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Tom Hardy to star in Sony's 'Venom', Ruben Fleischer (Zombieland) to direct
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KonradLaw
Member
Poor Logan Marshall Green. He finally got a real standout role and those bastards at Cinemax don't want to renew the damn Quarry
What, Bane was great.
From Marvel Axis, where villains and heroes had their moral "axises" flipped.
Carange became a good guy
During AXIS, Cletus/Carnage is affected by the Inversion which makes good characters bad and bad characters good. So instead of being a bad violent sociopath serial-killer, he becomes a violent sociopath serial-killer that is constantly struggling with the whole doing good thing because he's a violent sociopath serial-killer.
That's him sacrificing himself to stop a gene bomb set up by the X-Men that would kill all humans in its radius.
EDIT: Beaten by the old man himself.
Spider-Man 1 and 2 are considered great to excellent films.
The Amazing Spider-Man received reviews that are in-line with Captain America, Iron Man 2, Ant Man, etc. So how was it not a good film if those MCU films are considered good? Was it in the upper echelon of comic book films? No. But it was pretty well received as a good movie.
It's like you all forget Elektra, Daredevil, Catwoman, X3, Wolverine, Thor 2, Ghost Rider, et al when you think about bad superhero movies.
SapphiCine
Member
It's simultaneously the worst, best, and only comic book adaptation he has been in.
Laplasakos
Member
Wow that's great news! Do we have any details about the story? Please let Carnage be in it.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
The choice of director makes me incredibly leary. And I say that as someone who enjoyed Zombieland. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
Thor 2 was better than Spider-Man 2.
The Artisan
Member
why is venom part of a new universe? i thought sony realized by now that no one wants a spiderman universe separate from the mcu,
why isn't venom in the mcu?
why isn't venom in the mcu?
Wanda/Wander
Member
One step closer to the Carnage Aunt May movie.
Nothing stops this train.
Nothing stops this train.
If they're really going for a hard R for Venom, then it makes perfect sense for this not to be attached to the kid friendly MCU Spidey
Don't know the big deal is
This meme has officially spiraled out of control
Don't know the big deal is
This meme has officially spiraled out of control
The Artisan
Member
but what is a god to a nonbeliever?
Vampfox
Banned
Don't care.
It's just another bad attempt by Sony to make a Spider-Man film universe. Only this time it's a Spider-Man film universe without Spider-Man in it.
It's gonna suck.
Sony should just try and get Raimi, Tobey Maguire, and Kirsten Dunst back and make a Renew Your Vows Spider-Man movie.
It's just another bad attempt by Sony to make a Spider-Man film universe. Only this time it's a Spider-Man film universe without Spider-Man in it.
It's gonna suck.
Sony should just try and get Raimi, Tobey Maguire, and Kirsten Dunst back and make a Renew Your Vows Spider-Man movie.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
If they are smart they will use more or less Flash Thompson origin but make the character Eddie brock
peanutbutterlatte
Member
... yes because that would be way better. That wouldn't suck at all.
CaviarMeths
Member
I'm cool with this. Sony can put their trash-tier villains in the non-MCU movies.
Yeah, he normally does well in the roles he's in for movies.
Jampsuliini
Member
Sooo... I'm a bit confused. So Sony made a deal with Disney that allows Disney to use Spider-Man in the MCU. If they are building their own extended universe starting with Venom, does it connect to the Homecoming Spider-Man, Amazing Spider-Man or a new Sony Spider-Man? Can't keep my Peter Parkers straight...
poodaddy
Member
That sounds like an horrifically terrible idea. Have you seen Spider Man 3?
Venom will be part of a separate slate of films that use characters from the Spider-Man universe that will be completely unconnected to the MCU.
However..., there's no situation where these spin-off films won't be feature Spider-Man, either Holland's, removed from the MCU, or another.
Pretty much.
Now they have numerous superfluous Spider-Man spin-offs and an animated film rolling off the shovel to look forward to.
darkhunger
Member
Probably a deal breaker for Sony.
People need to realize Spider-Man is Sony's only film franchise worth a shit now that Bond is gone. They are going to do the (non)Spidey-verse regardless of whether people like it or not.
Vampfox
Banned
Yeah and it's over hated. Most of the problems with SM3 were not Raimi's fault.
Also ASM 2 is a way worst film.
trash-tier move
Sony forced Raimi to use Venom.
They didn't force him to have Peter Parker dance around in two awkward scenes, retcon Uncle Ben's death so that it randomly involved Sandman, insert a terrible amnesia plot or have Harry's butler save the day.
From Marvel Axis, where villains and heroes had their moral "axises" flipped.
Carange became a good guy
god that run was dumb but so fun.
Vampfox
Banned
Have you read Renew Your Vows cause it's the best Spider-Man book on the market since Marvel made the mistake to get rid of Spider-Man's marriage to Mary Jane, and would make a great movie.
CrimsonSquall
Member
"It doeshhn't maahhtaa who weee ahhh. What matttas ish ahhh plahhhn"
Well, I guess it depends: how much did you love Gangster Squad?
poodaddy
Member
This. Look I loved Raimi's earlier work; I legitimately believe he has a talent for crafting hilariously stupid characters that somehow manage to be loveable, but I don't want him anywhere near Spider-Man anymore. Spider-Man 3 is not over hated, the movie is an abysmal insult to the series and the IP in general.
Also for those wining about cinematic universe b.s., who really gives a shit? The X Men cinematic universe was pure ass yet Logan turned out to be the best film out of not only Fox's catalogue of Marvel flicks but also Marvel's very own cinematic universe. It stands head and shoulders above them because it didn't try to squeeze into the constraints of a pre made universe; it was just a damn good movie and that's all it was trying to be. Venom could turn out great while having less than nothing to do with any cinematic universe, it all just depends on how the director handles it.
Sure, it could turn out to be terrible, but if it does it won't have anything to do with Venom being a bad character or not fitting into a universe properly; it will purely be because the director shit the bed, which I'm hoping he doesn't.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
The more I think about it, the more I just want an Agent Venom film based on Remender's run. It was so good.
You had a great protagonist in the broken and down-on-his-luck Flash:
Disabled war veteran turned alcoholic turned super-powered spy turned extra-terrestrial horror. Black ops missions for the government. Struggling with an inner darkness stemming from a lifetime of abuse, alcoholism, horrific PTSD.
You have dark government conspiracies and messed up criminal conspiracies, a good cast of supporting characters (nerdy tech guy, blind general gambling on Flash, the mysterious criminal 'Crime Master', Betty Brant, Flash's love interest that's tired of his shit, oh and Peter, his friend with his own secrets). The first half is a cool espionage film, the second is a fucking gory and fucked up horror film as the symbiote loses its shit while Flash comes across long-buries government secrets, including a failed attempt at bonding a symbiote to a human host (TOXIN)
And you have an easy set up for two sequels!
The second one could be "The Savage Six/The Crime Master" where Flash is tasked with hunting down and eliminating a criminal syndicate that kidnapped a senator's daughter, that subsequently hits back when it targets his family. The main villain would be The Crime Master and his cronies, Jack O'Lantern and The Savage Six
I really wish I could find those amazing final pages between Venom and Jack online, but it's one of the best moments in comics in the last few years that I read.
You had a great protagonist in the broken and down-on-his-luck Flash:
Disabled war veteran turned alcoholic turned super-powered spy turned extra-terrestrial horror. Black ops missions for the government. Struggling with an inner darkness stemming from a lifetime of abuse, alcoholism, horrific PTSD.
You have dark government conspiracies and messed up criminal conspiracies, a good cast of supporting characters (nerdy tech guy, blind general gambling on Flash, the mysterious criminal 'Crime Master', Betty Brant, Flash's love interest that's tired of his shit, oh and Peter, his friend with his own secrets). The first half is a cool espionage film, the second is a fucking gory and fucked up horror film as the symbiote loses its shit while Flash comes across long-buries government secrets, including a failed attempt at bonding a symbiote to a human host (TOXIN)
And you have an easy set up for two sequels!
The second one could be "The Savage Six/The Crime Master" where Flash is tasked with hunting down and eliminating a criminal syndicate that kidnapped a senator's daughter, that subsequently hits back when it targets his family. The main villain would be The Crime Master and his cronies, Jack O'Lantern and The Savage Six
And then a final film, where the primary villain is Jack O'Lantern, a childish, completely absurd and evil lunatic that declares that he will be Flash's arch-nemesis and finds out his true identity, but also sees him as a kindred spirit and almost like a brother:
To be honest, Venom #22 featuring the final battle between Venom and Jack was an amazing culmination of their feud, and would be a pretty beautiful ending to a film, as Flash turns away from the darkness and into the light, and embraces being a real hero.
I really wish I could find those amazing final pages between Venom and Jack online, but it's one of the best moments in comics in the last few years that I read.
Badlucktroll
Member
I think it it might be a remote possibility that Sony could cast Daniel Craig as Carnage. Have you guys seen the Jacket? He would make a good Cleetus Kassidy.
Itchy//Tasty
Member
I think this is an excellent angle to go for.
(Edit) also all of NotTheGuyYouKill's post.
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
The Amazing Spider-Man was a good start, however it was The Amazing Spider-Man 2 that nuked that brand.
I felt that movie was slept on. I liked it.I think it it might be a remote possibility that Sony could cast Daniel Craig as Carnage. Have you guys seen the Jacket? He would make a good Cleetus Kassidy.
Venom The Complete Collection (Vol 1 and 2) by Rick Remender
Most of them suck.
Venom by Remender is the best one.
Daniel Way's Venom is another recommendation if you're into nonsensical trainwrecks.
gutter_trash
Banned
Early Venom stories consisted of the formula.
-Concoct a cleaver prison break
-Tease Peter by befriending Peter's encourage.
-Peter accepts Eddie's challenge to an off-site fight.
-Peter finds a way to defeat the Symbiote part of Brock, wins.
-Concoct a cleaver prison break
-Tease Peter by befriending Peter's encourage.
-Peter accepts Eddie's challenge to an off-site fight.
-Peter finds a way to defeat the Symbiote part of Brock, wins.
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JeremyEtcetera
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Agent Venom would be the better choice, but I just don't trust current day Sony Pictures with such a strong concept, even if they do have a good director and Hardy behind it.
Really, a good director? Fleischer is solid at best. While Zombieland worked that "30 Minutes" film was a total misstep and Gangster Squad was a straight up disaster.
It's no wonder he's been jobbing in TV doing stuff like directing the pilot of that Drew Barrymore Netflix show since then.
I'm also not sure how he's going to keep Hardy in check given that he has a reputation for being 'difficult'.
