More_Badass
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Patience, patience! I'm getting there. Only on chapter 2 ATM. Trust me, that LTTP will definitely be happening
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This year changed my perspective on Japanese games
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as someone who started gaming on a nintendo platform and has owned all of those, i don't recommend getting a wii u. at least not as the one to start. if you're looking for a botw machine, i think a switch is better considering it's going to get more stuff going forward, and should legitimately provide a good alternate experience for indie games.
if you seek out a wii u, i think the best part about it is the backwards compatibility with wii. although in that case, you'd be better off getting a wii since most are backwards compatible with gamecube. wii u is probably the cheapest it's ever going to be at this point. you need a gamepad (tablet controller) for it to function and there are only 6m in the us. with the system being region locked, it means there will be a dwindling supply as time goes on, and right now people are more eager to offload them because of the switch.
More_Badass
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Cost is the main issue. I never buy consoles near release, usually 3 or 4 years later. Like I didn't get a PS3 till 2009 and only got my PS4 last year.
But BoTW sooner than later is tempting. It sounds like a proper action adventure with the design sensibilities of an immersive sim.
There was a time period around the start of PS3 where Japanese devs weren't technically as solid western devs. But that was a combination of the game industry in Japan which was stagnating at the time and also western devs pouring in more money into their games. When you have 500 devs working on the latest Assasins Creed game versus 50 people working on say a Dynasty Warriors game you're going to get some compromises. Then you had people like Phil Fish calling out Japanese games which was just straight up embarrassing because he seems to have missed the qualities that many other people saw.
But they've definitely gaining a lot of momentum right now, I mean the games were always there but the gap has been narrowed technically significantly. Things like Dark Souls III are huge games. Yakuza has found a way to be competitive as a large game by building on each one before it, (even if sales are low). Aside from the huge AAA games like Spider-Man, God of War, I think Japanese games are holding their own.
But they've definitely gaining a lot of momentum right now, I mean the games were always there but the gap has been narrowed technically significantly. Things like Dark Souls III are huge games. Yakuza has found a way to be competitive as a large game by building on each one before it, (even if sales are low). Aside from the huge AAA games like Spider-Man, God of War, I think Japanese games are holding their own.
i guess there are units out there (used of course) that are under $200. you probably would be lucky to find one in the wild since they're discontinued.
if you did get a wii u, i recommend nabbing a wii remote and nunchuck so you can play some of the better wii games. super mario galaxy 1 and 2 are on the machine's virtual console and sin & punishment 2 is up there as well. there's also a good variety of classic games on the wii u's and wii's virtual consoles, including chrono trigger, earthbound, the minish cap, mario 64, majora's mask, etc.
I just got my PS4 this year, so I haven't been able to play many games, but I played Yakuza 0 and Persona 5. Yakuza 0 is straight up one of my favorite games ever now, its just amazing.
I'm not too far into Persona 5, just got past the first palace. So far, its excellent. I've never beaten a JRPG, but Persona 5 has definitely grabbed my attention pretty well. I plan on getting Nier after I beat Persona.
I'm not too far into Persona 5, just got past the first palace. So far, its excellent. I've never beaten a JRPG, but Persona 5 has definitely grabbed my attention pretty well. I plan on getting Nier after I beat Persona.
More_Badass
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Yakuza 0 does dark gripping crime thriller and fun/weird/wacky side missions, and somehow both make sense tonally and character-wise. I don't know what black magic is going on to make it ride that line so perfectly, but it's impressive
Grim Patron
Member
Fam...the next chapter will make you do the LTTP for sure. It was when i knew Y0 is the real deal.
clarknova156
Member
Really has been a great year for Japanese games. In fact they owned it. I hope more years like this are coming soon but this year will be considered a classic I think when we look back.
thiscoldblack
Unconfirmed Member
Japanese games in the west are in full force this year. I'm really glad about that.
I wouldn't get a Wii U, it's expensive for what it is and with so many titles getting a Switch release the number of must haves on Wii U keep diminishing.
At least get a Switch when the price is right for you. I don't think you'd save that much money in the long run getting a Wii U.
You all have no idea how happy I am that people are finally discovering this series.
Can't wait for those LTTP threads.
Dangansona
Member
I feel so blessed by these Japanese games. I always enjoy gaming and find something good to play, but my experience with Japanese games in the last 3 years have been a highlight for sure.
I'm playing Gravity Rush ( Vita ) atm and my it's such a charmer.
The presentation, the character and best of all, its ost.
Discovery of Gravitation
A Red Apple Fell From The Sky
so good, just so good.
I'm playing Persona 4 and Gravity Rush atm and I vastly preferred Gravity Rush ost.
The presentation, the character and best of all, its ost.
Discovery of Gravitation
A Red Apple Fell From The Sky
so good, just so good.
I'm playing Persona 4 and Gravity Rush atm and I vastly preferred Gravity Rush ost.
I think this game's ost is among my top 5 favorite.
Unknown language + female vocals = my cup of tea.
Probably explains so much of why I fucks with Nier's OST as well lol
Rapscallion
Member
Between Persona 5 and Breath of the Wild, this has been the best year for gaming in a long time.
Still have other great titles to play: Tales of Besteria, Mario Odyssey, Sonic Mania, Ni No Kuni 2, Xenoblade 2, Gravity Rush 2, Splatoon 2.
Still have other great titles to play: Tales of Besteria, Mario Odyssey, Sonic Mania, Ni No Kuni 2, Xenoblade 2, Gravity Rush 2, Splatoon 2.
Mass Effect
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Japanese games have been great this year. In fact, the majority of what I'll be playing all this year is or will be Japanese games. I don't think I've played this many since the PS2 era.
Why wouldn't they? Most of them are made in Japan by a Japanese company, so...
unless we're talking about their western studios like Retro, then I would say probably not.
Why wouldn't they? Most of them are made in Japan by a Japanese company, so...
unless we're talking about their western studios like Retro, then I would say probably not.
If you like Ys VIII then don't sleep on Tokyo Xanadu eX+ as that game runs beautifully on 60 FPS.
I finished the remastered to completion (ok, aside from that stupid "put out the fire" side mission), and it was a rollercoaster of high points and frustrating lows.
I excused it for two reasons: It was a handheld port; it was the first time they were implementing an admittedly very unique traversal mechanic.
With GR2 they fixed some things, definitely polished the controls (stasis is now almost over powered, instead of completely useless) but it's still missing things a lock on, that would make the game all that smoother to control.
Beside that, the bigger scope of the game does indeed mean that everything feels bloated and stretched too thin.
Their design approach to missions feels archaic (defeat wave after wave of uninteresting enemies! then read text off a stone tablet!) and in general are always dragged on to the breaking point.
It's emblematic that it takes more than one hour to exit the ugly start area.
But... the characters and the world are so damn lovable and charming, that it keeps you playing through the slog, and of course the gravity mechanic itself, though certainly not refined, is still a very interesting one, exhilarating at times.
Still, as you say, they masked a very mediocre game under very good art direction.
GR2 feel more polished and grand, but also bloated to the point where some of the design flaws became all the more evident.
The treasure hunts are the only parts of the game i enjoyed top to bottom, probably because they don't ask too much of the control system.
Charlouie Jonesman
Banned
I'm really looking forward to this. I loved the game in theory, but the technical issues on PS3 did it's best to bring my enjoyment down.
I know about the PC port but on my PC it would run even worse.
I mean, for most people who enjoy japanese games (myself included), the quality of japanese games as a whole never dropped, it only migrated go handhelds, so I think it's fair to include Nintendo.
I think the thread is more about learning to appreciate the difference in approach that japanese games have regarding tone and game design rather than celebrate their comeback to the home console space anyway, and Nintendo are a great example of that.
DangerMouse
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Yep!
And so much more still coming the rest of the year.
Agreed, so much fun.
Agreed, it's getting a bit buried under more greatness but this was a great game too.
D4rth Man7iz
Member
Resident Evil 7 should get more love around here!
Oh and get EDF 4.1 people! Half price on Steam right now.
Oh and get EDF 4.1 people! Half price on Steam right now.
I think they outsourced the writing to the same person who wrote Spec Ops: The Line, which is hysterical if true.
UnluckyKate
Member
Gravity Rush 2 bored me to death. I gave up halfway I think.
Need to play Nier : Automata next.
But Yakuza 0 was the best in the series imo. Persona 5 was stellar. Nioh was godsent.
I wish japan would wake up for good.
Need to play Nier : Automata next.
But Yakuza 0 was the best in the series imo. Persona 5 was stellar. Nioh was godsent.
I wish japan would wake up for good.
Tizoc
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He has a pc so he cpuld still play it on his rig ;3
Unfortunately I don't have a PS4, it'll be the Vita version with all its flaws for me!
Yeah Resi7 and Nioh especially have NOTHING derivative about them!
I loved both games a lot, but damn is this nonsense annoying to read.
Switch is going to get you BotW and whatever holds for the future of Nintendo's stationary and portable lines of support. We don't know about Switch VC.
Wii U gets you access to BotW (which seems central to your Nintendo interest), Wii U, Wii, (GCN, modded), and VC games.
Neither gets you access to 3DS/DS. There are some GBA VC games.
Depending on Switch VC (if/when that happens), Wii U could be rendered various levels of redundant but it does have a LOT to offer someone who's never had a Nintendo.
A thing to remember though is that a healthy chunk of quality third party support for Nintendo is on their handhelds. Switch will inherit that.
Wii U gets you access to BotW (which seems central to your Nintendo interest), Wii U, Wii, (GCN, modded), and VC games.
Neither gets you access to 3DS/DS. There are some GBA VC games.
Depending on Switch VC (if/when that happens), Wii U could be rendered various levels of redundant but it does have a LOT to offer someone who's never had a Nintendo.
A thing to remember though is that a healthy chunk of quality third party support for Nintendo is on their handhelds. Switch will inherit that.
TeamLeftMatch
Member
Wait was the giant mec pic from EDF? I could've thought that EDF was a game about giant bug aliens invading earth, which is what turned me off from it.
More_Badass
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That's only the start. Things only get more insane from there, with even more giant bug aliens mixed in
I have a mediocre two year old laptop
So yeah, waiting for PS4. I had played it a bit on PS3, but not much
McMoneyman
Member
2016 and 2017 have been great for Japanese games, especially on PS4. Loving it and hoping for more in the coming years.
zombieshavebrains
I have not used cocaine
I have similar thoughts. Japanese Single player games (Dark Souls/Final Fantasy/Platinum games)> Western ones. But Western Multiplayer games (Valve/Blizzard/Borderlands/GTA)> Japanese ones.
Japanese still act like they don't know what the internet or a PC is.
Japanese still act like they don't know what the internet or a PC is.
It's false. The writing and scenario is still mostly CAPCOM internal, as is true for all official Biohazard products. Richard Pearsey was hired as 'narrative consultant/designer', though what that entails is not clear.
There's no black magic at all, they just jump from one tone to the other without giving a single fuck. If you just play the story missions and ignore all the side content it's a serious (though not exactly realistic) crime drama, if you add the side missions it gets a lot sillier and you tend to take the main story less seriously, which helps because there's a lot of absurd stuff in there.
Tokyo Xanadu eX+ will also be on PC if that's an option.
Dragon's Dogma runs on MT Framework and MT Framework runs on toastersI have a mediocre two year old laptop
So yeah, waiting for PS4. I had played it a bit on PS3, but not much
It could run well on your laptop. But PS4 is probably still less of a gamble.
More_Badass
Member
Nah, it's more than that. So far, they're consistently good at matching those sillier situation with Kiryu's personality in a way that it makes sense why a guy like him would actually participate and help people out. Not giving a single fuck would have been simpler, see the dissonance of Michael or Franklin doing side missions in GTA compared to their personalities in the campaign and story missions.
BouncyFrag
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Persona 5 changed everything. That ending with that music is a top gaming moment for me. Incredible. I've never been into party based jrpgs and mostly play western games. I've now played through P4G and P3 FES in succession. I haven't even gotten into Yakuza 0 or Nier. On a whim I got a refurbished PS Vita and am blown away by this platform. Happy gamer is happy.
Yeah, side quests in 0 are fantastic because the way they're integrated feels like no matter how silly they are, you can picture Kazuma (and Majima) getting sidetracked by them and they actually add a lot to their characters because their personalities remain consistent with what you see of them in the main story.
That's because Kiryu is basically Yakuza Jesus so it kinda makes sense that he wants to help everyone (him being in the Yakuza makes a lot less sense but whatever). It feels more forced with Majima, and obviously a lot more forced in GTA because in GTA everyone is an asshole. But GTA is a big parody so it doesn't really need to follow certain rules for its characters.
Charlouie Jonesman
Banned
The best tonal shift in the Yakuza series is the over the top violence paired with the Tom & Jerry-like consequences. Everyone's fine after the brawl and enemies always apologize.