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The Wonderful 101: Kamiya "focus on fun, not length..." [Update: Inaba comments]
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Karsticles
Member
A good idea.
Lightning Lord
Banned
Are we seriously using Kingdom Hearts as an example for how long a game should be?
My point still stands.
Love the man, love his games. But I sure wouldn't want to be his boss!
Femmeworth
Banned
I like to imagine Inaba's interactions with Kamiya to be very sitcom-esque, otherwise I don't see how he doesn't die from stress due to incidents like this.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
It occurs to me that the reason you didn't see as many complaints about length over the DMC games, Ninja Gaiden, or Viewtiful Joe is because they were less generous with checkpoints and lives. If Platinum's games stopped giving you infinite lives and checkpoints after every single enemy encounter (and I guess if the in-game timers worked differently), I think people would feel differently about the length of their games, although that might scare a lot of people off.
I understand your point, but I think this is a lot more common than you think. I have a friend who considers Bayonetta the best game ever released on the 360, but he only ever gave it a single playthrough. I'm sure there are actually a lot of people on GAF who did the same thing, including the people who popped into this thread just to say that they'll only pick this game up once it hits the bargain bin or whatever.
I've been laughing at this post for the last ten minutes.
I understand your point, but I think this is a lot more common than you think. I have a friend who considers Bayonetta the best game ever released on the 360, but he only ever gave it a single playthrough. I'm sure there are actually a lot of people on GAF who did the same thing, including the people who popped into this thread just to say that they'll only pick this game up once it hits the bargain bin or whatever.
I've been laughing at this post for the last ten minutes.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
Well, I certainly wish he had taken this approach with Okami. I get embarrassed when I hear gamers seriously equate length with value. You'd think in an era full of obnoxious filler and content bloat people would learn to appreciate something tightly knit and easy to replay, but instead we get brilliant analysis about how the game should cost half price because it has a different design philosophy.
Net_Wrecker
Member
I'm sure the game will end up being longer than people think (Bayonetta keeps getting mentioned, but that game was 10-12 hours for a lot of first playthroughs) and there will be a bunch of content + replayability. Kamiya's never let me down in terms of getting my money's worth.
JUST. GIMME. A. RELEASE. DATE.
JUST. GIMME. A. RELEASE. DATE.
thesolidshark
Member
When they focus on length as one defining factor for their enjoyment. All I ask is Kamiya ships stopwatches with W101 to reviewers to avoid misunderstandings.
So much this. But what's even worse is people that'll complain on an action game review saying "this game shouldn't have gotten 9/10, it's only 7 hours long! That's bullshit.". smh
You guys don't know the pain that Cave fans such as myself go through in threads about their games.
The next time I see "aren't these games like 30 minutes long they should be $5 on xbla" I am going to fucking flip out.
DMC4 was only long-ish because you repeated the game with another character (which the game was not designed for...). I'd much rather have Capcom focus more on just having one character in the game.
Also, even though I absolutely LOVE Kingdom Hearts, it's not quite comparable to the kind of action games Kamiya/Platinum Games make.
Sometimes I wonder if Inaba feels like he's running a Kindergarten.
With me around, he probably is.
Yeah it was really long-ish: it still lasted less than 10 hours. Did that matter? Fuck no, I spend 150 hours on that game.
Yes, because they are fun, and technically action games.
So yes, your criteria is pointless.
Its an action game, it will be held to the same standard.
I am not saying it has to be some 40+ hour epic.
But if I can GCN Wario Ware that thing, we are going to have a problem.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Every single shmup thread, man. Every single one. Famous IGN review of Gigawing 2 comes to my mind.
Nothing1016
Member
Quality over quantity. I'll pay full price for any game that is worth my time and is actually fun. If I can tell the developer put effort into making a great game, then I'll award them with my $60+ in cash whether the game is 30 mins or 300 hours long.
fabricated backlash
Member
I'd rather have a short but insanely focused game that offers tons of replayabilty and trims the fat at every corner than a needlessly bloated snorefest that blows it's creative load in the first few hours and then pads the content out over several hours to create the illusion of value.
Actually, you could compare Kamijas games there: W101-Okami.
Actually, you could compare Kamijas games there: W101-Okami.
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Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
Is this controversial? Sounds awesome.
StreetsAhead
Member
"We decided to make this game as fun as possible, instead of as long as possible" and naturally people freak out and assume it'll be over in two hours or less. Such a shame.
<3 this game
<3 this game
If only more people thought this way.
That is assuming it actually turns out to be a quality product for as long as it lasts. A bad 5 hour game is still bad.
Long games made sense when people had limited access to games. Now people have hundreds or thousands of games available to them for free and or dirt cheap. The quantity tank is all filled up, it's the quality tank that's getting low.
That is assuming it actually turns out to be a quality product for as long as it lasts. A bad 5 hour game is still bad.
Long games made sense when people had limited access to games. Now people have hundreds or thousands of games available to them for free and or dirt cheap. The quantity tank is all filled up, it's the quality tank that's getting low.
There is no problem here except your warped sense of value.
Femmeworth
Banned
You're lucky I'm nice.How about $15?
I don't empathize with you, but I understand the frustration.
They should be $150 minimum, getting them for regular full price is a great bargain!
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Despite the comment we don't know how long tw101 actually is.
AcceptableGhost
Member
I would assume probably as long as every other action games he has been involved in...
It'll be long enough. A single playthrough will take less than 10 hours (it's an action game), and if the game is good, I don't think it should make a difference whether it's 6 hours long or 9.
I have played games that are good and and because of that I have standard.
When did this become a new thing?Or do you just mindlessly run around like fry throwing money at things.
Oh, don't worry... That isn't going to stop ANYBODY... Lol.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
indeed. Even more than that, I'd love it if games emphasized discovering hidden layers with each replay as the norm. Would go a long way to sustaining their value.
I'm one of those people. Bayonneta was good but not good enough to play twice. I've got way to many games to play to spend my time on a game I've already beaten. Especially if it's to get a better score that I care zero about.
Why would you do that?
Member
Considering that Sin and Punishment 2 was one of the top games this gen and was also a full priced short game with tons and tons of awesome action, I very much welcome Kamiya's approach with games.
Assuming he's not lying and is in just damage control mode and trying to be as honest as possible to fix this situation I feel better about the game now. Its also a good example of why Kamiya's twitter privileges should be revoked as it's not a good means of communicating full thoughts. Situations like this one result.
My gaming funds are limited. I just don't want to end up regretting my purchase because of a game's length in the end.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Right now we don't even know if 101 has more than one level at this point lol
This whole thing is just Kamiya's personal views on twitter being taken out of context I think.(again)
I don't think they're ready to tell us anything more about the game. Just the way Kamiya phrased his tweet caused some people to jump to conclusions
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I think there's a double standard. I'd love to see the reaction if Namco released Pac-Man Championship for $50 or Sony released Super Stardust for $50.
I'd bet that some of those defending Wonderful 101's price tag would balk.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah I think that's probably the most common case in gaf.
Not even just towards action games. I think gaf as a whole tends to prefer single player, story driven games that put most of their focus on their initial playthrough or crafting an experience for the player.(If you look at the types of games that win GOTY, the concept of clearing backlogs by completing games and moving onto the next etc)
So I'm not surprised to see the "dollar per hour" value mentality be so commonplace on the site because it makes sense for the type of games that are most popular or neogaf. but that doesn't make it any less stupid and I think it should be challenged. Especially when it's applied to games with a design philosophy that kind of scale doesn't work for. (Arcade games. Action games. Multiplayer games.)
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The hilarious outbursts followed by Inaba cleaning up the mess is just one of many reasons I love Platinum.
fabricated backlash
Member
Put's a human face on the company in an industry filled with boring accountant types that could as well be replaced by AI-generated press releases.
I wouldn't. CE is one of the best games this gen and easily worth full price.
