30k? I think that's way too generous. The game will receive no actual marketing and is going to have to rely solely on critical support and word of mouth.
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TorrentFreak's List of Most Pirated Games in 2011
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30k? I think that's way too generous. The game will receive no actual marketing and is going to have to rely solely on critical support and word of mouth.
DangerousDave
Member
But the game, without any kind of marketing, already got 1 million downloads...
People like that always make me laugh. It's greedy that it requires an add-on that improves the game? Are console manufacturers greedy in that controllers are required to play games?
People like that always make me laugh. It's greedy that it requires an add-on that improves the game? Are console manufacturers greedy in that controllers are required to play games?
I think it's funnier that he was pissed off because he couldn't play his pirated copy and thus called Nintendo greedy. Like they owe anything to him.
I came in here to post this. I wonder how many people pirated it in ANTICIPATION of the sales?
Surely a lot.charlequin
Banned
That prediction is completely absurd. Don't do that Nintendo die-on-my-own-cross thing. It will do well more than 10k.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Fjolle
Member
CDproject used idiotmath to calculate it.
Though I doubt that torrentfreak are any more accurate.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I feel the same way about CoD. It's just bizarre to me. Do people play online on pirated servers? Cheating is bad enough on the legit servers.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
What's this talk about 10k for Xenoblade?
Even EBA and Eternal Darkness sold more than 100k, 150k minimum IMO.
Even EBA and Eternal Darkness sold more than 100k, 150k minimum IMO.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Because that product costed money?
Mr. Enigma
Member
But they didn't steal it. They downloaded illegal copies.
Downloading a pirated copy of something doesn't equal a lost sale if they were never going to buy it in the first place. Not defending any of these practices, but it's thought processes like these that allow SOPA to get so close to law.
I've bought a sandwich. Can i steal another one, then?
No, but you could, if some day technology permits, materialize another copy into your stomach. ...Or something.
Don't use shit analogies.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Nothing, because the main ones aren't operated in the U.S.
The U.S. government could block access to them, however.
Nothing. Worry about what it does to legitimate sites, as those can't just tell their users how to bypass a DNS filter.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
SOPA is another thing of discussion which I know has mixed opinions. I just want to know who or why that's happening? I don't know the entire scope of it but if it's because pirates, hackers, wrong doers, and others then it just makes make have that "this is why we can't have nice things" kind of reaction.
A.Romero
Member
Wow those Crysis 2 numbers
Some people actually pirated before buying to check how it would run on their systems.
Also, some people just wanted to max out their machines.
No. If you steal a sandwich, no one else can buy that sandwich, so the seller has lost out. If you pirate a game, they only person you could prevent from still buying that game is yourself, so if you already bought it, the seller hasn't lost anything.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yes it does.
You just took a $60 product for $0.
This is not rocket science here.
Intent does not matter.
While downloading the game (or movie, or music, or anything) you're sharing what you've downloaded, ie. you help other people download it. So even if you own the legit product but still download it using p2p networks, you're still on the evil side.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Downloading a copy does not make a Steam key magically disappear or a boxed copy at Best Buy magically disappear off the shelf. People need to understand this. Gabe Newell has been saying this for years.
DangerousDave
Member
Well, Crysis 2 has a PC demo that you can download from EA servers much faster than from any torrent.
Also, the people that download pirated games that they already have (you only need the crack), or to test it (yes, is only to test it, I'll put a clock and I'll stop playing after 30 minutes, I'll promise) should be a minority.
Used-game sales are worse than piracy because they actually are a lost sale to the publisher and developer.
With pirates, a lost sale can not be guaranteed.
To be on-topic, I'm actually surprised at the lists. I'm curious as to what the PS3 numbers are though, because that became available.
With pirates, a lost sale can not be guaranteed.
To be on-topic, I'm actually surprised at the lists. I'm curious as to what the PS3 numbers are though, because that became available.
Early contender for worst analogy of 2012.
How do you know that everyone who torrented Crysis 2 would have bought it? If you would have the chance to get a low-end car for free (through legal means) would you take it? Why, yes you would. Would you have bought that particular car? Probably not.
Do you think if piracy suddenly vanished it would go POOF and there would be 4 million Crysis 2 copies sold?
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
No it's not, because revenue from used sales goes to pre-orders for new sales. It's the circle of life. Piracy contributes nothing to nobody unless the rum drinkers break down and buy the real thing.
cooljeanius
Member
Going to go pre-order the NA version of Xenoblade now to do my part to make up for all those pirated copies.
Edit: Proof that I just did:
Edit: Proof that I just did:
Nintendo email said:
Yeah, I meant to call out on that but never got a response together. 10k seems more the territory of unhyped niche handheld games, like what Aksys, Xseed, and Atlus have put out. I imagine at worst we'll see numbers like Rayman Origins pulled in its first month, doing 50k, but if it were only going to do 10k we would either have not seen Operation Rainfall or it would have momentum similar to calls to have something like Growlanser localized.
No, because that stolen sandwich would be the sequel. Besides, in the case of PC games you can easily argue you bought a KEY to use that game, and if you use your key on that torrented download then it's more like redownloading off Steam. The analogy might work though if someone, say, bought a game on consoles then pirated the PC version, because you were only paid for that console version and effort went into making two or more different versions, much like putting the effort into two sandwiches that are identical.
If make sex with a clone of someone's wife, is it cheating?
It was multiplayer only. And it was a very limited period download that only was available for a few weeks. It also didn't include all of the graphical settings.
what a terrible analogy/comparison. Plain and simple, you're taken something that isn't yours to be taken in the first place.
This. In fact, the developers should probably be thanking these guys for increasing their sales because they no doubt helped boost awareness and spread word of these games to their friends.
Not to mention all the "try before you buyers" who rushed down to the store to purchase Crysis 2 after making sure it ran on their rig.
cartman414
Member
Wow. Sure showed Nintendo.
charlequin
Banned
The vast majority of even the unhyped niche handheld games Aksys, XSeed, and Atlus put out do well over 10k, actually. The games we talk about bombing completely on the PSP do more than 10k. It is a prediction completely unmoored from reality.
Not for the wife, at least.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I highly doubt you have any idea what Gabe Newell was saying.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Well, since you're determined to be a pretentious, ignorant douche instead of actually debating, I'll cease discussion with you.
Diprosalic
Banned
i heard the same excuse from some guy on gbatemp who said nintendo was greedy because they put a copy protection in pokemon. the sad thing was that many agreed.
I highly doubt you actually can prove that every copy pirated equals a lost sale because it's just not true.
What if I take a $60 product for $55 by buying a used copy from GameStop?
Then GameStop is hurting the company I guess lol