Dictator93
Member
Valve plus relic is bad because then relic would have to use source engine. Ewww
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THQ in default with Wells Fargo over $50 million credit facility
Valve plus relic is bad because then relic would have to use source engine. Ewww
Paladin CL
Member
They dont own Warhammer but they are currenly making good Warhammer games. Take AD&D for example, someone did great games with that license, Baldurs Gate, Ice Wind Dale, Planescape, Neverwinter Nights ,etc . Now other hands have the license and they been sucking for a while now.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Does this stuff mean that Darksiders II for Wii U may not even ship next week?
I'd think they have it printed and copies boxed at this point @_@
I'd think they have it printed and copies boxed at this point @_@
a secret-boss
Banned
They r Midway there
Sentenza
Member
I'm not sure that's a given, but then again looking at DOTA 2 I'm not exactly disgusted at the idea.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I'm pretty sure it'll ship, since it should be ready to go out the door by now. I doubt there'll ever be a Darksiders III though.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
They will be taken over by the bank and the assets will be sold off in bits to make up for any losses. I expect that the Saints Row IP will fetch a fancy figure...
gamergirly
Member
HocusPocus
Member
Come on Microsoft. Here's your chance to get some better 1st party support. You're about the only publisher that works in this space that has that kind of capital and the audience for the games (PC and Console). Valve would be another potential. I honestly just want Saints Row 4. 
This.... I haven't bought a WWE game since the N64 days.
Sentenza
Member
Honestly as a PC gamer I wold prefer even infamous companies like EA and Activision to platform owners like Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo.
On the other hand, someone suggested Square Enix. I would be fine with that, judging how they handled their multiplatform games so far.
Servbot #42
Unconfirmed Member
Man THQ is in bad shape, seems their only way out now is for them to be sold to some other publisher. The latest bomcast mentioned square as a possible buyer which seems as something that could happen.
No one will buy thq as a whole, it wouldn't make sense.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
The Metro IP is owned by Dmitry Glukhovsky, who wrote the book it's adapted from. He and 4A can likely just find a new publisher if THQ goes down. He's also in talks for a film adaptation.
SteveWinwood
Member
Why not? Get it for dirt cheap, work something out with the bank, gut the shit out of it, ???, profit.
It's much cheaper and easier to wait for it to go under and buy the ips or talent alone, without all the debt and extra baggage.
I meant the rights to the game IP and it's technology (for now), but you're right; it shouldn't be a problem in the future because the actual IP is owned by Glukhovsky.
THQ has $100 million in debt due in 2014 than any potential buyer would have to pay off. That's quite the deterrent.
Prophet Steve
Member
You don't "work something out" if there are many millions of debt.
ChosenPredator
Banned
Same I think the last one I played had brock on the cover or the rock I can't remember and of course the RAW one on xbox I think all I know is I want a different developer to get a stab at it. (I also know they will probably limit the amount of CAW creation and probably have less modes like usual when a new developer creates a franchise game from the beginning)
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I just hope the IPs go with the studios associated with them (Vigil with Darksiders, Relic with COH/Homeworld, Volition with Saints Row/Red Faction). Would be a shame to have them split up.
I'm not 100%, but I believe 4A mostly self funded 2033, THQ funded 2034/LL. I'd imagine 4A holds a larger stake in this than the usual developer/publisher relationship, but I'm sure THQ would still need to be "paid out" for their part by any new publisher.
Or wait for them to go bankrupt, and get any IP or workers that are available after the fact.
Oh, I wasn't sure which is why asked, but that should be better situation for 4A if THQ goes under than if Metro and all their tech was owned by THQ.
Syphon Filter
Member
if they die will CoH 2 never happen?!
Shorty11857
Member
Plus there's large parts of THQ that would be useless to other publishers, I'd say their 4 studios (they have 4 now right?) could all be sold fairly easily to publishers though
I'd imagine Relic could be sold fairly easily if they're profitable, would be a good fit for Sega
shaowebb
Member
Im just gonna call this one early...EA will pick up the WWE license once these guys fold. They already went in on the UFC license and with the Fight Night editor I could see create a character being worth something in terms of making good looking characters. The problem is will they get that wrestling is about 3 stage movement which is
THQ has been animating the whole damned move for everything and it ends up creating a lot of canned and redundant counters (if any). The truth is every tie up has a list of counters depending on your style For Example:
Hammerlock tie up would be countered by shooters with a squat and pull of the opponents leg to trip them while a technician would likely counter it into a top wrist lock
... and at any stage of the move there is a counter for each part you go through. Shooters counter more at the tie up, technicians more during the lift (along with power and brawler types), and luchas tend to counter a lot during the drop and sometimes during the lift. On top of that each type of wrestler counters differently in any of those than the others and if you made the game a long string of position based sequences each new positions has its own tree of possible counters on it for each wrestler style. Its all really organized and easy to manage this way.
If they do each move as a 3 stage set it means the move can be countered differently at any stage and honestly mash and hope for counters is BS. It should be a stamina burn or meter burn option to make it a risk reward sentiment. There are a lot of factors that need to be involved to create an accurate wrestling game experience thats fast, technical, and new every time you play it and NONE of them have been addressed due to THQ phoning it in on the license for over a decade. Plus if moves are designed in 3 stages we can FINALLY get a real create a move option as we could choose our setup position, the lift or drop style, and our landing style on any move. What we have now is create a spot because stringing together multiple moves is a highspot and NOT a finisher. Create a submission is a whole other beast to come up with later on.
Im done ranting on wrestling games I guess. Its just I am a major fan of wrestling games since the old No Mercy days were so good to me in High School and since I was a wrestler at one point. Heaven help me if I ever get the chance I want to work on a wrestling game in some point in my career.
- the tie up position
- the lift or dropping movement
- the fall positions
THQ has been animating the whole damned move for everything and it ends up creating a lot of canned and redundant counters (if any). The truth is every tie up has a list of counters depending on your style For Example:
Hammerlock tie up would be countered by shooters with a squat and pull of the opponents leg to trip them while a technician would likely counter it into a top wrist lock
... and at any stage of the move there is a counter for each part you go through. Shooters counter more at the tie up, technicians more during the lift (along with power and brawler types), and luchas tend to counter a lot during the drop and sometimes during the lift. On top of that each type of wrestler counters differently in any of those than the others and if you made the game a long string of position based sequences each new positions has its own tree of possible counters on it for each wrestler style. Its all really organized and easy to manage this way.
If they do each move as a 3 stage set it means the move can be countered differently at any stage and honestly mash and hope for counters is BS. It should be a stamina burn or meter burn option to make it a risk reward sentiment. There are a lot of factors that need to be involved to create an accurate wrestling game experience thats fast, technical, and new every time you play it and NONE of them have been addressed due to THQ phoning it in on the license for over a decade. Plus if moves are designed in 3 stages we can FINALLY get a real create a move option as we could choose our setup position, the lift or drop style, and our landing style on any move. What we have now is create a spot because stringing together multiple moves is a highspot and NOT a finisher. Create a submission is a whole other beast to come up with later on.
Im done ranting on wrestling games I guess. Its just I am a major fan of wrestling games since the old No Mercy days were so good to me in High School and since I was a wrestler at one point. Heaven help me if I ever get the chance I want to work on a wrestling game in some point in my career.
Delusibeta
Banned
If I was a bookmaker, I'll give evens on CoH 2 getting canned in the event of THQ declaring bankruptcy before its release.
Shorty11857
Member
CoH 2 will get released, Relic might be closed the second it goes Gold but the game is too close to release to not get picked up by someone else if THQ goes bankrupt
Baron_Calamity
Member
THQ does not own Yukes. There is a good chance that the WWE games will go to a new publisher but keep the same developer.
Terrifying prospect.
Seems like an extreme example of why multiplatform =/= inherently the best option. It's great to hit as many as you can, but sometimes there just isn't ANYONE there, nevermind the compromises you may need to make (this is usually in reverse though). Though I guess if the pad were more universal and came out the same time it'd be a relative non-issue instead.
Heart Attack
Member
I think WB will buy the Saints Row and Darksiders IP's.
Bad games, bad business decisions, too many licensed games.
Ah well here's to South Park/Obsidian getting to work with a better and more stable publisher.
snowdog1971
Banned
I think the only THQ game guaranteed so far is Darksiders 2 for the U. Anything else is up in the air at the moment I reckon.
I'd say it's only a matter of time before they go under and the developers and IPs are available to the highest bidders. I still say it would be a wise idea for Nintendo to buy the publisher. They could probably buy the publisher, developers and IPs in one go for 30-50m, they'd need to pay off 100m worth of debts but would gain all of their studios, IPs (including those currently in development) and distribution channels in the West.
And tying some valuable IPs and licencing deals in the process including WWE, Company of Heroes, Red Faction, South Park, Metro, Darksiders and Saints Row. Should be worth spending 150m imo, particularly to get those IPs exclusive to Nintendo platforms.
Company of Heroes, Darksiders, Red Faction and Metro are not super valuable IPs. COH is a PC centric game with no potential on consoles, Darksiders 2 bombed, Red Faction died with Armageddon both at retail and with critics and Metro barely sold 1.5 mil during it's lifetime.
Those are not high value franchises.
someguyinahat
Member
It's not like they could do a worse job than THQ at this point.
metalslimer
Member
How is anyone going to bring THQ into profitability? The problem is that there is no guarantee that those IPs will cover all that debt and the buyout. The IPs also lose a lot of their value being on one platform. If Nintendo does get involved it will be to try and get a specific IP.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Delusibeta
Banned
Can I ask then, why are Activision, of all people, still in this market?
Because between Skylanders, Call of Duty and Blizzard, they have enough wonga that they can basically do whatever they want.
Keyser Soze
Member
I hope someone picks up Full Spectrum Warrior out of all this mess...
That is the most important!
That is the most important!
bigboss370
Member
Saints Row and South Park must be saved!