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[SaberEdge]

I wanted to give a quick example to further illustrate the point I was making about 'labels' in judging the quality of different lighting approaches.

Which of the games above has better lighting?

Assassin's Creed 4 uses a form of "global illumination", while Killzone Shadow Fall is using image based lighting with physically based rendering (which is basically the same setup as The Witcher 3 is using).

I know both games can look better and worse than the screenshots above, but having played through both games I think I was more impressed with the lighting in KZ Shadow Fall more often than the lighting in AC4 (although I loved the day-night cycle).

I hope this makes it clear that we can't judge the quality of a lighting system in a game simply by the label that is slapped on it.

 

[Gattsu25]

I wanted to give a quick example to further illustrate the point I was making about 'labels' in judging the quality of different lighting approaches.

Which of the games above has better lighting?

Assassin's Creed 4 uses a form of "global illumination", while Killzone Shadow Fall is using image based lighting with physically based rendering (which is basically the same setup as The Witcher 3 is using).

I know both games can look better and worse than the screenshots above, but having played through both games I think I was more impressed with the lighting in KZ Shadow Fall more often than the lighting in AC4 (although I loved the day-night cycle).

I hope this makes it clear that we can't judge the quality of a lighting system in a game simply by the label that is slapped on it.

Oh god.

Please change/remove the KZ image because the compression artifacts are stabbing me in the eyes.

 

[misho8723]

Yeah, but I thought they played on PC. Will there be console footage as well?

Well everyone Youtuber played the game on PC, so no.. atleast not from them

 

[Beeblebrox]

I was actually agreeing with you. I'm glad there will be options, because most of the HUD includes information I'd rather not see. I don't need text identifying an ogre with one eye as a cyclops, or any other superfluous info the HUD loves to provide. My level of enjoyment in a game like this depends very much the level of immersion I experience. So yeah, minimal info on screen is my preference.

Oh, I know, I was being sarcastic

 

[Lockjaw333]

Love these shots.

My only teeny tiny complaint is that the HUD is a bit intrusive. Would love an option to make the items smaller of remove some.


Looks amazing!

 

[SuperGamer]

All those games use precomputed global illumination to one degree or another. It doesn't work the binary way many people imagine, where global illumination is either "baked" or not baked. There are a lot of different techniques and implementations but they all currently use precomputed data in one form or another (i.e light probes etc.), as far as I'm aware. Perhaps The Tomorrow Children can be considered to be using a truly dynamic real-time global illumination.

In any case, it's not like a game that ostensibly has "global illumination" is automatically going to have better or more convincing lighting than a game without it. The HDR image based lighting with physically based properties in The Witcher 3 is looking really good, for example, and may look subjectively better than many games that purportedly use "global illumination".

As far as I know, the games that say they use dynamic real-time GI are using various fast-baking algorithms to approximate it, since actual dynamic real-time GI can usually only be done with much more powerful CGI-level hardware. The only exception to this might indeed be The Tomorrow Children.

Assassin's Creed 4 uses a form of "global illumination", while Killzone Shadow Fall is using image based lighting with physically based rendering (which is basically the same setup as The Witcher 3 is using).

I know both games can look better and worse than the screenshots above, but having played through both games I think I was more impressed with the lighting in KZ Shadow Fall more often than the lighting in AC4 (although I loved the day-night cycle).

I hope this makes it clear that we can't judge the quality of a lighting system in a game simply by the label that is slapped on it.

AC4 might use pre-baked GI, but it lacks physically based rendering. If a game is using physically based rendering, then that will enhance the lighting, whether it's HDR image based lighting or more advanced GI lighting. On the other hand, ACU uses pre-baked GI lighting with physically based rendering, and the lighting there clearly looks better than Killzone SF as a result.

Anyway, I can see your point. There are more factors that go into the lighting than just the lighting technique alone. Physically based rendering is another important factor as well. Basically: GI+PBR > IBL+PBR > GI > IBL.

 

[Beeblebrox]

Come on GAF, how come none of you haven't posted this yet?

 

[jett]

I hope I can achieve 60fps on my 280X while still looking good.

 

[firebranded]

Come on GAF, how come none of you haven't posted this yet?

I'm not worried about it at all, like I said before they did a fantastic job with W2 considering the hardware......but I don't want screen shots in this day and age. Video does it best for me.

BTW how would Kamiya know this? Just asking, I saw one from a CDPR dev saying next week for footage though.

 

[SuperGamer]

Come on GAF, how come none of you haven't posted this yet?

Kamiya is a Witcher 3 fan? Interesting.

Has he actually seen the PS4 screenshots though?

 

[Black Hat]

Kamiya is a Witcher 3 fan? Interesting.

Has he actually seen the PS4 screenshots though?

Obvious shop is obvious.

Look at the Witcher 3 ps4 text... lol

 

[Beeblebrox]

Oh come on, it's a classic Kamiya "next week" joke, and the first thing that came to mind after I saw that "next week" tweet from the Witcher 3 dev on the last page.

 

[His Majesty]

CD Projekt dev tweeted that next week some PS4 footage should surface though.

And next week the embargo for the youtubers is lifted, really interested in what they have to say.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Uh, that last pic is pretty wild. If I didn't know any better, I'd say Geralt was on a different planet.

They did say he would go to some pretty weird places. I'd say he was teleported to another planet?

 

[PFD]

Come on GAF, how come none of you haven't posted this yet?

It's fake. I think the original tweet was about Bayonetta 2

 

[Loakum]

Come on GAF, how come none of you haven't posted this yet?

edit: looks fake AF

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

I thought those games were both prebaked GI? ACU definitely does. I think Fable Legends is the only open world game with actual real time GI.

Fable uses the worst kind of dynamic GI solution called LPV which si restricted , limited and has many bugs and doesn't work for interiors that is why they added a mix of baked static GI (Lightmass) for it (the interiors) too !

 

[CadetMahoney]

this one looks like Geralt just delivered the punchline to a joke and it's just killed the other guy.

Probably a PS4 joke about a budget PC.

 

[firebranded]

edit: looks fake AF

Look above bud, Beeble said says as much.

 

[Jedi2016]

Here, I fixed it:

Ironically, it was more work to do it poorly than it would have been to do it right.

 

[SuperGamer]

Oh come on, it's a classic Kamiya "next week" joke, and the first thing that came to mind after I saw that "next week" tweet from the Witcher 3 dev on the last page.

Wait, were CD Projekt making a Kamiya-style joke with that "next week" comment? Or did they literally mean it?

 

[EatChildren]

They probably mean it, because next week the embargo drops for the YouTubers event, and they apparently got to see the console builds.

 

[misho8723]

They probably mean it, because next week the embargo drops for the YouTubers event, and they apparently got to see the console builds.

I don't know if the Youtubers are going to have any new info about the console versions, because they didn't mentioned anything about them in the videos or posts they released so far and all of them played the game on PC
But maybe Playstastion Poland is going to release some PS4 footage

 

[Black Hat]

I don't know if the Youtubers are going to habe any new info about the console versions, because they didn't mentioned anything about them in the videos or posts they released so far and all of them played the game on PC
But maybe Playstastion Poland is going to release some PS4 footage

Yeah, in all the videos/vlogs that I've seen they were on PC.

 

[Dictator93]

The screenshots look pretty good, but it's a bit of a let down that The Witcher 3 isn't using any global illumination, especially when games like Ryse, The Order 1886 and FFXV are using global illumination on weaker console hardware.

Pretty sure they are using some form of IBL global relighting. Otherwise... those shadows would be pitch black.

 

[MaLDo]

They did say he would go to some pretty weird places. I'd say he was teleported to another planet?

John Carter wannabe if you know what I mean.

 

[DOWN]

Looks great.
That hud though.. want to cram some other shit in there?

Seems like the further from the major publisher's studios you get, the less the devs know about minimalism and focus on a HUD.

I wanted to give a quick example to further illustrate the point I was making about 'labels' in judging the quality of different lighting approaches.

Which of the games above has better lighting?

Assassin's Creed 4 uses a form of "global illumination", while Killzone Shadow Fall is using image based lighting with physically based rendering (which is basically the same setup as The Witcher 3 is using).

I know both games can look better and worse than the screenshots above, but having played through both games I think I was more impressed with the lighting in KZ Shadow Fall more often than the lighting in AC4 (although I loved the day-night cycle).

I hope this makes it clear that we can't judge the quality of a lighting system in a game simply by the label that is slapped on it.

Keep in mind that "lower quality" can be people referring to the style and result displayed, regardless of how advanced the tech is. If it is used in a disappointing way, due to technique or otherwise, it can still be called bad or low quality for a number of reasons based on the visual cues.

 

[misho8723]

New screens:

 

[Dictator93]

Keep in mind that "lower quality" can be people referring to the style and result displayed, regardless of how advanced the tech is. If it is used in a disappointing way, due to technique or otherwise, it can still be called bad or low quality for a number of reasons based on the visual cues.

A lot of people also have learned cues that they react off of. People think cerpuscular rays look great, even though they are actually rather unrealistic in most games and far from being technically demanding or accurate.

The lack of aliasing in those above screens is reassuring. I am curious if that is the IQ of a 980 specced PC @ 60.

 

[EatChildren]

Gorgeous. I'll pop them in the op.

Quoted in particular has me giddy. Game is looking so fucking good.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

New screens:

As I said in the other thread, this is probably our first ultra settings screenshot.

The hair looks much better than in other pics.

 

[Quotient]

I just noticed the clock in the screen (top right). It seems a little out of place, considering that time probably wasn't tracked to that degree of accuracy in that period.

 

[RoboPlato]

That Griffon shot is the first time I've noticed motion blur in this game since the initial reveal footage.

 

[Älg]

As I said in the other thread, this is probably our first ultra settings screenshot.

The hair looks much better than in other pics.

That could just be hairworks that is activated.

 

[erawsd]

I just noticed the clock in the screen (top right). It seems a little out of place, considering that time probably wasn't tracked to that degree of accuracy in that period.

Yeah, its one of those those things thats just there for our benefit since time of day has some influence over monsters, npcs, quests, ect.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

That Griffon shot is the first time I've noticed motion blur in this game since the initial reveal footage.

was thinking the same, hopefully it is an advance motion blur ala cryengine and less like what they had in W2.

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

As I said in the other thread, this is probably our first ultra settings screenshot.

The hair looks much better than in other pics.

Hair can be just Hairwork in action. But what I like is the lighting. So much depth and natural.

Soooogoooood.gif

 

[viveks86]

What's that 2d overlay on the left? The armor with the 2 swords on either side?

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

What's that 2d overlay on the left? The armor with the 2 swords on either side?

Gear durability is my guess.

 

[erawsd]

What's that 2d overlay on the left? The armor with the 2 swords on either side?

Equipment durability warning. His sword is broken.

 

[viveks86]

Gear durability is my guess.

Equipment durability warning. His sword is broken.

Thanks!

 

[HeelPower]

Equipment durability warning. His sword is broken.

It looks really weird though..

Its like its pointing to a direction you need to go..idk

 

[Sou Da]

Equipment durability warning. His sword is broken.

Thought that was some indicator on whether you want Geralt to swing on his left or right side for horse combat.

 

[BigTnaples]

New screens:

That last shot looks fantastic.

The way light/shadow hits the foliage looks more in line with the VGX trailer and Nvidia Demo.

This gives me hope.

 

[Thorgal]

I wonder how my 780 ti Clasified is gonna handle this game ...

I do not mind swithing some effects down a notch but that Fur tech is one thing i do not want to give up on .

 

[notoccupanther]

Anyone heard / any ideas as to how a 280X will perform?

 

[erawsd]

It looks really weird though..

Its like its pointing to a direction you need to go..idk

Thought that was some indicator on whether you want Geralt to swing on his left or right side for horse combat.

I'm sure that its durability. It looks very similar to the icon used in WoW.

 

[JaseC]

Eh, looks okay.

 

[shinobi602]

New screens:

This will be where all my ploughing gets done.

 

[wenis]

really hope we can hide the UI. first time seeing it and I'm not really into it. Looks too rigid and "hey here are your stats!"