymore, I guess.

Personally, my go-to tourneys are the $4+$0.40 Rush on demand SnGs and the monthly BLT on FTP.

I'll occasionally do the $10 sunday quarter million on Stars, but I don't like to do that because the players on Stars are significantly better than on FTP, and I think a good half the players just troll everybody by running the clock on literally every decision including preflop folds.

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Speaking of Stars, I'd like to add some more admins to the GAF Series of Poker group so you guys don't have to rely on me to make private tourneys and whatnot. Send me a message if interested. Priority is going to go to the more active participants
 
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InsaneMelon

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Mister Zimbu said:
This is a weird hand that I probably played badly, but every place I could've really played different I probably would've lost more on. Thoughts? Unfortunately I'm at work so I don't have the exact hand history ready (and some details might be wrong):

$4+$0.40 Rush Poker tournament, 100/200 blinds. I'm chip leader, and on the button with about $21,000 with ~120 players left (27 pay). Since it's Rush I can't really have reliable stats on any of the opponents.

Preflop:
UTG, the villain with about $17,000, limps in. Folded to me on the button. I have Kc Qs. I limp behind. SB folds and BB checks. Pot: $700.

Flop comes Kd Qd x. Villain bets $700, I just call. SB folds. Pot: $2,100

Turn: Ad. Possible flush on board, and gutshot straight could've hit too. Villain bets $1,200. I raise to $3,500 to see where I'm at. Villain calls. Pot: $9,100.

River: Jx. Villain bets $1,000. I figure I'm probably beat here but I make a crying call in case of a complete bluff.

Villain shows
As Ac
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Is it a full ring tourney? Pre flop is obviously fine, think a raise to 700 or so would have been fine too.

On the flop, I'm gonna raise it up every time to about 2200 for value. Such a draw heavy board and you will get called by worse very often. Multi way, on this board texture, you wanna look to get the money is as quickly as possible

Turn is an easy flat call. If he's bad enough to limp UTG he can show up with a lot of weak flushes like 78dd along with a lot of 2 pairs now. You should never raise to see where you're at. You should raise either for value or as a bluff. In this spot, by raising with KQo, he is only gonna continue with hands that beat you, besides a few AsJd type hands. You're essentially turning your hand into a bluff for no reason.

I wish you hadn't told us what villain had. What he had is irrelevant. Poker is a game played against ranges of hands. For example, if someone is willing to go all in preflop with a range of TT+ and AKo+, going all in with Kings is clearly a good play. If he shows AA its a cooler, but the hand was played well regardless of what he showed.

I don't wanna sound harsh, I definitely used to play a similar style to you. In these low stakes tournaments, when you've got a big hand play it hard and fast. You'd be amazed what people show up with when they call you.
 
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diamondstar

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I'm not trying to derail this thread but since its the gamble thread I thought I should ask. Anyone here bet on horses or dogs? Was thinking of starting a thread about handicapping. I think we can help each other win some cash!
 
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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I only had a small amount because I mainly play micros online. I stick to B&Ms for the big bucks stuff.
 
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parrotbeak

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It's funny that I cashed out of partypoker when the law passed cuz I didn't want my money to get stuck, but a lot of people I know kept playing on FT and then PS. Years later I deposit $50 just to play the gaf tourneys and now this happens.

Shit, I know guys who play $500 tourneys. I don't know what their rolls are but it must be huge. They must be shitting right now.
 
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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
tmdorsey said:
What are B&Ms?
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"Brick & mortars," just a general term to refer to a physically based location (casino, cardhouse, etc). There's poker rooms all over California.
 
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tmdorsey

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XiaNaphryz said:
"Brick & mortars," just a general term to refer to a physically based location (casino, cardhouse, etc). There's poker rooms all over California.
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Oh ok. I know Brick & Mortars, I just never heard it applied to a poker room. lol.
 
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K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

At least I just made a $500 withdraw on the 6th.

Fuck the Government.
 
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diamondstar

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FUUUUUUUU... I just read the news... FUUUUUU.

You know if America allowed this, they could get a cut of those billions of dollars...
 
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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Kinda weird seeing the Heads Up final on NBC right now, with Moneymaker in the Pokerstars gear and Seidel in the FTP gear.
 
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K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Yeah I was watching that. It made me realize how big of a whole has been left in my life.

Oh Pot-Limit Omaha, how I miss you.... I feel incomplete.
 
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A Penguin

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You guys ever consider moving to merge? I put a little bit on and just grind on there to get my fix. Withdrawals are an issue currently but degens like me gotta degen.
 
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K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
A Penguin said:
You guys ever consider moving to merge? I put a little bit on and just grind on there to get my fix. Withdrawals are an issue currently but degens like me gotta degen.
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Exactly why I'm hesitant to deposit there, unless it's just to play some ultra micro-limit games.

I can't something like play .10/.25 PLO, without knowing that my deposit is still mine.

I worry that the DoJ is going to hit Merge, and they'll file bankruptcy, like Ultimate Bet/Absolute Poker did.
 
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Shalashaska

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Went to a B&M today for the first time, I was pretty nervous given that I had no live experience. But I settled in quickly and won a big pot on my second hand which calmed the nerves. Played the $1/$3 table (wish it was 1/2 but oh well), bought in for $200 and cashed out at the end with $480 so a nice experience overall.
 
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XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
So I've been playing a lot more live games again given the status of Internet poker for US players. Been doing well at 6-12 so far - doesn't really play much differently from the typical small stakes tables - so lots of loose passives with the occasional crazy LAG.

Been playing the occasional small buy-in tourneys as well. Structures are usually terrible, so they're essentially Turbos, but I do rather well at those so I'll jump in if there's enough players. Just cashed in from one this morning, 9th out of 40.
 
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parrotbeak

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Going to be in Vegas this coming weekend. Has anyone played $1/2 nl on the strip recently? Looking for some weak games.

Last time I was there was maybe 4-5 years ago and Planet Hollywood was a good game for me--lots of people from the bar right next to the poker room wandering over, dropping $50-100 buyins with loose drunk play and leaving. I like the games where people aren't serious, you can see what they're thinking on their faces, etc.

Not interested in the quiet, serious games. Those have their place but not when you're jetlagged and on limited time.
 
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parrotbeak

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Is anyone still paying attention to the Poker Player Alliance? I joined when they first started years back after the first legislation that stopped US players from accessing Party Poker, but since I stopped playing online I stopped following.

Got an email from them today for a new campaign: http://theppa.org/neverfold-contact/

I wonder if I should join again and get another t-shirt. You also get tokens for something called Hogwild poker also, which I never heard of but apparently you could win an entry package for a Vegas tourney. I dunno, I just read the ad in the email, will read the fine print later.
 
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parrotbeak

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Wow, does no one play poker anymore?

Bump for evening crowd.

Also played a few nights in Vegas and the games are way more nitty than I remember. Of course the last time I played in Vegas nl was still competing with limit. Now everything is $1/2 or 2/5 nl and there were usually only interest lists for 2/4 limit. Which is fine with me.

But the other thing was that it seemed like 90% of the players were regulars and knew each other. Really tight and lots of table moving. Someone would eye me out for a few rounds and then request a move. I'd notice that everyone else seemed to be friends and request a move. But every table was like that.

Planet Hollywood's room was the only place that was full of drunk tourists playing poorly. Luckily work paid for my airfare so I just needed to make enough to cover my extra hotel nights, which I did a few times over.
 
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K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
I haven't kept track of what are the "good" sites, in ages, since I can't play on most of them from the US. You should check the 2+2 Internet Poker forum.

I once heard Pokerstars has some tight play.

Right now, I'm just slumming it out on Bovado, because I don't expect any site to pay me if I run up a large bankroll.
 
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IGotBillySoSpooked

Low moral character
I think I am going to go with PokerStars. Are there any good bonus programs around still?

Is PokerSource.com still a good bet? I see they are offering an extra $150 when you deposit $50 at PokerStars.
 
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MrPing1000

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AFter long ass negotiations between the Department of Justice andGroupe Bernard Tapie, Tapie pulled out of buying FTP.

However it now looks like Pokerstars is going to buy FTP for $750m including playing back all the players money ($330m), This will also settle all charges against Pokerstars in the USA.

Massive news.
 
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K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
MrPing1000 said:
AFter long ass negotiations between the Department of Justice andGroupe Bernard Tapie, Tapie pulled out of buying FTP.

However it now looks like Pokerstars is going to buy FTP for $750m including playing back all the players money ($330m), This will also settle all charges against Pokerstars in the USA.

Massive news.
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Holy fuck whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!
parrotbeak said:
Fatties?
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Americans.

In other news, I've just processed my very first cash out from Bovado. Let's see if the check bounces. Fuck I miss Pokerstars too.
 
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Chris R

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MrPing1000 said:
AFter long ass negotiations between the Department of Justice andGroupe Bernard Tapie, Tapie pulled out of buying FTP.

However it now looks like Pokerstars is going to buy FTP for $750m including playing back all the players money ($330m), This will also settle all charges against Pokerstars in the USA.

Massive news.
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Awesome that I'll get my money back.

Get your shit together though US Government, there is money to be made taxing online poker.
 
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parrotbeak

Member
K.Jack said:
Americans.
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Is that a recognized slang for Americans? Makes sense but I never heard it.

Hmm, I forget if I actually still had money in FTP, or what my log in was. I know I deposited a little bit to play the gaf tourneys, but it wasn't very much and I never placed.
 
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Heel

Member
parrotbeak, I would legit kill you in
free
poker.

Are you familiar with the Stockton Slap min 6-bet strategy?

Didn't think so, brah.
 
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bodyboarder

Member
MrPing1000 said:
AFter long ass negotiations between the Department of Justice andGroupe Bernard Tapie, Tapie pulled out of buying FTP.

However it now looks like Pokerstars is going to buy FTP for $750m including playing back all the players money ($330m), This will also settle all charges against Pokerstars in the USA.

Massive news.
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That is a surprise to say the least.
 
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Moppet13

Member
IGotBillySoSpooked said:
I still have like $30-40 at FTP. I kept failing horribly to get to the $50 min cash out.
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Are you sure about that? When was the last time you checked?

Edit: Wait if PokerStars buys FTP I Guess you do.

Also Can we start the GAF poker games again? Carbon Poker still works in US and Canada and you can create a passworded table? I mean it would have to be 10 people max but still I missed out on them and want to experience them.
 
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IGotBillySoSpooked

Low moral character
Moppet13 said:
Are you sure about that? When was the last time you checked?

Edit: Wait if PokerStars buys FTP I Guess you do.

Also Can we start the GAF poker games again? Carbon Poker still works in US and Canada and you can create a passworded table? I mean it would have to be 10 people max but still I missed out on them and want to experience them.
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I haven't checked for at least 1 year. Hopefully it is still there.
 
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parrotbeak

Member
Oh $50 min cash out. I can't cash out then, I think someone transferred me $50 just so I could play the gaf sngs.

How do US players get money into Carbon Poker?
 
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