I suppose it's a kind of way of protest.
As "i don't want to be part of this community anymore"
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I suppose it's a kind of way of protest.
As "i don't want to be part of this community anymore"
Lys Skygge
Member
I go on vacation, and when I finally get some wifi I find GAF in a crazy state. Goddamn haha.
Anyways, Im finally caught up on all the drama...its pretty shitty, but the situation doesnt seem as black and white that many seemed to make it (GAF has always had a problem with only seeing complicated topics in black and white)
GAF will always have a dark cloud looming over it now, but there is no better site with great gaming discussion, so Ill be sticking around. Im going to miss OT...hopefully it isnt gone for too long.
Anyways, Im finally caught up on all the drama...its pretty shitty, but the situation doesnt seem as black and white that many seemed to make it (GAF has always had a problem with only seeing complicated topics in black and white)
GAF will always have a dark cloud looming over it now, but there is no better site with great gaming discussion, so Ill be sticking around. Im going to miss OT...hopefully it isnt gone for too long.
Waldo Lydecker
Member
Hey, GAF is back. I guess Mike Ybarra cheered too soon.
https://twitter.com/XboxQwik/status/921960768123297794
https://twitter.com/XboxQwik/status/921960768123297794
or maybe people that used their uni/business emails to sign up here don't want to be affiliated with this place in any shape or form anymore.
Undead Unicorn
Neo Member
Her tenure as Barack Obama's Secretary of State, her career in the senate up to and including voting for Iraq and never really apologizing for it, and her statements on the campaign trail.
Ever wonder why the "good ethical" neocons fled to her camp? Because he didn't have the hard on Hillary did for military intervention and mildly criticized SecState, Like Trump proved to be so lazy he just let's Kelly run things, but Clinton would be an active enabler.
Sunset Samurai
Member
Still they can easily say "im done with this site" & just never come back. Some just want attention so bad
I'll just wait and see how this turns out.
I like neogaf because it's a simple forum, normally when I wake up I can check the first page and if there's been anything interesting happen it's easy to find and then read a bit of discussion.
Even if I didn't participate much in this community because I didn't really agree with the general views in this place, I still enjoyed the general experience, and I can't go to 4chan anymore because it's not a good news source and the "discussion" there has become absolute dogshit for several years now, like an endless void of false flagging shit posts.
So I'm glad this place is back for now atleast.
I like neogaf because it's a simple forum, normally when I wake up I can check the first page and if there's been anything interesting happen it's easy to find and then read a bit of discussion.
Even if I didn't participate much in this community because I didn't really agree with the general views in this place, I still enjoyed the general experience, and I can't go to 4chan anymore because it's not a good news source and the "discussion" there has become absolute dogshit for several years now, like an endless void of false flagging shit posts.
So I'm glad this place is back for now atleast.
Hip Hop
Member
Wow, I don't know what to say.
I'm not going to partake in a hot take about why this happened, plenty of other people can do that.
However, Evilore, I cannot agree with your assessment of how to address the problems GAF faces.
I've been here for a decade, and moderation if anything has become so lax, yet arbitrary. Obvious infractions were overlooked and posts that were hard edged yet allowed for years got the boot depending on what mod was on duty.
Certain threads became graveyards just because they were triggers? It was like a reverse caterday, only instead of cute cats, we have people pretty aggressively pursuing others to be banned. What was purportedly proactive moderation became basically an excuse to bait people.
I don't think banning political discourse is the answer, more a move away from allowing ad hominem attacks on people whose views are not the views of the majority. Aside from avoiding the tyranny of the majority, it's always best to promote debate of ideas, not the named making them. Too many times I have seen the right thing posted by the wrong person being attacked because of who said it, not what was said. That's wrong.
If anything, we need more, visible moderation based on a transparent set of principles, completely understandable by the community and not based on one person's views. Alongside that making the mods trusted community members was Neogaf best asset, do not ruin that because of this.
Finally? I implore you to seperate ownership from control of GAF. It is such a huge conflict of interest and this incident shows it. If you want Neogaf to be for the community, you'll assign the creation of the rulebook to your site admins, step down as a red, and post as a member of the community.
At the moment, you're judge, Judy and executioner. As a scandal involving you has almost imperilled the entire community, you must show that you are not Neogaf. At the moment, you are, for good and bad.
I'm not going to partake in a hot take about why this happened, plenty of other people can do that.
However, Evilore, I cannot agree with your assessment of how to address the problems GAF faces.
I've been here for a decade, and moderation if anything has become so lax, yet arbitrary. Obvious infractions were overlooked and posts that were hard edged yet allowed for years got the boot depending on what mod was on duty.
Certain threads became graveyards just because they were triggers? It was like a reverse caterday, only instead of cute cats, we have people pretty aggressively pursuing others to be banned. What was purportedly proactive moderation became basically an excuse to bait people.
I don't think banning political discourse is the answer, more a move away from allowing ad hominem attacks on people whose views are not the views of the majority. Aside from avoiding the tyranny of the majority, it's always best to promote debate of ideas, not the named making them. Too many times I have seen the right thing posted by the wrong person being attacked because of who said it, not what was said. That's wrong.
If anything, we need more, visible moderation based on a transparent set of principles, completely understandable by the community and not based on one person's views. Alongside that making the mods trusted community members was Neogaf best asset, do not ruin that because of this.
Finally? I implore you to seperate ownership from control of GAF. It is such a huge conflict of interest and this incident shows it. If you want Neogaf to be for the community, you'll assign the creation of the rulebook to your site admins, step down as a red, and post as a member of the community.
At the moment, you're judge, Judy and executioner. As a scandal involving you has almost imperilled the entire community, you must show that you are not Neogaf. At the moment, you are, for good and bad.
Spiritual_Chaos
Banned
Or make a statement. Don't see what the problem is.
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
This maybe, possibly could have been salvaged if you just owned up to your mistake. Why blame Off Topic? I'm a bit hesitant to believe accusations but taking into account other factors and how this situation has been handled I'm inclined to believe them. Stifling discussion about social/political topics doesn't stop stuff like this. Ever since Harvey Weinstein was exposed and a bunch of users were banned in that one thread I honestly became super suspect. Which led me to believe the rumors. If you had apologized and took steps to change for the better like all people should, I could respect that. But damn, I honestly don't know if I'll stick around like I used to. Good luck to those users looking for a new forum. Peace out y'all.
AgentLampshade
Member
I'm taking a step back from here.
Dirtyshubb
Member
It's been a crazy few days, one that never crossed my mind would happen and hit me harder than I thought possible for a simple forum.
I honestly don't know if I should be posting here but Gaf was a massive part of my life for the last 9 years and I feel I have earned my say.
Firstly, the accusations.
I won't say Evilore is guilty of the shower crime, I wasn't there so can't say with 100% certainty but I can comment on the things I do know.
From the historic examples brought up (revenge porn, ass grabbing, neither which I had heard about before), evilores story and his reaction to this incident I can confidently say he isn't a good person. I have always thought he came across as smug, adding these revelations just makes me think he is a former fat, unaware misogynist who lost all his weight and now has the confidence of a suddenly hot person who hasn't realised how toxic his opinions and actions to women are.
His reaction to this situation confirms this. Reading the way point article shows that the accuser wasn't vindictive and didn't want a witch hunt. He could have come out with the usual excuses men do (sorry, I have learned etc) and this could have easily mitigated the huge reaction we are now having.
But instead he was silent and then accused her of being mentally ill which is pretty horrendous. It screams of someone unwilling to take responsibility and either ignorant or unwilling to care about how this all makes him look. I honestly can't see gaf surviving with him still here, he has damaged this place and his continued presence does nothing but hurt gaf more.
Now Gaf as a whole.
Gaf has problems, we all know that. What I think though is that the problems aren't always what's brought up. For me, fat shaming was pretty much tolerated by most which always pissed me off since we are meant to be so progressive.
Body modifications and the workplace always brought out the Conservative views that it was horrible and you deserved to be stigmatised and discriminated against by employers.
The problems that the vast majority of Gaf haters bring up however don't actually exist for the most part.
Gaf isn't a hive mind. Yes you have big portions of vocal users all hold similar views on different subjects but this isn't indicative of everyone. Gaf is made up of what, 100k people? Certain subjects draw certain people, meaning you get different sub communities forming on different subjects. Not every poster posts in every thread, the vast majority only post in certain threads so you can't paint everyone with the same brush.
Gaf was also full of discussions. In every thread you had people disagreeing, arguing their points. The idea that this wasn't happening is ludicrous for anyone who actually visits gaf regularly.
Overall it is a very progressive forum, racism and sexism are never tolerated and it's made visiting this forum an easy choice over any other forum I know of.
Now to ask a question - why does gaf get blamed and accused of being so hostile?
The answer to this is simple, it happens in every popular online community. When you have so many people with so many different opinions you inevitably get confrontations and arguments over opinions. What made gaf better is that no one could get away with blatant bigotry. Of course when your on the top of the pile and hold a lot of influence it's gonna attract hate.
Because of the harsh punishments this means that you either get banned, change or Learn to hide your true opinions by coming into threads 'just asking questions' and 'I don't know the history but I'm commenting anyway'.
Taken at face value, judging from twitter you would think every ban was unjustified and gaf was nazi Germany crushing dissenters. But anyone who has been here long enough knows that most bans are justified.
I have never seen so many people spouting 'sjw', 'neofags', 'cuck' 'trannies' arguing prejudice is a good thing and sweeping generalisations of entire groups of people being paedophiles because of the actions of one person, then when reading the neogaf hate online.
This idea that Gaf doesn't let people have opinions is nearly solely driven by people who find themselves on the wrong side of the debate.
A dev that gaf shit on for lying or being scummy? it's gafs fault.
Someone banned for spouting bigotry? it's gafs fault.
Someone banned for having a consistent pattern of behaviour going into threads and making drive by, almost bigoted but technically not comments without ever arguing their point? Gafs fault.
Someone banned for being willfully ignorant of clear, concise points being made and continuing to be devil's advocate? Gafs fault.
Does this mean every ban was justified? Of course not, I'm sure some where unjust bans since mods are human and let feelings get in the way but over the 9 years on this forum I can't think of a ban I have seen that made me think 'wtf, they shouldn't have been banned for that!'.
But this idea that gaf just banned anyone who disagreed is ridiculous since not only are the vast majority of people complaining shining examples of what makes other online communities toxic but people disagreed all the time and didn't get banned because they were civil and argued their points across. Doesn't mean I agreed with their points but if they are civil and the opinions aren't discriminatory than that's their prerogative.
I just think that any justifiable problems with gaf are systematic of every large, online community and not a unique one you only find here. If other communities were as good at moderating racism, sexism, shit posting etc and as big as gaf was they would look exactly like us. It's the logical outcome of allowing discussions to take place between vast amounts of people from every part of the world without allowing bigotry to disrupt it constantly.
It feels like people hating on gaf are being disingenuous with their arguments and most are fueled by bitterness for being banned of blamed for having horrible opinions/actions. They are disingenuous in the idea that gaf needs more tolerance for open discussion because the only discussions I ever saw get shut down were ones based on bigotry and hate or going in circles.
I can honestly say Gaf has made me a better person. I have learned so much about tolerance, understanding, different cultures and opinions in my time here. My critical thinking and understanding of subjects has gotten much better and I feel I am a much more inclusive and understanding person as a result.
It's so sad to think that something that, while frustrating at times, had a massively positive impact on my life for nearly 10 years has suddenly gone in an instant and now seems destined to be tainted forever by the gleeful hate being attributed to it by outsiders in its wake.
Gafs legacy is better than that, but it seems inevitable that it will forever be known now as a cesspool, containment site for the Internets worst people who was run by a faux progressive, sexual assaulter.
This is the end of an era and one that I will never forget. Maybe things will get fixed here or things change but the chances are slim. I'm looking forward to the reset and new era
so maybe I will see you all there.
Gaf, it was hard at times but I will always remember my time here and you will honestly be missed.
I honestly don't know if I should be posting here but Gaf was a massive part of my life for the last 9 years and I feel I have earned my say.
Firstly, the accusations.
I won't say Evilore is guilty of the shower crime, I wasn't there so can't say with 100% certainty but I can comment on the things I do know.
From the historic examples brought up (revenge porn, ass grabbing, neither which I had heard about before), evilores story and his reaction to this incident I can confidently say he isn't a good person. I have always thought he came across as smug, adding these revelations just makes me think he is a former fat, unaware misogynist who lost all his weight and now has the confidence of a suddenly hot person who hasn't realised how toxic his opinions and actions to women are.
His reaction to this situation confirms this. Reading the way point article shows that the accuser wasn't vindictive and didn't want a witch hunt. He could have come out with the usual excuses men do (sorry, I have learned etc) and this could have easily mitigated the huge reaction we are now having.
But instead he was silent and then accused her of being mentally ill which is pretty horrendous. It screams of someone unwilling to take responsibility and either ignorant or unwilling to care about how this all makes him look. I honestly can't see gaf surviving with him still here, he has damaged this place and his continued presence does nothing but hurt gaf more.
Now Gaf as a whole.
Gaf has problems, we all know that. What I think though is that the problems aren't always what's brought up. For me, fat shaming was pretty much tolerated by most which always pissed me off since we are meant to be so progressive.
Body modifications and the workplace always brought out the Conservative views that it was horrible and you deserved to be stigmatised and discriminated against by employers.
The problems that the vast majority of Gaf haters bring up however don't actually exist for the most part.
Gaf isn't a hive mind. Yes you have big portions of vocal users all hold similar views on different subjects but this isn't indicative of everyone. Gaf is made up of what, 100k people? Certain subjects draw certain people, meaning you get different sub communities forming on different subjects. Not every poster posts in every thread, the vast majority only post in certain threads so you can't paint everyone with the same brush.
Gaf was also full of discussions. In every thread you had people disagreeing, arguing their points. The idea that this wasn't happening is ludicrous for anyone who actually visits gaf regularly.
Overall it is a very progressive forum, racism and sexism are never tolerated and it's made visiting this forum an easy choice over any other forum I know of.
Now to ask a question - why does gaf get blamed and accused of being so hostile?
The answer to this is simple, it happens in every popular online community. When you have so many people with so many different opinions you inevitably get confrontations and arguments over opinions. What made gaf better is that no one could get away with blatant bigotry. Of course when your on the top of the pile and hold a lot of influence it's gonna attract hate.
Because of the harsh punishments this means that you either get banned, change or Learn to hide your true opinions by coming into threads 'just asking questions' and 'I don't know the history but I'm commenting anyway'.
Taken at face value, judging from twitter you would think every ban was unjustified and gaf was nazi Germany crushing dissenters. But anyone who has been here long enough knows that most bans are justified.
I have never seen so many people spouting 'sjw', 'neofags', 'cuck' 'trannies' arguing prejudice is a good thing and sweeping generalisations of entire groups of people being paedophiles because of the actions of one person, then when reading the neogaf hate online.
This idea that Gaf doesn't let people have opinions is nearly solely driven by people who find themselves on the wrong side of the debate.
A dev that gaf shit on for lying or being scummy? it's gafs fault.
Someone banned for spouting bigotry? it's gafs fault.
Someone banned for having a consistent pattern of behaviour going into threads and making drive by, almost bigoted but technically not comments without ever arguing their point? Gafs fault.
Someone banned for being willfully ignorant of clear, concise points being made and continuing to be devil's advocate? Gafs fault.
Does this mean every ban was justified? Of course not, I'm sure some where unjust bans since mods are human and let feelings get in the way but over the 9 years on this forum I can't think of a ban I have seen that made me think 'wtf, they shouldn't have been banned for that!'.
But this idea that gaf just banned anyone who disagreed is ridiculous since not only are the vast majority of people complaining shining examples of what makes other online communities toxic but people disagreed all the time and didn't get banned because they were civil and argued their points across. Doesn't mean I agreed with their points but if they are civil and the opinions aren't discriminatory than that's their prerogative.
I just think that any justifiable problems with gaf are systematic of every large, online community and not a unique one you only find here. If other communities were as good at moderating racism, sexism, shit posting etc and as big as gaf was they would look exactly like us. It's the logical outcome of allowing discussions to take place between vast amounts of people from every part of the world without allowing bigotry to disrupt it constantly.
It feels like people hating on gaf are being disingenuous with their arguments and most are fueled by bitterness for being banned of blamed for having horrible opinions/actions. They are disingenuous in the idea that gaf needs more tolerance for open discussion because the only discussions I ever saw get shut down were ones based on bigotry and hate or going in circles.
I can honestly say Gaf has made me a better person. I have learned so much about tolerance, understanding, different cultures and opinions in my time here. My critical thinking and understanding of subjects has gotten much better and I feel I am a much more inclusive and understanding person as a result.
It's so sad to think that something that, while frustrating at times, had a massively positive impact on my life for nearly 10 years has suddenly gone in an instant and now seems destined to be tainted forever by the gleeful hate being attributed to it by outsiders in its wake.
Gafs legacy is better than that, but it seems inevitable that it will forever be known now as a cesspool, containment site for the Internets worst people who was run by a faux progressive, sexual assaulter.
This is the end of an era and one that I will never forget. Maybe things will get fixed here or things change but the chances are slim. I'm looking forward to the reset and new era
if you catch my drift 
Gaf, it was hard at times but I will always remember my time here and you will honestly be missed.
Buba Big Guns
Banned
Gaf is dead guys, or will never be the same at least.
The new forum has a large effort behind it with devs and prominent members all behind it. Pretty much most sub communities including sports, poligaf, tv etc are all migrating there.
The new forum has a large effort behind it with devs and prominent members all behind it. Pretty much most sub communities including sports, poligaf, tv etc are all migrating there.
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Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
I guess I should probably officially state that I am part of the group that resigned as a staff members on Saturday, since that fact is no longer obvious with the staff list being gone etc.
I want to thank every constructive voice around here for all the good times. I made a lot of good friends here, and I wish everyone good luck in their future endeavors on the internet.
Shoutout to SteamGAF, MarioKartGAF, SplatoonGAF and Europa Universalis IV GAF!
love,
robo
I want to thank every constructive voice around here for all the good times. I made a lot of good friends here, and I wish everyone good luck in their future endeavors on the internet.
Shoutout to SteamGAF, MarioKartGAF, SplatoonGAF and Europa Universalis IV GAF!
love,
robo
From Klepeks article -
The two continued to hang out, according to Leupp, because she attributed the incident to him "being drunk that one night." They talked about how what happened was "not okay," and he seemed receptive to the feedback.
"I had no reason not to trust him still," she said. "It was a creepy thing, but I tend to give people second chances. He had already invited me to go to E3."
Malka and Leupp did have consensual sex one time after the shower incident.
From what she described the two of them talked it over and went on to have sex.
LeroyPantwether
Member
It is just weird , I can't think of any other time one would asked to be banned from something/somewhere. How pathetic do you have to be that you can't stand by your own morals and must be banned ? Like , I didn't need to be banned from the Catholic Church , I just stopped going .
I just quoted two people who are claiming his channel was filled with alt-right shit before you made your post.
This is the first time I'm hearing of this and I can't find anything about this. Can you elaborate?
The WSJ stuff I'm aware of and he was made to look like a fool and admitted he messed up. I'm not arguing he's not a fool or whatever, I'm arguing the notion that he's somehow alt-right that some posters made because he wouldn't speak publicly against Jontron who he was financially indebted to. He should have, but he didn't and that doesn't mean he approves of what Jontron said.
Bounceounce
Member
I haven't used it at this point in time, precisely because of why you said (though I did use virtue signaling for the first time today), other than referencing that I was tempted to use it.
And there's no satisfying answer to why, I finally began to relate to the term and understand it's usage among more left-leaning folks, beyond it's usage as a blanket attack on anyone who cares about/acts on social injustice amongst certain right-leaning folks.
I saw a degredation in discourse/reasoning, and a hunger for any new person/agenda to attack for little more than a new dopamine rush, with a total lack of acknowledgement of nuance/human flaws, that could only be described by those terms.
I also just felt tired of policing my word usage to that extent solely because of how people who already disagree with me are going to feel, especially since there's no other internet community where I've held my tongue like that.
Exactly.
Just absurd.
(And no Fantano politics aren't my own, doesn't mean I can oppose some of the attacks on him and what they saw about wider cultural labels of people.)
it's funny that you would take the time to throw a little fit about leaving the site and then screech at those who "stick around". why not just leave the site instead of being so childish?
Long time members of the community are venting. I see no issues with such. Obviously the porn ones are awful.
ajim
Member
Thanks for the write up! Appreciate the openness.
To be honest, I was never one to get caught up in the politics of everything. I've been part of this community for a long time and will continue to support GAF as a gaming and off topic forum.
Just bring back the Dragon Ball Super thread please lol
To be honest, I was never one to get caught up in the politics of everything. I've been part of this community for a long time and will continue to support GAF as a gaming and off topic forum.
Just bring back the Dragon Ball Super thread please
lolTrue.
Agreed. Such a damn shame that people thinking the discussion of social issues and politics adversely affecting women and minority groups is somehow part of the problem. Must be convenient not having to wirry about things that don't affect said users. Gaf was a place with a few good eggs willing to acknowledge some if these views didn't give a damn about either group, but it seems to leave it based on the principle. We ignore women's stories of rape and sexual assault all too often.
Hiwever small the gesture is, at least it is saying something.
Perma ban me.
People like you are very much missing the point rught now, and its hard to elaborate how dissapointing that is.
Link
The Autumn Wind
Seems most of the ones asking are Junior Members to me.
You're for equal rights, LGBTQ, women's rights...so you celebrate the total ban on all those topics on this forum? Go video games.
Atom Heart Mother
Banned
The last point is completely false. He's debunked everything in that smear article -- Fantano isn't a racist or a bigot.
holy shit, this is all news to me.
I don't know how this place can go forward with Tyler still attached to this place.
Atom Heart Mother
Banned
It's been an open-secret kinda. Most have known his history but it wasn't really relevant to bring up.
Yes, but why find a common ground and look at yourself when you can just stick your head up your ass and call everyone wrong? I seriously hate the bandwagon against "both sides". Yeah, some sides are not good but it has permeated into every topic of discussion.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
This is what happens with no off topic!
We got people talking about hillary still holy shit lol.
I hope gaf turns more wild west.
Less moderation just kick the spamm cannons and those that spew insults.
Everything else fair game baby!
We got people talking about hillary still holy shit lol.
I hope gaf turns more wild west.
Less moderation just kick the spamm cannons and those that spew insults.
Everything else fair game baby!
Sunset Samurai
Member
🤔 make a statement? Gaf has thousands of members. Those from the "ban me!" Some has been coming from new gaffers, accounts that haven't been active in months. Now I'm not saying they shouldn't say how they feel about this ordeal, but knowing the mods etc are busy trying to rebuild it's easier to just you know "leave".
MontyBrown
Banned
I'm for the banning of those topics when it's not relevant to the topic, and the banning of the gang mentality of grouping up on and trying to get posters banned when their views aren't actually bad, just not quite in line with what a certain section of GAF thinks is unquestionably right.
It was like seeing cult members post with such dedication sometimes. Not healthy discourse.
The immature troll posts, sure? But all the former staff is gone, that alone speaks volumes as to why it happened. Same can be said about a lot of the senior well respected members, who have quietly stayed away.
Seraph_Nicholas
Member
Okay, fuck it. I've buttoned my lip around here for a while, guess I'll test the waters post-shakeup.
All of this mess is absolutely insane. Even in the absolute worst case scenario, we're talking about something that could only euphemistically be called sexual misconduct and moral weakness. Which has nothing to do with running a forum.
I don't care. About any of it. And it's stupid that one guy swinging and missing (Even if the timing of his swing was shit!) has led to this.
Apparently that makes me a dogshit human. Oh well! Maybe she really was so shaken up that even years after the fact she lies awake at night reliving her horror. Maybe she saw all her friends #metoo'ing and grabbed the worst experience of her life to share. Maybe she just wanted to take a shot at an ex using something crap he did once. Whatever the case is, it's totally irrelevant to me.
Thanks for doing this utterly thankless bullshit, GAF-staff one and all.
All of this mess is absolutely insane. Even in the absolute worst case scenario, we're talking about something that could only euphemistically be called sexual misconduct and moral weakness. Which has nothing to do with running a forum.
I don't care. About any of it. And it's stupid that one guy swinging and missing (Even if the timing of his swing was shit!) has led to this.
Apparently that makes me a dogshit human. Oh well! Maybe she really was so shaken up that even years after the fact she lies awake at night reliving her horror. Maybe she saw all her friends #metoo'ing and grabbed the worst experience of her life to share. Maybe she just wanted to take a shot at an ex using something crap he did once. Whatever the case is, it's totally irrelevant to me.
Thanks for doing this utterly thankless bullshit, GAF-staff one and all.
Yep, he explains what he meant here (it was the Yankees losing):
https://twitter.com/XboxQwik/status/922097678435041280
https://twitter.com/XboxQwik/status/922163443200700416
Link
The Autumn Wind
I agree the entire situation was handled extremely poorly. Hopefully, things get out back together in short order.
Did you make a thorough examination of the situation before you threw this take out there?
Muffin1611
Banned
So here we are.
Instead of issuing a fucking normal apology you proceed to public gaslighting and play armchair psychologist about the mental health of the person you harrassed. Followed by posters here coming out of the woodwork arguing "B-b-but they slept together at one point!" as if giving consent at one point retroactively makes harrassment suddenly consensual.
Next you feed us some bullshit about the mods leaving for a swath of made up reasons, instead of the truth that they want to distance themselves from you. It's no secret. They're open about it.
And the conclusion is: Lock OT. It's politics which is at fault. Keep politics out of our gaming discussion. Where did I hear that before?
Or to translate the code, "I'm tired of women, POC and lgbt having a space on here, especially the first one. Gives me only trouble."
Should have seen that one coming, honestly. Calling people believing women "a witch hunt" and taking that suggestion as direct attack at anyone who doesn't do the same in the ScreenJunkies thread was a fucking sad enough look. But now we know why: You were scared that the same would happen in your case. That an environment would form where women are believed, and you'd be found out.
Anti-Gamergate and pro-feminism my ass.
So, what does the future look like? I'll paint a quick picture: Anybody worth a damn is already leaving, and is building something where they don't have to obey the whims of a single owner, modteam included.
I came to GAF because of the people. I stayed for the communities. GermanGAF, Gafia, DragonballGAF, too many to count. It's good to know that all these are moving on, as well as single posters here who were always great contributors.
GAFs lifeblood is leaving, and this shell will probably quickly become just another gaming forum.
Thanks for the ban in advance.
Instead of issuing a fucking normal apology you proceed to public gaslighting and play armchair psychologist about the mental health of the person you harrassed. Followed by posters here coming out of the woodwork arguing "B-b-but they slept together at one point!" as if giving consent at one point retroactively makes harrassment suddenly consensual.
Next you feed us some bullshit about the mods leaving for a swath of made up reasons, instead of the truth that they want to distance themselves from you. It's no secret. They're open about it.
And the conclusion is: Lock OT. It's politics which is at fault. Keep politics out of our gaming discussion. Where did I hear that before?
Or to translate the code, "I'm tired of women, POC and lgbt having a space on here, especially the first one. Gives me only trouble."
Should have seen that one coming, honestly. Calling people believing women "a witch hunt" and taking that suggestion as direct attack at anyone who doesn't do the same in the ScreenJunkies thread was a fucking sad enough look. But now we know why: You were scared that the same would happen in your case. That an environment would form where women are believed, and you'd be found out.
Anti-Gamergate and pro-feminism my ass.
So, what does the future look like? I'll paint a quick picture: Anybody worth a damn is already leaving, and is building something where they don't have to obey the whims of a single owner, modteam included.
I came to GAF because of the people. I stayed for the communities. GermanGAF, Gafia, DragonballGAF, too many to count. It's good to know that all these are moving on, as well as single posters here who were always great contributors.
GAFs lifeblood is leaving, and this shell will probably quickly become just another gaming forum.
Thanks for the ban in advance.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Probably scrubbing their Netflix queue of Weinstein films too lol
Don't you realise the absurdity of your statement?
So now there's no political discussion whatsoever? What if it concerns a game, like Persona 5's garbage portrayal of queer people? Or an explicitly anti-feminist work like The Last Night? Are we no longer allowed to talk about the issues with those games?
I really wish my identity wasn't a matter of politics, but as long as there's people who want nothing but to hurt people like me it will be, and as long as they keep putting their views into media this will keep coming up.
I really wish my identity wasn't a matter of politics, but as long as there's people who want nothing but to hurt people like me it will be, and as long as they keep putting their views into media this will keep coming up.
Dunkelgrau
Member
So glad NeoGAF is back!
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