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TLOU Remastered: 30 fps option gives better shadow quality [Up: Comparison GIF in OP]
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Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It was not like that always on PS3. Most of the shadows cast by trees and stuff looked really bad on PS3, and are far better looking on PS4/60 mode. That particular screen I do like how the shadow blurs on PS3 though, but that's more of an exception than anything.
In this case, I have to agree. I appreciate 60fps, but not when it comes at the expense
of visuals like it did in this port. You simply cannot unsee shoddy aspects of a game
when you notice them and this game has several (even in the 30fps mode!).
It's true, I would have preferred if the shadows didn't contrast as much as they did.
Softer shadows would have been easier on the eyes, and would have hid the blocky
mess in the 60fps mode.
WHOAguitarninja
Member
AO is still in. The radius has been dramatically shrunk, however (which is good. It was too big before). Their object space indirect occlusion trick they introduced in TLOU (wasn't in the Uncharted games, which used a purely image space AO) is one of its most important graphical effects, and its definitely still there.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Thanks for confrming this. I thought that was probably the best thing about TLOU tech on PS3, and couldn't stop being impressed by it.
Summer Haze
Banned
True, but the same could be applied when going from 30fps, to 60fps, then trying to go back again. Once you experience that buttery smooth framerate, I imagine it would be pretty hard for some (most?) people to go back. You also have to take into account the fact that the shadows aren't all lower quality at 60fps. I guess you just have to decide if you want 60fps with "shoddy" shadows some of the time, or half the framerate all of the time (which affects gameplay and looks jittery in comparison) for the sharper shadows.
Hooray for options.
Doctor Hades
Member
Destiny Beta (with frame pacing fixed) and Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag are two locked 30 FPS games that I've thoroughly enjoyed recently without ever thinking to myself that I wish the game had ran at 60 FPS. I own a high-end PC too. 30 FPS is only an issue for me if the game has frame pacing issues and/or dips below 30 FPS to what I would call "unplayable" framerates, e.g. Thief, otherwise I'm perfectly fine with 30 FPS for console games. 60 FPS is better, obviously, but I'd generally take a locked framerate over an erratic one that is 30 FPS one second and 60 FPS the next.
That said, I want to experience TLOU at 60 FPS simply because the PS4 version can run at that framerate. I may try the 30 FPS lock too and even replay the game at that framerate as I'm absolutely confident that it would not bother me. However, the game runs above 45 FPS all the time from what I've read and that is the sweet spot for me for a playable 60 FPS experience so that is how I will be playing it for my first run through.
Maybe it really is preference, but for myself....I can't go back from 60 FPS. To me the benefit of 60 FPS outweighs graphics for the most part. I'm not gonna look around and be like "omg those shadows in the corner look awful!". What will stop me from playing a game is terrible FPS. Game play just feels too smooth and crisp at 60 FPS.
Finally homeI like how at the options screen (30/60 switch) you can notice the difference between fluidity vs shadows (curtains)... Quite clever from ND. I'll try both and we'll see how it goes. Great that we have a choice.
It looks like your perception has changed quite a bit in the last 3 hours.
Golly gee, I wonder what happened!
What do you think happened?
constantstatic
Member
The game looks great at 60fps I assume people complaining about shadows haven't actually played the game yet. I see zero reason to lock it to 30fps at this point shadows looked fine in the first hour I played.
Pathetic trolling? Some of you guys/ girls are unbelievable. LoL!!!
Anyway, ignoring trolls (see what I did there Artorias) there's some funky things happening with shadows at the very beginning of the game (both 60 and 30 / are we ok to post screens? )
To go back to the topic, after playing for a bit there's no denying the sweet effect of fluidity at 60fps. Some shadows are jagged for sure, but I'm yet to encounter "the chainsaw" effect of some of the gifs posted here...again I'm at the very beginning of the game. We'll see how it goes.
Well done the best way
EL CUCO
Member
Until you've tasted the juicy goodness that you're missing out on, you'll never know
So i've played through the first 2 hours so far. And I must say that I was still not sure which FPS option I was going to choose even right before starting my play through. I started with the default (60), everything looks and feels great. Shadows look fine. They look like shadows. I switch to 30 fps about an hour in with a good section showcasing some shadows and I must say that there really isn't much of a difference. And then... I move. I walked around with joel and holy shit. The fluidity and even the crisp clean look of things is completely gone. I now honestly can say that this is one of those cases where if it wasn't for threads like these I wouldn't even notice or pay much attention to things like the slight difference in shadows (I know there are cases where its way more noticeable but, I feel these may be rare occurrences) or even that LOD problem with the flashlight and things looking lower res when not pointing directly at it.
There is no going back to 30 once I played with 60. The game just didn't feel right anymore. Nor in my opinion did it look as crisp and as good as before (with 60). Naughty Dog put 60 as default for a reason and I believe they were right in doing so. 60 fps honestly feels like the highlight of this Remaster.
There is no going back to 30 once I played with 60. The game just didn't feel right anymore. Nor in my opinion did it look as crisp and as good as before (with 60). Naughty Dog put 60 as default for a reason and I believe they were right in doing so. 60 fps honestly feels like the highlight of this Remaster.
Summer Haze
Banned
The first hour is dark. Wait until you arrive in the well lit areas.
Summer Haze
Banned
Finally home
What's your verdict then? Is that buttery smooth framerate too good to pass up, or did you decide to lock it at 30? I'm eager to know
Windom Earle
Member
Good to see console gamers finally seeing the light.
This game will do a great job showcasing the beauty of 60fps.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I like this. More games should have this option.
Now that I've played the game for two hours, it's easy to see that 60fps > better shadows.
I don't know how much they plan to support this game via patches but I can see ND coming out with a 60fps shadow patch now that the game is out. Even then, it's not that big of a deal...it's only really noticeable if you are looking for it.
I don't know how much they plan to support this game via patches but I can see ND coming out with a 60fps shadow patch now that the game is out. Even then, it's not that big of a deal...it's only really noticeable if you are looking for it.
megabytecr
Member
Please, if you are from ND, get out NOW!! You will thank me later.
I am in no way a graphical master, but wow, people miss some basic stuff. This is annoying.
1. a game tailored for a PS3 engine (and you know PS3 was some serious custom architecture), was ported to run in PS4 (pc based x86 architecture very different from said PS3)
2. said game is probably one of the best looking games on the PS3 next to Uncharted 3, so you bet there was a lot of PS3 optimization there.
3. now this applys to any computational HW: if shit runs at 60fps, shit needs resources to do 60fps properly and probably has to cut some graphical effects to achieve it, if shit has the option to run at 30, shit probably gets what was sacrificed for 60fps back and maybe add some other shit. Basic stuff, if sometime in your life you were a PC gamer you would understand this. Most PC gamers without a $3000 rig have to alter the settings in games to achieve a smooth 60fps.
4. I think it is a big mistake to use a Remaster game from a previous very different console to set the graphical capabilities of a new console, specially when you have Infamous SS and KZ SF already released.
This is just trolling at this point.
I love 60fps and I love MK8, even with aliasing, in motion looks great. Cannot wait for this game @60.
I am in no way a graphical master, but wow, people miss some basic stuff. This is annoying.
1. a game tailored for a PS3 engine (and you know PS3 was some serious custom architecture), was ported to run in PS4 (pc based x86 architecture very different from said PS3)
2. said game is probably one of the best looking games on the PS3 next to Uncharted 3, so you bet there was a lot of PS3 optimization there.
3. now this applys to any computational HW: if shit runs at 60fps, shit needs resources to do 60fps properly and probably has to cut some graphical effects to achieve it, if shit has the option to run at 30, shit probably gets what was sacrificed for 60fps back and maybe add some other shit. Basic stuff, if sometime in your life you were a PC gamer you would understand this. Most PC gamers without a $3000 rig have to alter the settings in games to achieve a smooth 60fps.
4. I think it is a big mistake to use a Remaster game from a previous very different console to set the graphical capabilities of a new console, specially when you have Infamous SS and KZ SF already released.
This is just trolling at this point.
I love 60fps and I love MK8, even with aliasing, in motion looks great. Cannot wait for this game @60.
As annoying as you wereWhat's your verdict then? Is that buttery smooth framerate too good to pass up, or did you decide to lock it at 30? I'm eager to know
... you were also right. Still not 100% happy about the shadows but by god there's no going back to 30 now.
Q
qizah
Unconfirmed Member
I bought the game today.
After work I'm going to go home and play the game at 60fps. I don't care about shadows, nor do I plan to sit there and analyze every bit of the game's visuals, because I'm not a loser. I bought the game because I want to play it.
After work I'm going to go home and play the game at 60fps. I don't care about shadows, nor do I plan to sit there and analyze every bit of the game's visuals, because I'm not a loser. I bought the game because I want to play it.
60fps makes me
Wow. Played through the intro again and then was
Yeah, I'm only renting this to check out the improved visuals and the DLC. Game is too gut-wrenching for me to play through more than once.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Banana Aeon
Member
I think so. I was playing earlier, and realtime shadows looked great, but the baked ones looked kinda fuzzy.
Thanks, Wishmaster92.
Hmm I will probably go with 60FPS when I get the game, better shadow quality isn't that amazing.
Of course I may be waiting a long while to buy the game.
The 30fps shadows are factually better...I mean ND even said they were better in the patch notes for 1.01. They are not THAT much better though and in certain instances, the difference is negligible. This shouldn't really be an issue considering how consistently the game hits 60fps. It's no contest which is the better way to play. I put it on 30fps just to see the improved shadows and one quick pan of the camera had me going into the pause menu to set it back to off with the quickness.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Enhancement applies to some shadows, not all. IMO, it's the kind of thing that's completely meaningless while playing, and only really noticeable if you stop close to some wall and start observing a shadow specifically.
LumpOfCole
Member
The shadows in this instance SHOULD be softer anyway, unless the Sun is 3 feet behind the tree.
Wishmaster92
Member
Still playing in 60fps but i wish ND could make a patch optimizing or smoothing out the shadows in 60fps.
Still playing in 60fps but i wish ND could make a patch optimizing or smoothing out the shadows in 60fps.
Not every shadow looks that bad and I don't even remember the shadows looking that bad during that part...I should boot it up to that part and see. 0_o
Loaded the game with 30 FPS enabled for this one and switched to 60 FPS on the fly to get both screenshots.
30 FPS
60 FPS
Re-loaded the game with 60 FPS enabled and switched to 30 FPS.
30 FPS
60 FPS
For some reason the game looks way more jaggy for me than it does in the screenshots I've seen from other people. These are direct screenshots from a capture card too (Elgato Game Capture HD). No doubt I've got something messed up on my end somehow lol.
For the record you'd have to pay me to play in 30 FPS mode over 60 FPS mode. I don't even notice the shadow difference while I'm playing since I don't blankly stare at lamp posts or fire escapes all the time but I can feel the 60 frames a second when playing at all times.
30 FPS
60 FPS
Re-loaded the game with 60 FPS enabled and switched to 30 FPS.
30 FPS
60 FPS
For some reason the game looks way more jaggy for me than it does in the screenshots I've seen from other people. These are direct screenshots from a capture card too (Elgato Game Capture HD). No doubt I've got something messed up on my end somehow lol.
For the record you'd have to pay me to play in 30 FPS mode over 60 FPS mode. I don't even notice the shadow difference while I'm playing since I don't blankly stare at lamp posts or fire escapes all the time but I can feel the 60 frames a second when playing at all times.
Windom Earle
Member
Scoot McNairy
Member
What if ND didn't mention the difference in shadows? Would we have noticed? Would we HELL.