DeepEnigma
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as amazing as the demo is, 1440p and 30fps isn't a good advertisement for next gen on any console
So what's your issue? I thought it was about resolution and framerate?
as amazing as the demo is, 1440p and 30fps isn't a good advertisement for next gen on any console
Those "many" shouldn't even be taken seriously.and yet there was so many on here lambasting that the next assassins creed gonna be 30fps. if anything I would expect to see more 60fps at the start of a gen as most graphics engines will not push the hardware to its fullest, later in the gen is where I would expect more cutbacks
Xbox fan journalist...That's a journalists interpretation
I also have the same, lots of games with diff frame rates and performance.Those "many" shouldn't even be taken seriously.
There will always be devs that'll push visuals and tech to the point of having to settle for 30fps. It isn't something new.
You might have a point though. Based on Pro anr XSX, I also expect a lot games offering different modes (visuals vs performance).
So what's your issue? I thought it was about resolution and framerate?
again ur twisting what I said, as a demo for next gen both 1080p and 1440p isn’t a great advertisement
People acting like Tim's new tweet is justification of their "it can run on XBOX theory" really blow my mind. Sony's point wasn't about a tflop argument it was about showcasing tech and making a marketing splash for PS5. They trended globally off the back of that demo. And when I say globally, I mean in every country with a gaming audience. Across Europe, Asia, Latin America, North America etc etc etc
It doesn't matter if they, or what they paid, it worked. It elevated their weaker console and pushed it to the forefront in terms of gaming interest.
Finding solace in a tweet with 9K likes and 1K replies is a sad situation. Arguing about the demo and how it runs on XBOX is semantics.
People are simply not ready for Sony's marketing onslaught. If you think the demo was bad just wait for Acti to showcase 2020 COD with zero mention of XBOX and a lot of talk about the SSD and how it benefits PS4 COD players. Right now Sony is like.
Chinese dev on demo:
SSD bandwidth utilization isn't as high as people are saying. Decent SSD is all that's required.
again ur twisting what I said, as a demo for next gen both 1080p and 1440p isn’t a great advertisement
Let's see you try and spin this somehow lol. It's safe to assume the same or higher quality was used for that notebook demo. This is great news for everyone. Hopefully we get a demo to play around with on the epic games store soon!Interesting.
They said which level of detail they got with that notebook? How many triangles generated?
I did not twist, I asked a question or two because I misunderstood.
I think people also need to move away from the old mentality that resolution is end all be all. They showed better IQ than the majority of 4K games out there, with by far the highest level of detail.
There are far better ways to achieve higher end results with reconstruction techniques and push more assets. 4K isn't even mainstream pinnacle in the brute force realm on the PC, that sweet spot still belongs to 1440p monitor setups and will for quite some time.
I would rather have them push IQ balls to the wall with crazy assets, effects and details, than a resource hog check box of 4K, especially when dynamic reconstruction techniques are near discernible now.
Resolution wasn't the purpose of the demo. Billions of streamed polys at lossless CG movie assets were. And I will take it all day every day.
Resoloution will always be king where it can be done. No good having amazing assists if they are in a lower resoloution is it?
I mean I can view films at 1080p and it looks great but I can view it at 4k and everything is much clearer even though its
Spin what? I stay on facts.Let's see you try and spin this somehow lol. It's safe to assume the same or higher quality was used for that notebook demo. This is great news for everyone. Hopefully we get a demo to play around with on the epic games store soon!
I agree to an extend, but most would have never known that was 1440p unless they told you. That IQ was divine.
now when you mention most people play at 1440p on pc yeah fair enough but these consoles designed for the living room and 4k TVs.
I honestly think that demo on both the PS5 and XSX can be done exactly how it was with same asserts and speed at higher res.
I think it was a quickly put together demo to show off what can be done. I think in terms of res and FPS it was poorly optimised for what the consoles can do. It’s not like there was an amazing amount of things going on is there? No AI to compute either.
the demo was impressive for sure but there will be a ton more these consoles can . Obvs PC will go even futher eventualy
I think a few of the techs did say with more optimizations they could up the rez and framerate. They are still targeting 60 and I believe they said it was capped but ran in the 40s+ uncapped. This is very early on for it. Either way, I like what I am seeing.
The 40+fps was quoted to be running on a laptop as matter a fact. Would love if they have as many graphical settings to mess with as in Gears tactics.Yeah and as they have said this will run an all consoles and will run on high end pcs currantly
Hey look on the bright side, this UE5 demo at least brought PS fans back into the main forum, from out of the SSD thread, i mean the Next Gen thread. I thought we had lost them until thes demo released.Maybe now Xbox fans can come out of defcon 1
People acting like Tim's new tweet is justification of their "it can run on XBOX theory" really blow my mind. Sony's point wasn't about a tflop argument it was about showcasing tech and making a marketing splash for PS5. They trended globally off the back of that demo. And when I say globally, I mean in every country with a gaming audience. Across Europe, Asia, Latin America, North America etc etc etc
It doesn't matter if they, or what they paid, it worked. It elevated their weaker console and pushed it to the forefront in terms of gaming interest.
Finding solace in a tweet with 9K likes and 1K replies is a sad situation. Arguing about the demo and how it runs on XBOX is semantics.
People are simply not ready for Sony's marketing onslaught. If you think the demo was bad just wait for Acti to showcase 2020 COD with zero mention of XBOX and a lot of talk about the SSD and how it benefits PS4 COD players. Right now Sony is like.
I'd rather have 4kCB/1440p with improved graphical fidelity than native 4k.Resoloution will always be king where it can be done. No good having amazing assists if they are in a lower resoloution is it?
I mean I can view films at 1080p and it looks great but I can view it at 4k and everything is much clearer even though its
Chinese dev on demo:
SSD bandwidth utilization isn't as high as people are saying. Decent SSD is all that's required.
I said that too. But of course, I'm a fake developer that doesn't have a clue because what I say downplays the signature "secret sauce" SSD.
I know what you mean.I said that too. But of course, I'm a fake developer that doesn't have a clue because what I say downplays the signature "secret sauce" SSD.
Although i havent seen any Xbox fanboys say the PS5 is super weak, i do agree with your post though. Thats just the nature of fanboyism.Xbox fans upset about this talking about PS5 and not Xbox Series X have to realize how this would have played out in reverse.
For months now, many have been painting the Series X as the all-powerful machine and the PS5 as being super weak, barely counting as a new gen. 12 TF was called godlike and 10.2 was called pathetic and weak.
So if this had been demoed on Series X, you can bet people would be saying it couldn't possibly be done on the "weak" PS5.
This proves the hardware will likely be very comparable - both being huge leaps forward with slight different strengths and weaknesses. It will come down to the games, as always.
Literally nobody cares about that demo being possible on Xbox except for Xbox fans.
Killed what? He's referring to the engines features in general... not to how they were used in the tech demo.
And Timmys:
60fps is still on the table
PS4 CPU wasnt much faster than PS3 CELL CPU, so I wasnt expecting miracles back then.Remember when Sony said all PS4 games would run at 60 fps?
Chinese dev on demo:
SSD bandwidth utilization isn't as high as people are saying. Decent SSD is all that's required.
I'm sure it's a tasty treat for him, but lets not forget China is not a place of reliable information .D DoctaThompson vindicated?
Yeah, I'm willing to admit that native 4k can be a huge waste of resources after seeing this. Or at least that there are other factors that can improve the overall IQ immensely, which I personally preferI will trade native 4k for performance or more stuff on screen every day of the week. Upscaling solutions are godsent and terms like faux 4k are crazy talk.
Because that's technically correct, isn't it? They demoed it on PS5 and PS5 hardware made it possible.I’m sorry but I have to ask, if this is true then why was the same vague quote from IGN posted over and over and over again, bend waved around as some holy script that the UE5 demo was only possible on PS5? There were at least a couple people pretty interested in believing the XsX (or PC) can’t run the demo who don’t seem to be “Xbox fans” (as you put it).
I’m not saying it’s not okay to think like that, I’m not saying it’s not okay to post those kind of quotes and speculate. I’m just saying let’s not pretend it was only coming from one direction.
case in point:
Looks like D DoctaThompson vindicated? I think he was telling us this from the beginning
I want my vindication first. How many times have I gone into great detail about how some of these subsystems work and get the cold shoulder or trolled. Even after all of my info on PS5 and Sony plans only to still be flamed.
I don't know.People think I push the PC narrative but what I'm really doing is using the PC as an agnostic piece of hardware as a base point by which all other comparisons can be made. People need to stop trying to defend their hardware of choice and adopt a "it's all about the games" mentality.
SSD bandwidth utilization isn't as high as people are saying. Decent SSD is all that's required.
Remember when Sony said all PS4 games would run at 60 fps?
Oh, nobody cared about 1080p30 for the Minecraft ray tracing demo. It was even called a GAME CHANGER by DF.So what's your issue? I thought it was about resolution and framerate?
That doesn't say that everyone PS4 game WILL be 1080p/60 FPS on PS4...
Try again with your anti-PlayStation crusade.
That doesn't say that everyone PS4 game WILL be 1080p/60 FPS on PS4...
Try again with your anti-PlayStation crusade.
Oh, nobody cared about 1080p30 for the Minecraft ray tracing demo. It was even called a GAME CHANGER by DF.
They said it would focus on 60 fps, like they do now. It's 2013 all over again, and we have all forgotten it. Well almost anyone. And those who can remember are running an "anti Playstation crusade" because they can remember broken promises.
That 1440p 30FPS demo was pulling out 20M polygons, so if Epic optimizes the rendering to get closer to promised 1 polygon/pixel they can free up A LOT of performance, theoretically even 4K60 should be doable (8-9M polys). But we are still at least 3 years away until we get the first games utilizing UE5 anyway.
I want my vindication first. How many times have I gone into great detail about how some of these subsystems work and get the cold shoulder or trolled. Even after all of my info on PS5 and Sony plans only to still be flamed.
I had one developer come in here and educate me on how the details of the Nanite works. But none corrected me on misinformation about it being the sole reason that demo was done on the PS5 because it's SSD was the crowning jewel.
People think I push the PC narrative but what I'm really doing is using the PC as an agnostic piece of hardware as a base point by which all other comparisons can be made. People need to stop trying to defend their hardware of choice and adopt a "it's all about the games" mentality.
You're literally making crap up here. Nowhere did Sony promise 60 FPS. They may have mentioned that about certain games or a possibility for PS4 games.
Guess who else mentions 60 FPS for their console? Phil Spencer. And a lot more than Sony ever has. Phil's been mentioning 60+ FOS in regards to Series X. Well, guess what? We just saw the first big title, AC Valhalla already say it will be 30 FPS. Does that make Microsoft a liar and Phil breaking promises?
Here you go. It's nothing but buzz words from both Microsoft and Sony. Games wants both 60 and good graphics, but screenshots are easier to sell.
The difference between you and me are you are defending a console manufacturer, while I defend none and flak both.
Like hell. You know your history. You've got the tag to prove it.
And you're not addressing the quotes of yours I'm calling out. You are bringing up other stuff.
Again show me where SONY promised all PS4 games would be 60 FPS. So far you've linked a quote from a no-name third-party developer and even that quote doesn't say what you claimed.